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| And Thus She Arrived | Views: 499 |
| Mar 23, 2009 6:53 pm | | And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | This girl is most affordable from local population who are used to going by autorickshaws.But will she take on her rivals from countries eastern to India?
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| Mar 23, 2009 7:00 pm | | re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Charles Pradeep | | Well, It's a 1 lac car..... 1 lac to buy and 1 lac to maintain thereafter (PA)...
TATA Engineering - 'Yes'; TATA Reliability - 'No'
Cheers!
CPPrivate Reply to Charles Pradeep |
| Mar 23, 2009 7:10 pm | | re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Senthil Nathan | | @CP
Even Maruthi is very costly for maintenance but is it not much sought after.
Tata Indica though had its flaws had a lions share in sales. Taa Sumo though technically a failure made a big impact in the market.
Yes, BMW and Ford are technically sound and more road safe, but not purse safe.
It requires lot of guts, to come out with that 1 lakh car and making the dream of million Indian come true. If this becomes a succes both technically and in the market then this will be the biggest success of Tata in recent times with the kind of odds it had come against. The Dollar - Rupee equation, the Singur issue and last the recession and the pink slips for the IT employees.
Have read a lot about Nano and its worth that 1 lakhs which we pay, but not like a BMW or a Ford. Tata being named for its sturdiness hope it wouldnt have compromised on the road safety.Private Reply to Senthil Nathan |
| Mar 23, 2009 9:03 pm | | re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | with just a 43 mph it is almost a car for local driving and not suited for long drives. And one does not know how far and how much will the speed be if there are 4 adult passengers.
Manual steering, No airbags and no aircondition makes it a modern Auto rickshaw than a car is my POV. Probably safer than an auto and is a good example of what an auto on vogue should be.
Not just Rajini(SPB) but anyone who buys this car can now sing,
nA autokAran , autokAran
song.Private Reply to Ganesh Ram |
| Mar 24, 2009 12:45 am | | re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
SOEB FATEHI | | remove the doors and airconditioner and offer it at 70000 if it is an autoricksha Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI |
| Mar 24, 2009 12:54 am | | re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | Nano is just a beginning!We have all seen a E class Benz driven by diriver with only a single person sitting at the back.
Imagine the amount of fuel burnt ,just because he can afford it.I am not here to preach anything,but common sense tells me to go by autorickshaw - glorified auto rickshaw -Nano!You can run 10 nano at the cost of running one Merc!
It takes lot of guts and single minded devotion to go into a project like this and come out successfully!
TATA philosphy is any day appreciated for their sincerity and they are by far a coporate who practice what they preach.
Agreed the indica came with lot of technical glitches in the beginning ,but now it is a more established car,so is SUV sumo-grande,etc,in their segment.But Indica (coined from India car )is now more refined and the first totally designed indian made car.
When many of the car making giants have recalled many products and proved themselves to be more human in committing errors ,why not a tata do the same to give a better - cost effective product.
Nano is stripped of many of the so called 'jigginna' extras is more functional!!
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| Mar 24, 2009 12:58 am | | re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | We can now sing "Nano Nano,careaa thanaa mella mella mari nenaa!!
peple who had to trek a couple of kms to walk to a bus stand and wait for 2 hrs to get a bus that breaks down halfway know the value of auto.
Ofcourse so also we know the autokaaran at central and would go by bus confortably!!!
So coin has two sides!!!!Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
| Mar 24, 2009 2:43 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Kanchana Ravichandran | | This 1 lac+ is only for the first 1 lac customers. Mr. Tata has clearly stated that its an inaugural offer and prices will change after they reach the 1 lac sales.
30,000 centres all over the country for the sale of 1 lac cars. Nano is now in everyone's mouth and heart and everyone wants to book a Nano - naanum neeyuma??? :)Private Reply to Kanchana Ravichandran |
| Mar 24, 2009 6:12 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Sekar Narasimhamurthy | |
By the time the first one lakh customers are served, it will be one or two years atleast.
