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| Dec 03, 2009 5:00 am |
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re: re: re: re: re: 35 Inconvenient Truths > Green Copenhagen has limits |
John Stephen Veitch
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Dr. Albert A. Bartlett's presentation on "Arithmetic, Population, and Energy."
This is a long presentation. Bartlett proposes that population IS the problem. He's assuming of course that Americans want to live like Americans are used to living.
There is an option that Americans might live like the people of India or Brazil or course and then maybe population is less of a problem. Do you want to choose?
Not choosing is a choice. That's the choice already being made. DO NOTHING, take no responsibility, and that's fine, nature will decide for you, is already deciding for you. Population growth will stop, and if there are too many people the population will decline.
In Part Two of the video, Bartlett explains the arithmetic of population growth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb3JI8F9LQQ
In Part Three he explains what happens when we have growth on a finite environment. In the beginning, nothing seems to be happening. Then there is noticeable change, and suddenly there's a catastrophe. And it's only simple arithmetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFyOw9IgtjY&feature=related
I'm thinking we are seeing exactly that now with ice cap melting and increases in sea temperatures. We are told it takes hundreds of years to warm the sea, but sea temperature rises of 5 degrees are reported in Queensland, in the Pacific Islands, in Greenland and in Japan.
One of the scientists Ron Sam referred us to said that CO2 increases FOLLOWED temperature rises on earth. His theory was, the sun raised the temperature, this enabled more plant growth and that increased the CO2 levels and this process took 800 YEARS. CO2 follows increases in temperature with a LAG of 800 years. That's NOT what we are now seeing.
So we do know some things.
We know that world population growth will stop.
We know that if we don't stop it ourselves some other force will choose a way to force stoppage upon us.
Personally I'm in favour of taking responsibility and finding ways to stop population growth ourselves.
Innovation, that's what we need.
Now to the environment. If we choose to look after the environment, we are rich in ways that money can't measure. If I live in a rich environment I don't need much cash income to live. If I live in a depleted environment, I may be able to buy "life" or even to live in luxury, but my future cannot be assured. The economy exists INSIDE the environmental envelop not outside or beyond it.
Environmental protection sustains the economy. But if we ignore that idea, we continue to destroy forests and rivers and fisheries and air quality, and if our activities contribute to global warming, at some stage the things we need to keep the money going around no longer exist at affordable prices.
What happens then? The GNP starts to fall, and keeps falling, probably for a long time. Once again, if we CHOOSE to take control we are much better placed to deal with this problem. If we wait until the issue is forced upon us, it will be much worse.
Thomas thinks that individuals can protect themselves. Thomas, in our civilization we've invented politics as a way of debating ideas and making collective decisions. We thought we had something called democracy to ensure that the will of the people would be listened too. In the USA at least that's gone. In Europe and Scandinavia and in New Zealand, the will of the people still means something. Our politicians are frightened of the ballot box. So here in NZ, while we too have conservative politicians in power, who would rather do nothing, that's not an option for our government, and they know it.
I'm trying to protect myself. This nation is trying to protect itself. I'm sure Australians will eventually come to their senses and take the same decision.
So what about the USA?
John Stephen Veitch; The Network Ambassador
Open Future Limited - http://www.openfuture.co.nz/
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