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Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar APIViews: 1636
Aug 09, 2009 12:55 amAttn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

If you are looking for a FREE API (Application Programming Interface) from which to create wonderful online calendar functions, check out 30 Boxes. I am certainly no programmer. However, I have found a way to incorporate the services of 30 Boxes so a local restaurant no longer needs to issue discount coupons. If I can do this without programming skill, imagine what can be accomplished by those who actually have the skill.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 09, 2009 1:31 amre: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
and here is a free set of scripts that allow you to have it on your website.

http://www.php-calendar.com/

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Aug 09, 2009 3:29 amre: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

Your link says it is a "simple web calendar." Does that mean it contacts the user via email when an event the user has posted in it shows up or some time before?

One of the main features of 30 Boxes is not simply that it is an online calendar, but that it is programmed to contact the user via an email message before or when an event is listed on the calendar. 30 Boxes is also designed to allow for "buddy" access. Numerous people can be allowed to view the same calendar and post to it. I have not implemented the 30 Boxes "buddy" system. But, for all I know, that may mean that one calendar actually sends out notices to numerous people. Come to think of it, that's the way most online networks work. But, this same feature is now being done by an online calendar. I think that is amazing. But then, I am easily impressed.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 09, 2009 12:58 pmre: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
Have not played with it enough, but since it is open source you can add that. Joomla's Jdate and Jevent both have that feature.

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Aug 09, 2009 4:29 pmre: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Are Jdate and Jevent Javascript? The reason I ask is because some online sites actually screen out that language. Once again, I understand that is a good reason for a person to use their own domain. But, let's face it, some folks get tired of constantly having to re-invent the wheel every time they want to do something.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 09, 2009 4:47 pmre: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
They may use soem Javascript for display purpsoes, but they are Joomla Components.

I do not use other sites to meet my needs. Build it and control it.

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Aug 09, 2009 6:59 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Reg Charie
I agree with Scott.
Build your own system.. You have lots of free software to work with..
http://www.roseindia.net/opensource/open-source-calendar.shtml

http://www.google.ca/search?q=open+source+calendars&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___CA328&client=firefox-a



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Aug 09, 2009 11:38 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Russ Howard
I'll add my voice to back up Scott and Reg.
There are too many free components out there that you can customize. Do it yourself. Do it right.

Russ Howard
Eagle Computer Technologies, Inc. - Fort Worth, Texas
http://www.eaglecomputertechnologies.com

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Aug 10, 2009 5:08 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

As it now stands, a person goes to my Squidoo site and clicks an email link. That means the person do not have access to an online form, but must provide the requested information in an ordinary email to the restaurant. What I could do is provide a link from the Squidoo site to a page on my domain name. That page could take Javascript and just about anything I suppose. What I need to understand is how to send the content from my domain page directly into the 30 Boxes Calendar for a specific date.

For example, you have a textbox for a name. You have radio buttons for Birthday, Anniversary or Other. You have a drop-down menu for the month and day. You have a textbox for the email address. Then, you have a Submit button.

Let's say I were to fill this form out for myself - Lamar Morgan, 11-14, Birthday, lamar@mchsi.com. Now, when the Submit button is pushed, all that data goes into the 30 Boxes Calendar for Nov. 14th. But, Ting's has got the 30 Boxes Calendar set up to contact the restaurant a month early. So, on October 14th, Tings is notified that my birthday happens on the 14th of the following month. Ting sees who I am, what the event in question is (my birthday) and how to get in touch with me via email - all in that calendar communication. How do I write the code so that all the information goes into the Nov. 14th calendar space? The reason for wanting to do that is so that Ting's does not have to input data into the 30 Boxes Calendar. Instead, the data goes right from the form on the website to the calendar. I do not believe folks are going to have a problem going from the Squidoo site to the web page to the calendar. The one thing I cannot do is eliminate the Squidoo site. That site has already established a reputation for itself. It even has fans.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 10, 2009 12:16 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
Nothimg to do with Javascript. You use form tags and a type of Post, that submits the data to 30 boxes. That is the API.

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Aug 10, 2009 2:59 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

What you are telling me is that sending content to a specific page in a 30 Boxes Calendar is no big deal. Is it simply an HTML code form? If Squidoo will not for some reason allow it, I should be able to link from my Squidoo lens to a page in my web domain and make the magic happen. I have "Creating Web Pages for Dummies." It's an all-in-one desk reference. It's nine books in one.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 10, 2009 3:07 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar#

Scott Wolpow
You create the form using HTML and send it to 30 boxes. Now they may require you to use a token or another sort of manner to id your account and provide security. That may require you to have a 'hidden file' somewhere. It all depends on the APU used.