Hence how can this price be maintained?
By the way how many from CNK Family are booking Nano?
Cheers
N Sekar
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| Mar 24, 2009 9:48 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Lavanya Karalkar | | Me? No No.. Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar |
| Mar 24, 2009 10:06 am | | re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Senthil Nathan | | Why should you by anyway LK(G) go for the smallest when you have all the big......at your disposal Private Reply to Senthil Nathan |
| Mar 24, 2009 10:12 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | A power steering is not a jigmmA. It is a necessity. An airbag is not jigmA it is necessity.
From its construction steel and plastic molds attached with adhesive it will not be that difficult to take the doors away.
Probably the futt futt of New Delhi can be replaced with these. MMhhmmmmm that carries more people that what Nano couild do.
THe argument that instead of one benz we can have 10 nanos for saving the environment is like saying I will have 10 miller light instead of one miller straight. Thus the environment equation does not play a role at all.
oh and I am not against TATA , I am just wondering how a car like this can be touted as a model car when it lacks the safety features, and power steering.
On the positive side, the Autos can be off the road paving way to Nano, Not because it is environment friendly but because it is affordable. The other point is this could streamline our road traffic. It is bigger than Auto and therefore no more weaving crisscross on the streets of India by the autos.
Wasn't the Nano supposed to use compressed air technology from the french F1 car maker?Private Reply to Ganesh Ram |
| Mar 24, 2009 10:47 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Senthil Nathan | | @Mr.GR
The power steering and the safety air bags can be fitted even by yourself outside and I strongly believe they themselves will be happy to do it for you on request at extra cost. They have given something what they can afford to make at that low price.
For that matter most of the Indian cars dont have safety air bags, but only safety belts. And most of the Indian small cars provides models without the Power steering.
Iam neither advocating Tata Nano, but I really want to appreciate this effort when none of the World's Auto giants is ready to dream of one such one.
These are the features as given in Today's advertisement,
Mileage - 23.6KMPL
Emission - Bharat III compliant (http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/in/nonroad.php)
Exceeds Safety Standards
Incredible Spacious Interiors for 4
Top speed of 105KMPH
Smallest turning Radius 4m
High Groud Clearance of 180mm
High Gradability of 30%
Power Windows
Central Locking
Fog lamps
What else do we expect?
I wish to support indigenous productions and research and so will support this effort. Iam a Be Indian and Buy Indian guy, though Globalisation has dilute this to certain level. Private Reply to Senthil Nathan |
| Mar 24, 2009 11:01 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | SF(Jr),
the image from BBC does not show power windows ( which I think is not a necessity) and 105 km as top speed.
One can always add extras. All I am saying is it is a a futuristic autorickshaw with what is seen in that picture.
Safety concerns are a must. IF there is no airbags there is no safety. And putting an airbag system will increase the weight of the car if I am correct. Same with power steering.
I am all for indigenous product development. I am also for "available for common man" fundas. But it is these that make me ask for where are the safety features ?Private Reply to Ganesh Ram |
| Mar 24, 2009 12:02 pm | | And Thus She Arrived | # |
Basab Ghosh | | Yes, Nanos can be a good alternative to Autos, provided you are OK with the BO in the closed confines. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh |
| Mar 24, 2009 2:05 pm | | re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Senthil Nathan | | @Mr.GR
Air bags are not part of most of Indian cars for that matter even not part of Maruthi family. Though the passenger safety should be of high importance, safety bags is still considered as a part of expensive cars in India
An w.r.t power steering since the turning radius is as small as 4mt. radius power steering shouldnt be a constraint is my POV.Private Reply to Senthil Nathan |
| Mar 24, 2009 4:40 pm | | re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Muralidharan Bashyam | | Firstly as an Indian i welcome this car by Tata which is expected by the entire world. Well sound effort by Tata.
