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"Strong Poltical Systems" - Two Party Systems.Views: 573
Feb 28, 2009 3:42 am"Strong Poltical Systems" - Two Party Systems.#

John Stephen Veitch
It is my belief that the two party system of the USA has become a curse to the society. The two parties have become captured by the need for funding which comes from the business community. So politics in the USA, has become hopelessly biased in favour of the needs of business and the interests of the rich. This lack of balance has become progressively entrenched in the last 30 Years.

On Common Dreams a writer said what many believe; "The Republicans and the Democrats are two wings of the same bird."

Prof. David Michael Green, wrote an article about the two party system here:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/27-0

Green can't see beyond the two party system either. He thinks the Republicans have failed, and he thinks Obama has done remarkably well. But he can't decide if the two party bird is still flying in the same direction or not. Perhaps hints that the direction is changing mean something. In Green's mind the next election will still be between two parties called Republicans and Democrats. I hope he's wrong about that.

The two party system is entrenched by the voting system, first past the post or winner takes all. It's a very primitive voting system. It's one virtue is that is usually gives a "strong" result, and the "majority rule", even in fact if the majority of the seats only represent 30% of a divided vote as is often the case. The two party system can deliver, two parties both going the same way, which is what tends to be the case in the USA. (And that also happened here in NZ.) Or it can give you two parties that run in entirely opposite directions. So you get violent flip flops of policy when governments change. Both are undesirable.

Proportional voting systems give an entirely different result. There are many more parties elected. Politicians have to negotiate with each other, to get policy implemented. There is much more real debate in public, and in closed political circles. It's harder to "do things" but the things that do get done are better thought out, and less likely to be overturned by any incoming new government. I think the USA needs a proportional voting system, but both the Republicans and the Democrats oppose that, because it would upset the "two party club" that they currently run. During the depression perhaps an opportunity to change the voting system will occur.

Personally I've argued in several places on Ryze, that the 2009 Depression has killed the Republican Party. Once the American people know how much damage they did, it will be impossible for Republicans to get elected. But Dave Bronstein on Common Dreams makes a good case against me. He writes:

"DaveBronstein February 27th, 2009 11:43 am
“...Clearly, Barack Obama is no progressive panacea. Last week I ripped many of his policies and staffing choices as Cheneyesque...”
• It’s nice that DMG is at least partly aware of his own bipolar disorder. Last week was “Democrats are Hopeless!” week. Today it’s back to “But Wait – Republicans are Even Worse!”
“Understanding and critiquing Republican barbarism is the easy part.” The most devastating lampooning of Republicans imaginable still wouldn’t change certain basic truths about Democrats. These disagreeable truths include:
1) The Democrats themselves do not want to (and will never try to) send the Republicans to the dustbin of history, Whig-fashion. On the contrary, the Democrats insist on permanent rule by the two-party system. In other words, even if the continued existence of the R’s was in serious jeopardy, the D’s themselves would ride to their rescue. The D’s can exist only under conditions where the R’s are the only alternative.
2) No matter how barbarous Republicans are – Rove, Palin, Bush, Jindal ad infinitem – there will ALWAYS be a prominent place for them in the framework of American capitalism, because they directly represent the interests of the plutocracy. It’s true that they may sometimes go through periods of diminished popularity, & may lose elections. But they will NEVER be banished from their status as one of the two major parties. Even after the events of the last 8 years, it’s altogether possible that Republicans could retake the reins of power, in 4 or 8 years. And the Democrats would meekly retreat to their usual position as capitalism’s B Team, acting subservient to Republicans, as the latter continued their filthy tricks & traditional raping of the country.
3) Democrats are not “opponents” of Republicans. They are two pistons in the same engine. They are siblings joined at the hip. They need each other. They serve the same class interests, though one does it directly, while the other does it indirectly. Both are instruments of the plutocracy – one proudly and unapologetically so; the other, sheepishly and meekly so."

So what are you thinking?

John Stephen Veitch
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Mar 12, 2009 6:30 amre: "Strong Poltical Systems" - Two Party Systems.#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

John,

What am I thinking? I am thinking you should read the writing of Star Parker, a black woman who has lived on both sides of the tracks. This woman has wisdom beyond her years. Check it out and see what you think.

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Why Christians Must Be Politically Active

We are in a crisis because the wrong people have been making the wrong decisions for too many years Christians face an ongoing paradox regarding engagement in political life in our country.

Christian Man, so to speak, sees the world through different eyes than Political Man. Christian Man sees the world through a lens of responsibility. Political Man, or if you will, Secular Man, sees the world through a lens of rights. Because of these very different attitudes about how to approach life, Christians have a natural inclination to not see politics of central importance to their lives and, as result, to not be engaged.

Christians see the quality of their lives as a natural outcome of their relationship with God and how they assume the responsibilities that He asks of them. This then reflects on how they manage their relationships with their families, business colleagues and customers, neighbors, and communities. Political, or Secular, Man sees the quality of life as a political outcome. They see their life and property as secure not because of admonitions to not kill and not steal, but because they believe these are rights and that government will protect them.

Over the years, political/secular consciousness has, sadly, advanced in our country(USA) and increasing numbers of Americans believe that our prosperity and our success reflect political decisions rather than religious/moral decisions.

