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| | Post New Topic | | The New US Dollar Coin | Views: 116 | | Oct 13, 2009 7:38 pm | | The New US Dollar Coin | # | 
Denis Gibbon | | In the past all US currency was inscripted "IN GOD WE TRUST".
The new US Dollar Coin does not carry this inscription and as a result there is a move afoot to boycott the coin.
Can a nation that permits serious sin proclaim that it trusts in God?
Absolutely not.
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Private Reply to Denis Gibbon | | Oct 13, 2009 8:58 pm | | re: The New US Dollar Coin | # | 
Ron Sam | | That is absolutely false Denis.
It is an internet hoax from 2007.
If you ever want to see if anything is a hoax or con-job just use those words in a search of the subject.
If you did, you might have come up with this link:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_dollar_coin.htm
Ron
Private Reply to Ron Sam | | Oct 13, 2009 9:17 pm | | re: re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Denis Gibbon | | Thanks Ron,
I took a look at the site you referenced and found that its status was "Partly True". I still don't know what part of the story is true.
Nevertheless, I still make a point. My point is very simple.
The USA have no right to use this inscription on any new currency. It would be blasphemous for them to do so.
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Private Reply to Denis Gibbon | | Oct 13, 2009 9:44 pm | | The New US Dollar Coin | # | 
Mike Fesler | | No offence Dennis,
But blasphemy is about number 10 on the list of many that the present regime has and is going to commit with the chosen one (the messiah) leading all down the path to hell itself.
The dollar?
Will only be a token down payment on the tax for the hand basket that the USA will be riding in on its way down.
Change you voted for.
Enjoy.
Please see:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
M.
Private Reply to Mike Fesler | | Oct 14, 2009 1:18 am | | re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Ron Sam | | Denis,
Didn't know that was how you felt about our national motto.
Perhaps the following link will help with a better understanding.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm
Ron
Private Reply to Ron Sam | | Oct 18, 2009 12:46 am | | re: re: The New US Dollar Coin | # | 
Ernie Martin | | Everything goes here in US and especially in Sin City.:-)). There is a saying here: Money, sex & rock & roll!
Eventhough "In god we Trust" is printed on the money, nobody talks about god when exchanging the almighty dollar, with the exception of Sunday ministers pleading for the almighty dollars in the baskets.:-)).
Peace,
Ernie Martin
Private Reply to Ernie Martin | | Nov 21, 2009 8:04 am | | re: The New US Dollar Coin | # | 
Peter Boaz Jones | | The only blasphemy worth of eternal death is the denial of God’s Spirit once having received it and then denying it.
It would be great if everybody thought about God and gave thanks in their hearts when exchanging the dollar or any currency for that matter.
“The universal regard for money is the one hopeful fact in our civilization. Money is the most important thing in the world. It represents health, strength, honour, generosity and beauty. Not the least of its virtues is that it destroys base people as certainly as it fortifies and dignifies noble people.” - John D. Rockefeller
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Private Reply to Peter Boaz Jones | | Nov 30, 2009 11:58 pm | | re: re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Ron Sam | | Legal understanding:
"It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."
ref:
"Aronow v. United States," 432 F.2d 242 (1970) in the United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit
Private Reply to Ron Sam | | Dec 01, 2009 6:52 am | | re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Peter Boaz Jones | |
Yes, but as soon as God comes into the equation then by default religion - people's beliefs, values and opinions concerning the existence, nature, worship, and practices relating to the Divine. and involvement in the universe and human life, come into play.
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Private Reply to Peter Boaz Jones | | Dec 01, 2009 3:01 pm | | re: re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Ron Sam | | Yes Peter,
But Not when "legalities" are part of the definition of the motto on coins. In a US court of law, 'God equation' would not hold when there are former court cases overturning that belief. A precedence has already been set according to law.
Ron
Private Reply to Ron Sam | | Dec 02, 2009 11:16 am | | re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Peter Boaz Jones | |
True Ron. But, “coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion”. Nevertheless, law cannot stop people's beliefs, values and opinions concerning the existence, nature, worship, and practices relating to the Divine. and involvement in the universe and human life,
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Private Reply to Peter Boaz Jones | | Dec 02, 2009 5:33 pm | | re: re: The New US Dollar Coin | # |
Ron Sam | | Gamblers in Las Vegas, for instance, worship money as legal tender. I hardly believe they connect to God in any instance.
When the minister counts the offerings from the church collection plate, I doubt he will even recount the motto, "In God We Trust", but will pay more attention to the accounting details.
Most people are practical and although your are right that the law cannot stop people from belief's, it's rather rare if that happens with coins exchanged in a transaction. The practical aspect of it might be; exact change, getting cheated, not enough money, etc.
I doubt it if Atheist prohibit exchange of money because it contains a motto they do not believe in.
In fact some feel that the motto should not appear on US coins and this is what Theodore Roosevelt said:
"My own feeling in the matter is due to my very firm conviction that to put such a motto on coins, or to use it in any kindred manner, not only does no good but does positive harm, and is in effect irreverence, which comes dangerously close to sacrilege...It is a motto which it is indeed well to have inscribed on our great national monuments, in our temples of justice, in our legislative halls, and in building such as those at West Point and Annapolis -- in short, wherever it will tend to arouse and inspire a lofty emotion in those who look thereon. But it seems to me eminently unwise to cheapen such a motto by use on coins, just as it would be to cheapen it by use on postage stamps, or in advertisements."
But,
Is the motto constitutional?
The "In God we Trust" motto promotes theistic religion at the expense of non theistic religion and a secular lifestyle. It promotes the belief in a single, male deity which is followed by the main Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam; however, it is foreign to the beliefs of many other religions: Buddhists do not believe in a personal deity; Zoroastrians and Wiccans believe in two deities; Hindus believe in many. It would seem to violate the principle of separation of church and state. Many Agnostics, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans, other Neopagans, and others are offended by the motto. However, the religious motto has been challenged by three lawsuits and has been found to be constitutional. The courts basically found that the motto does not endorse religion.
Federal bill signed into law:
A bill to reaffirm "In God We Trust" as the national motto, and the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was passed with a 99% vote in the House, and unanimously in the Senate. Rep. Todd Akin, (R-MO) voted for the measure. Apparently he is unaware that the "Under God" phrase is a relatively recent addition to the Pledge. He said: "I think the Congress was expressing the fact that they support the recitation of the pledge as it has always been supported. I think they're further saying that there isn't any problem with the First Amendment." Historian David Barton, president of WallBuilders, said: "This bill has no effect on the 'Under God' controversies, because we have seen in a number of cases that when Congress does something, the Supreme Court almost feels compelled to tell them to back off and leave them alone.
ron
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