This Nano arrived in a wrong time. It should have been arrived in sep 2008.
Thanks to our Bengal Female tiger Mamta Banarjee who shown a desperate effort to stop commissioning of car factory.
Then the recession or the illusion of recession which can delay in buying this tata.
But i am shocked to watch the schedule given by Tata group which they put Reliance to next in conjuring people money.
They have planned to manufacture the Tata Nano with OPM. Other people money.
Only 3000 cars can be produced in a month but the public is ready minimum atleast few lakhs. The ordered cars can hit the roads only during July, So this OPM really helpful for Tata would ease their investment and they could less the investment. I always admire Tata products but this car really they make a gambling. I can recollect Reliance shares which before 1 year and Reliance mobile dealership in 2002 many people invested 10000 to get dealership of Reliance mobile phone.
lets pray atleast the purpose of Nano come true.Private Reply to Muralidharan Bashyam |
| Mar 24, 2009 4:52 pm | | re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Charles Pradeep | | MB sir -
You are right in a way, coz' Tata's are bleeding due to the Jaguar & Land Rover (JLR) deal and they are in the red to the tune of $ 1.5 billion.
NoNo has given them a good platform for a free rider with Opium (OPM)... free funding with the booking amounts! A calculated gamble indeed!!
Tata's are playing the 'Russian Roulette' with the NoNo...
My instinct ses they will prevail... After all the are a good company with a great pedigree...
NoNo's gain could spell the 'Rickshawwallah's' loss!!
Cheers!
CP
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| Mar 24, 2009 5:02 pm | | re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Muralidharan Bashyam | | Yes i too agree they are a good company both in papers and in reality.
But the way the MBAs and Financial consultants utilized their brain to function of Tata Nano project is ugly that too with people's money
There is new trend in this recession period. Sending all the middle level employees with pink slip and filling one Managerial executive with huge salary perks.Private Reply to Muralidharan Bashyam |
| Mar 25, 2009 8:35 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | All safety features comes at a price(enormus)!! If you can afford it yes ,have it by all means .
"The biggest safety feature is a calm driver at the wheel of any car"
I have driven motor bikes for the last 25 years and I find invariably you escape from many accidents by calm & careful driving.The term defensive driving was thus coined by some fool to make us realize the art of careful driving.
One benz cannot carry all the people in the world the common man is served by more futtfutty!! or share auto!or more so by our humble Maruti 800.
Please note this a chairman of a big group of companies (5000 crores) used to drive to office in Maruti 800 for nearly 10years and also give his managers a two/three year old second hand Maruti 800 because he felt it would serve their purpose!!!
It is essential that we keep environment in mind as the car of future needs to use some form of renewable source of energy just to draw better mileage from hydro carbon fuel.The hybrid technology of future will use all forms of fuel just wait & see.The cost factor is a stumbling block now and also the powerful automobile lobby which will pitch for only IC engines.
Are you not aware how many times a Benz car mowed down innocent people in madras highway and many accidents are because of rash driving of BENZ/BMW / and all jigeenaa safety featured cars guaranteed to kill the innocent people on the road rather than person(s) in side the car.
It is a indisputable fact that many of the luxury cars are fuel guzzelers!!period!!!
I have also reead about a toilet(closet) made in solid gold(worth crores) in Honkong "fit for royalty" in news paper and in conclusion the article says what you do in it has nothing royal about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh! I have added some crap there!!!!!!!!
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| Mar 25, 2009 10:37 am | | And Thus She Arrived | # |
Basab Ghosh | | //"The biggest safety feature is a calm driver at the wheel of any car"//
..... and a sane driver in the oncoming one....
ECR can bear many witnesses to people dying in crashes which were the making of the oncoming bus or truck!
That apart, only a calm driver does not suffice, he/she must know the rules of using the road and not create a nuisance of him / herself to the traffic following.