We can see the results of this tangibly just by taking a look at the growth of government. The more materialistic Americans have become in their attitudes, the more they believe that what is most important is their rights rather than their responsibilities, the more we have turned our lives over to government control and solutions.

A hundred years ago, government - federal and local - took less than ten percent of our income. Today, it is more than one third. If things continue on their current path, by mid-century it will be one half.

Why should Christians care? We need to care because the pretense that life is a political rather than a religious/moral challenge and problem amounts to a departure from the Truth. And a departure from Truth must inevitably lead to failure.

We’re already seeing it. The government programs, all designed in the last century to “solve” our problems for health care and retirement, are failing. I’m talking about Social Security and Medicare.

Our public schools that are educating the majority of America’s children have been increasingly secularized and politicized and the quality of education that these children are getting is dropping. Public education in our urban areas is in severe crisis. Children, largely black and Latino, coming from communities and families that have been broken by the welfare state, another major symptom of the secularization of the country, get little education in these schools, and at least half never graduate. The result is a growing American underclass that is becoming locked in a cycle of poverty and crime from which there is less and less hope of exit.

The paradox facing Christians that I mentioned in my opening is that, because Christians naturally relate to life through personal responsibility rather than politics, they are more inclined to not be politically active and engaged. On the other hand, secular Americans, for whom life is all politics, are more likely to be active and engaged. The result is that secular Americans have had a disproportionate impact on our country over recent years.

It is imperative that Christians look outward into our public spaces and get involved in the political process. By this I mean more than just registering and voting. Christians must actively scrutinize public policy in the country and inject our values into what America is doing. Christians must take back America. The political greatness of our country is that it is free. But it is up to citizens to decide what to do with that freedom.

We are in a crisis because the wrong people have been making the wrong decisions for too many years. As result, the very freedom that permitted all this is being eroded, and erosion of our prosperity will soon follow. Christians need to step up and get our values for the preservation of life, for the protection of family, and for personal responsibility rather than political materialism, to define again the fabric of America. This will restore American greatness and get us back on the path for which we are destined.

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I think Star Parker is on target here. I would simply add that I think America is going to need more than its own resources to solve its financial problems. It is going to need help from other countries around the world - including New Zealand.

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Mar 22, 2009 9:04 amre: re: "Strong Poltical Systems" - Two Party Systems.#

John Stephen Veitch
Star Parker, wrote about "Why Christians Must Be Politically Active".

She was writing for a Christian audience, and much of what she says is biased by the expectation that here audience would agree with her.

This bias has helped her to disregard the facts: so there is little that she says that I agree with except the following quotes.

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"Over the years, political/secular consciousness has, sadly, advanced in our country(USA)"

Of course, following the rest of the Western world, (Eastern world too actually) as Lloyd Geering said about Europe and NZ and Canada; "Christendom is no more." Those who remain in traditional churches can't maintain the property nor in the modern context do their rituals and beliefs make any sense. Those in the New Life churches has in fact chosen "old life" to follow church belief and doctrine that modern Christian thinkers abandoned 100 years ago, and was discredited by theologians 150 years before that. So the New Life Churches have no real future.

"On the other hand, secular Americans, for whom life is all politics, are more likely to be active and engaged. The result is that secular Americans have had a disproportionate impact on our country over recent years."

I think that BOTH Christian Americans and secular Americans are disengaged from American politics. There are very good reasons for that. American politics is not responsive to public needs. The vote is a con-job, politics is rigged, and both parties are actively engaged in playing the rigging game. It's a pretence of a democracy. You can see that by Obama's complete inability to deal with the financial crisis in any other way but to PAY OFF the sorto of people who put up the money for his election.

(Had John McCain been elected, he would be doing almost exactly the same thing. The both suffer by being owned by the same paymaster.)

"The political greatness of our country is that it is free. But it is up to citizens to decide what to do with that freedom."

Well YES, that's an enlightened statement. But since it's not true, there's the problem.

"We are in a crisis because the wrong people have been making the wrong decisions for too many years."

100% right, but you get what you pay for. And the system allows big money to buy the representatives and to determine policy, shutting out the public. The public vote counts for almost nothing.

"A hundred years ago, government - federal and local - took less than ten percent of our income. Today, it is more than one third. If things continue on their current path, by mid-century it will be one half."

Yes that's true. And in future the government is going to take even more than 50% of the richest Americans. Wealth has to be redistributed or the lack of equity will tear America apart. In addition the massive "national debt" now being created has to be got rid of in some way. There are two possible ways.
1) Increased taxes. Actually increased taxes is more fair and desirable.
2) Inflation. Inflation looks painless, but it really means your hard earned money from the past is worthless in the future. The rich and those with savings and investments lose most, the incentive to invest gets twisted to look for tax breaks or capital gains relief. This is undesirable but almost certainly will be the main way to solve the problem.

(People may have paper profits in worthless dollars. It's a mirage.)

John Stephen Veitch
Open Future Limited - http://www.openfuture.biz/
Innovation Network - http://veech-network.ryze.com/
Building an Open Future - http://openfuture-network.ryze.com/

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