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Aug 10, 2009 3:59 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar#

Russ Jackman
Lamar,

I guess my question is why would you insist on a hosted "free" service, especially for a client? How easy is it for you to backup all of your customer submitted data from 30Boxes? What happens if 30Boxes goes out of business, or decides to charge $29.95 a month (for example) for commercial use of their system?

At the moment they are looking at an ad-supported revenue model, but their developer page is quite clear that the service is intended for non-commercial use. What is your "Plan B" if they decide to shut down your account for commercial use of their services in a year? It doesn't sound likely at this point from reading their forums, but when you have no control over.

There are three possible paths for this company: They maintain the status quo, enjoying a small revenue stream from ads and offering free, non-commercial calendar service; they go out of business, in which case you (and your client) are starting back at square one, only this time your credibility with the end user (restaurant customers) has been damaged; or, they expand and/or are bought out, in which case investors will be looking for a return on their money through increased advertising on the site (invasive) or user fees for commercial use.

Even a paid service does not guarantee access to that service in the future. Having the code residing on your own hosting account, especially with the open source alternatives available, insures that your client will have access to this service for as long as they want.

For personal use, it's not a big deal if you have a reminder for Aunt Millie's birthday on a convenient service like 30Boxes, because if you lose the data or access to the service it's just a mild inconvenience; if you lose the data for a business, it damages your credibility and the credibility of your customer in the eyes of the end user.

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Aug 10, 2009 4:42 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Heidi Caswell
Which is more important to your client, to have birthday wishes and a coupon go out to their clients automatically triggered by their birthdate or/and anniversary, thus building a data base of loyal clients? or something that is done online at no cost?

How about a system where they fill in their info from an online lead capture page which builds into a database they control, downloadable, and real cards and postcards can be sent automatically celebrating special occasions, and much more along with subscribing to the business's aweber list. Thus best of both worlds, online newsletter and direct mail. Clients data can also be added manually from those who fill out a card at the place of business. That way you catch both those who prefer online and offline, cards/coupons in the mail, email newsletters. Cost? yes.

Heidi Caswell
http://connectsimply.com

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Aug 10, 2009 4:52 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE#

Scott Wolpow
The only reason I can see to use these tools is the zero skill requirement. AS long as it servers your purpose and you are willing to have your data used for any purpose beyound your control, then go fo it.

ie Ebay as of 8/31/2009 will assume that any image you place on their site is free for them to use as they please. You have to go into preferances to say no thanks.


BTW they are setting themselves up for massive copyright suits, as negative affirmation is illegal in NY and other states. You can only positively assign rights.

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Aug 10, 2009 5:03 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Heidi,

The goal here is to provide the discount to the public without the expense of postage, ink and paper. The restaurant want to fill up its premises with people. It is willing to provide a 15% discount on its food for a full house. But, it does not want to do this for everyone, automatically any time they happen to feel the urge. No, they want to do it for "special occasions" - like birthdays and anniversaries.

The restaurant learned through actual experience that coupons directly mailed to the public work better than coupons printed in the newspaper or magazine. Perhaps, because you are physically GIVEN a coupon that is printed on card stock, as opposed to paper, you are more inclined to use it. I am not sure about that, but I feel that could have something to do with it. A card stock coupon should hold up better than a paper coupon. But, how neat not to need coupons at all and still be able to provide the same benefits?

Thanks to Squidoo and 30 Boxes, there is a way this can be accomplished. The Squidoo site simply tells folks where to send their content information via email. This would include the person's name, date of the event, and email address. When the restaurant receives the email, it simply uploads that information into the appropriate calendar date in its 30 Boxes account. Now, a month before that event arrives, 30 Boxes notifies the restaurant. The restaurant then contacts the customer for details on scheduling the special discounted event. This is an automated process that can work from one year to the next. The only thing that would make it more efficient as far as I can tell is to remove the one step of the restaurant having to input customer content. And, if I can figure out how to write the code to make that happen, I plan to do exactly that.

Think about it. How many restaurants do you know would gladly do away with coupons if they actually had a system that could provide the same benefit without the need of postage, paper and ink?

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 10, 2009 5:27 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Russ,

As always, thank you for your insight. You have uncovered the "can of worms" I did not see...again. Yes, there needs to be a back-up should the 30 Boxes service disappear. Coincidentally, by having the customers send an email to the restaurant - as opposed to a form that goes directly to 30 Boxes - we do automatically have a back-up system. Each email gets manually placed into a file folder for safe keeping. So, unless the desktop computer crashes and there is no backup of the hard drive, we should not lose the customer data.

However, the non-commercial use requirement you brought to my attention could be a serious problem. I need to look at the TOS and inquire about that matter to 30 Boxes. This coupon-less initiative could be used as great publicity for 30 Boxes. I am more than willing to give 30 Boxes great publicity for this in exchange to be able to afford to do it.

