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Economic Depression 2009?Views: 159
Mar 14, 2009 2:03 pm re: re: re: re: re: Economic Depression 2009?

John Stephen Veitch
Hello Lamar

I really do find your posts confusing. You keep mixing up some really good ideas that I agree with, with philosophical, political and religious values that I believe distract us from understanding what we really need to do.

For instance the United Nations.
We have really serious International issues to solve that can NEVER be solved at a national level of debate. I have said that there is no choice but the MAKE a form of World Government that works. I'm very serious about that.

I agree entirely that the UN is a joke, compared with what we need to do. Nation states the USA in particular has made a point of making SURE that the UN is weak and ineffective and incapable of strong action that the USA might disapprove of.

You don't need to tell me that innovation drives an economy. I've run an innovation network on Ryze for 5 years. Innovation comes from the most unlikely places, not only from the ground up, but especially from the outside to the inside. The most common innovations are small and incremental and are continuously evolving. Disruptive innovations always happen in places where they are not supposed to happen, they are unplanned and most often misunderstood, both by the innovator and by the first users.

The next paragraph is all mixed up. In my view both capitalist and communists want to control the market. In fact the prime intention in making a business grow is to be the market leader (= controller). Free markets only exist in the warped minds of economists. The entitlement mindset also exists everywhere it can get established. People like to feel that they are entitled to ........ ( an easy ride, a free lunch if you like.)

I'm surprised Lamar to see you claim to support capitalism and free markets and then immediately look to the world for "support" for the USA or for California.

The USA has been and still is the worlds largest nation economy, and California is the eighth largest economy in the world if it's treated as a nation state. So crying poor is a nonsense.

You do in fact have the answer.
"So, what works? People learning to lead responsible lives on their own."

So in the Depression of 2009 we should do that. I think I do have some answers and previously I've posted links to them.

John Stephen Veitch
Open Future Limited - http://www.openfuture.biz/
Innovation Network - http://veech-network.ryze.com/
Building an Open Future - http://openfuture-network.ryze.com/

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