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Oct 29, 2006 10:18 pmFTP#

LaTease Rikard
Does anyone know how I can upload my newsletter (saved as a PDF file) and do a mass mailing to my subscribers. I created the newsletter in Pro Publisher, and it really looks great, but I don't know how to publish it....plz help.

LaTease Rikard

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Oct 29, 2006 10:31 pmre: FTP#

Guess Who
If you have an email list, you can use aweber to blast them all.



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Oct 29, 2006 10:45 pmre: re: FTP#

LaTease Rikard
I have a list, thanks for replying, but what is aweber? and do I have to buy it?

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Oct 29, 2006 11:11 pmre: FTP#

Guess Who
It is used for newletters and such. It's about 20 bucks a month and worth every cent.

http://www.aweber.com/?215641

Doug Ragan: It's called a Decision -- Now Make One!!
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Dear Employee, Your Job Sucks!
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Oct 30, 2006 1:24 amre: FTP#

Reg Charie
How do you mass mail now LaTease?

You can upload your PDF file to your website and put a link to it in your newsletter.

I would also publish the newsletter to your website as HTML and give an option to download it as a PDF.
Unless it is to be printed I see no need for a PDF file.

You can also publish the newsletter in HTML format but this is not recommended for a couple of reasons.
One is that as a long document it has more of a chance to trigger spam filters than a short message with a link.

The second is that by adding the newsletter to your site in html you are adding valuable content to your site.

Reg

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Oct 30, 2006 2:40 amre: re: FTP#

AB (Ashish Belagali)
I second Reg's suggestion. It's usually a good idea to include a web link to the pdf in your newsletter instead of finding ways to attach the newsletter. Your email will be readable to every recipient, will be a quick download, and the users will have a choice of downloading your pdf.

Hope this helps,

/Ashish
--
Ashish Belagali,
Acism Software Pvt Ltd, Pune, India
Ph +91 20 25454409
http://www.acism.com

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Oct 30, 2006 4:54 amre: re: FTP#

LaTease Rikard
How do you mass mail now LaTease? Using Bravenet.com

You can upload your PDF file to your website and put a link to it in your newsletter. ----Ahhh.//this is where I am stuck. How do I upload it to my website and create the link....this is exactly what I want to do!

LaTease

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Oct 30, 2006 4:02 pmre: re: FTP#

>> Barry Caplan - Start Your Future Today
> One is that as a long document it has more of a chance to trigger spam filters than a short message with a link.


Actually, longer documents are *less* likely to trigger spam filters, because spams are generally pretty short, and the algorithms account for that implicitly and explicitly as needed.

See much 24 MB spam? I didn't think so :)

Best,

Barry

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Oct 30, 2006 5:37 pmre: re: re: FTP#

Reg Charie

Hi Barry,

>>Actually, longer documents are *less* likely to trigger spam filters, because spams are generally pretty short, and the algorithms account for that implicitly and explicitly as needed.

Is this your opinion or can you point me to some documentation to back this up?

Spam filters look for unique words or combinations of words so the longer the message the more likely it is to contain those triggers.
In an article on spam filters Paul Graham (http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html) wrote:
"It discovered, of course, that terms like "virtumundo" and "teens" were good indicators of spam. But it also discovered that "per" and "FL" and "ff0000" are good indicators of spam. In fact, "ff0000" (html for bright red) turns out to be as good an indicator of spam as any pornographic term."

In his paper "Introduction to Latent Semantic Analysis" (http://lsa.colorado.edu/papers/dp1.LSAintro.pdf) he shows how text can be evaluated on the basis of words or word pairs which confirms the supposition that the longer the message the more likely to get caught by the filter.

Programs like Spam Blocker analyze the messages for spam content.
Aldo's Spam Cleaner states it uses an innovative filter of allowed and banned keywords, phrases, users or domains.
AOL's spam filter instructions say :"You also can banish all messages containing clickable hyperlinks and any messages containing certain words that you list."

In each of these cases the longer the email the more likely it will contain spam triggers.

>>See much 24 MB spam? I didn't think so :)

Actually the newsletter is only 24mb in it's PDF format, which can only be sent as an attachment and not imbedded in the body of the email.
If this file were converted to HTML or straight text for the emailed newsletter then it would be much smaller.

 

Reg

 

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Oct 30, 2006 6:09 pmre: re: re: re: FTP#

>> Barry Caplan - Start Your Future Today
> s this your opinion or can you point me to some documentation to back this up?


I could and I will, but not right this minute as I am busy right now. Send me a PM with the specific evidence you need to be persuaded, and if it makes sense, I will print it out and put it on my to-do pile.

> Spam filters look for unique words or combinations of words so the longer the message the more likely it is to contain those triggers.

Some but not all spam filters do that.

But have you ever actually configured those? Even spamassasin, which I think you will agree falls into that category, has (IIRC) rules to ignore longer messages (you can set the size).

Why?

Because a long message might trip enough rules, but still not be spam. In fact, a long message is more likely to be ham, not spam.

> In an article on spam filters Paul Graham (http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html) wrote:

[snip]

What does that have to do with length of a message?

> hows how text can be evaluated on the basis of words or word pairs which confirms the supposition that the longer the message the more likely to get caught by the filter.

yet you are missing the other side of the coin.

It is not the mere presence of those indicators that define spam.

A messge could contain all indicators and still not be spam.

Like I said, look at the spam you get, or your server flags as spam. Map the size of all the messages to the number of times that size occurs. You will find that beyond a certain size, no messages are spam no matter how many rules they trip.

Don't argue, just check it on your server or any other you have access to.

Check databases of spam and do the same test too if you want. Don't take my word for it.

> In each of these cases the longer the email the more likely it will contain spam triggers.

That doesn't make the messages spam - it only means they are being falsely labeled spam.

The obvious fiorst cut way to not falsely label long messages as spam is to simply say long emssages are never spam. And you'd be right if you pick the right cutoff.

> >>See much 24 MB spam? I didn't think so :)

>Actually the newsletter is only 24mb in it's PDF format, which can only be sent as an attachment and not imbedded in the body of the email.

Really? Not embedded in the body of the email? Where is it then? In the headers?

Hint: Look up how messages are MIME-encoded in mail very carefully before taking yourself down tot he mat on this one unnecessarily. I am giving you a chnce to drop it :)

> If this file were converted to HTML or straight text for the emailed newsletter then it would be much smaller.

I haven't seen the file, so I am not aware of how much of the PDF is formatting and how much is content. Content would essentially be duplicated wither way. Formatting, esp. in HTML, well, I don't know how much less it would take for the same author to code it. Do you?

Best,

Barry

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