Many times I have seen calm drivers driving either on the right hand lane or worse, on the middle of the road at 30KmPH, thus preventing anyone from overtaking, oblivious of all the trffic he / she has bottled up behind him/her. These sort of calm drivers should be deprived of their licence to drive!Private Reply to Basab Ghosh |
| Mar 25, 2009 11:26 am | | re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | BGji,
//"The biggest safety feature is a calm driver at the wheel of any car"//
I meant a calm driver who can drive at correct speed ,take evasive action ,dodge the traffic to drive ahead clearly , stop the vehicle by slowing down first and who knows the art of defensive driving .
"If anyone hoggs the road in the middle/right side driving at 10km per hour will potentially kill many other drivers due to elevated BP/heart attack first than due to any accident".
This kind of drivers are insane and not calm ones but those with paralyzed mind.
If in ECR any driver comes drunk and drives rashly to jump the median will kill many people then it is not he fault of the good driver.Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
| Mar 25, 2009 11:38 am | | re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Charles Pradeep | | For a calm driver, anyone driving faster than him is a maniac and any person driving slower, "does not know" how to drive!
Cheers!
CP
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| Mar 25, 2009 11:49 am | | re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | CP
If I had two/three large shots of old monk inside me then I drive at 60-80km calmly and anybody overtakes me at 120km is a calmer driver!!!I am not able to see (with blurred vision)anybody thundering in a Merc-Benz at 180km per hour!!!
cheersPrivate Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
| Mar 25, 2009 12:01 pm | | re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Charles Pradeep | | C'mon - We are talking 'NoNo' here - Even a rickshaw wallah or a scooter rider is going to look like a rash driver...
I am just wondering how the traffic on the road is going to 'look and feel' a couple of years down the line...
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| Mar 25, 2009 12:15 pm | | And Thus She Arrived | # |
Basab Ghosh | | In Delhi, might is right. Trucks, blue lines, DTC buses, TATA 407s (or equivalent), Sumo/Qualis/Innova/Scorpio, big cars, small cars, autos, two wheelers.... this is the pecking order in the right of way.
In Chennai, it is the buses / trucks and then the meter taxis and autos!Private Reply to Basab Ghosh |
| Mar 25, 2009 12:23 pm | | re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ravi Padmanabhan (padmania@gmail.com) | | Hi Ryzers,
A lot has been discussed on their upfront payment here.
This is how it works. In order to become an owner of the celebrated car, the company is asking for a huge upfront payment and hence, if one takes into account all the three versions, a prospective owner will have to shell as much as Rs 1 lakh for his name to appear on the bookings list. The company intends to sell 1 lakh cars initially and even if we assume a ratio of 4:1 between the potential buyers and eventual owners, the total amount works out to a cool US$ 800 m. This is the amount that will remain with the company until the dispatches start in the month of July, after which it may have to return the money to unsuccessful applicants. Furthermore, if these people wish to wait and take delivery at a later date, the company will keep the deposits and pay the applicants close to 9% per annum on their down payment. In hard times such as these, even the blue chips could well give their arms and legs to raise money at such attractive rates. Small the Nano may be, but Tata Motors has indeed pulled out a very big rabbit out of the hat.
-PaddyPrivate Reply to Ravi Padmanabhan (padmania@gmail.com) |
| Mar 25, 2009 3:59 pm | | re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Muralidharan Bashyam | | Paddy
i would say its from Tata with Reliance strategy.
Arch rivals meet here.
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| Mar 25, 2009 8:33 pm | | re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
stranger | | Maintenance will pose a big problem for most of our people.
And what about the traffic situation in our Chennai and other cities.. and the status of roads in Chennai's outskirts and other places?Private Reply to stranger |
| Mar 26, 2009 10:21 am | | re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | And like starnger said, traffic is going to be the other problem.
If we do take the glorified auto route(pron. RAUvoot over here, have to be sure when I say this word at my office) then, it is not worth having this car at all in my opinion.
First of all, it gives more or less the same efficiency of an auto or a little more.
here are some points.
1. It CANNOT run on kerosene, out autos can.
2. our autos are small and can maneuver snuggly in traffic than NaNO
3. why are we public shunning to own an auto but are ready to own a NaNOPrivate Reply to Ganesh Ram |
| Mar 26, 2009 1:54 pm | | re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | GR,
Autos are designed to run on petrol/diesel/lpg/lng and not on kerosene.
It is the local auto fellows who adulterate petrol with kerosene for cost cutting.The regular engine will get damaged if you put kerosene in petrol engine and huge black smoke will emanate from tail pipe with resultant pollution.
Autos can manoeuvre very dangerously and are prone to toppling if sudden brake is applied !!I am a victim of a overturned auto myself and I was lucky to escape with minor damage.
I still like autos if driven carefully and reasonable rates are charged.
"Nano" may be a glorified stylish auto (with fully covered roof) and in the evolution of cars you will see many cars looked like auto only in the beginning!
I only appreciate TATA for venturing into Car making and giving established foreign players a run for their money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
| Mar 26, 2009 3:59 pm | | re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ravi Padmanabhan (padmania@gmail.com) | | Hi Ryzers,
Maybe this news info will really suprise you.
We indeed live in a strange world. While Tata Motors has tried to put car ownership within the reach of millions of Indians, an altogether different company belonging to the Murugappa group is making an effort to wean away people from cars by offering them a bicycle. And this is no ordinary bicycle. As per a leading daily, each cycle is a good 3-5 kgs lighter than the ones available in the market and has been handcrafted and fitted with tubeless tyres and cutting edge technologies in shock absorbers and gears. Already surprised? Well, the most surprising part is yet to come. And it lies in the bicycle’s price. The company has priced the most premium model, hold your breath, at a whopping Rs 2 lakh. Nearly twice the price of Tata Nano! And just as Tata Motors is confident that the Nano will sell like hot cakes, even this company is quite bullish on the prospects of its products. After all, it reckons that the market for such bicycles is growing at a rate of 25% annually. Indeed, when one is talking of a total market size of just 7,000 units, a growth of 25% does look like a small number.
-PaddyPrivate Reply to Ravi Padmanabhan (padmania@gmail.com) |
| Mar 27, 2009 2:59 am | | re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | padmania,
The Rs 2.5 lakh cycle is for bicycling lovers and not for the common man,for whom a Rs 3.5k ordinary cycle with gears is more than sufficient.Infact we have silently forgotten the art of cycling which was non-polluting,renewable source of energy (us),the engine(all of us cycling) became strong & energetic with regular use,maintenance is negligible & last the roads could take more of them easily without endangering lives of pedestrians.
Imagine if we reduce the number of luxury cars driving to work with only driver and the owner sitting in one corner,just how much of fuel we can save.
The future lies in cars driving with renewable energy sources only and if the fossil fuel disappears fast it will come as ablesing only as the IC engine auto lobby would be forced to look at this option .Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
| Mar 27, 2009 9:58 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | TATA weren't supposed to build the car to run on compressed air? Private Reply to Ganesh Ram |
| Mar 27, 2009 11:56 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | Cars to human beings we all drive with compressed air !!!!!!!!!!!!!God must have made turocharging at creation stage itself!
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Hoh! hoh! Hoh!
Hee! Hee! Hee! Hee!Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
| Mar 28, 2009 2:23 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
Ganesh Ram | | kakkotti siripArgaL
oorAr siripArgaL
of course the promise of TATA NaNo when they first advertised was like ,
Tata Nano
sroll down and find compressed air engine . Private Reply to Ganesh Ram |
| Mar 28, 2009 3:31 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: And Thus She Arrived | # |
padmanabhan ramasubban | | GR,
Dont get offended !
I turbocharging is required then it will get done by TATA or all of us!
I am just turbo charging humor!Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban |
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