The public wants to tell Ting's Thai Kitchen when their special events are taking place. Ting's Thai Kitchen wants to place that information in a calendar. Now, the restaurant could easily do this using Windows Calendar on their desktop. 30 Boxes is not needed for simply putting information into a calendar. The benefit of doing this via 30 Boxes is that the 30 Boxes Calendar can actually inform the restaurant a month in advance so the restaurant has time to make special arrangements with its public.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 10, 2009 5:29 pmAttn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE#

Scott Wolpow
Lamar,
I am working with a dozen restaurants. They still find paper coupons teh most effective, until you get to fine dining, then no coupons period.

I still do nto know why they could not own a domain, have a simple email form [with captcha] thats ends the email teh same way. This way they OWN it.
Or to save time have the data written to a database.

Here is a page full of links with free scripts.



http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=6&oq=php+reg&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS245US246&q=php+registration+script

I offer hosting at 9.95 per month that would be all they need. Reg I think offers something cheaper.
If they can not afford, $10 per year for teeh domain and $120.00 per year for hosting, then tehy need to close their doors.

BTW where will Ting's enter the data and how willit remind them each year?

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Aug 10, 2009 5:31 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A F#

Heidi Caswell
As a customer I prefer to have the coupons sent to me than have to print them myself. What you are doing is shifting the paper/print cost to the client. Either works for me because I'm online. But they would lose clients who only check their email once in a blue moon if at all, who don't have printers, etc. So learn more about their clients, do they check email regularly, do they twitter, etc. I'm guessing most all have mailing addresses which is why such works for them. Best to learn how their clients prefer to receive information.

I'm with Russ on owning the information/data base, very important, thus my suggestion.

Another thing I've seen done in more metro areas where a business (club, food establishment, whatever) sends out a twitter message to their followers special discounts, they just show the message, give the code whatever. Example, you are getting off work, wondering what to do for dinner and a twitter message comes in with a discount for that night only (because it is a slow night for them) at a favorite restaurant. Or a message that a certain group is performing that night at a club. I've even seen discount airline tickets on twitter to fill up planes last minute. Doesn't work if the business has no twitter followers, there is also a subscribe to text message thing out there.

Not what is most convenient or cheapest for the business, but what is best for their customers. Do that research. How do the customers want to receive information. Usually using more than one method of contact works best as it reaches more than one group of people.

Do things in order, what is best for customer, then find a convenient way for the business to provide for their clients, collecting that contact information.

Heidi Caswell
http://connectsimply.com

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Aug 10, 2009 5:33 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A F#

Russ Howard
Lamar,
I don't think anyone is trying to "down" the "neatness" factor of 30 boxes.

I think what we are saying is wouldn't your client rather have control over their information and how it is used? customer lists and the like? Wouldn't they rather have the safety of knowing their data will not completely vanish at a moments notice?

While 30 Boxes is fine for reminders of Aunt Mabel's birthday or mom and dad's anniversary, they are risking their business if either 30 Boxes goes under or they change their business model or they get upset that you are using the service for commercial application.

The only way to be sure that 30 Boxes won't sell their information or that their information won't disappear is for them to host things themselves.

And when you use a title like "Attn: Professional Programmers", be assured, we will comment. lol

Russ Howard
Eagle Computer Technologies, Inc. - Fort Worth, Texas
http://www.eaglecomputertechnologies.com

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Aug 10, 2009 6:02 pmre: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Russ Jackman
Lamar,

There numerous calendar programs that will provide an advance reminder or a list of upcoming events ... think of any doctor's office, hair stylist, etc. that contacts the client/patient to remind them of an appointment. Even if it's not "automated", you simply look ahead 30 days and start contacting customers.

And, a pre-printed coupon will do much better than an email. What are you going to pay more attention to - a "Happy Birthday" message on your Facebook wall, an e-card, or a good, old-fashioned card in the mail that someone took the time and effort to sign or personalize?

Yes there is a cost for printing and postage, but time is money too. The bottom line is return on investment, and a small additional investment should make a dramatic impact on the bottom line. Rise above the noise and email inbox clutter, and make the customer feel you actually did something nice in recognition of their birthday, anniversary, etc.

I would also move away from the 15% offer, and find a more compelling offer. Give away something for free, perhaps a dessert, a special birthday food item, etc. without any strings or minimum purchase. Yes, you will have some people coming in for their freebie and leaving, but the ones that stick around and enjoy a meal with their spouse or family should make up for it. You can also appear to offer more value to the end customer, i.e. a 15% discount on a $40 meal is $6. Considering the food cost for the restaurant is probably give or take 25-30%, they could offer a "free $10 dessert" that would only cost them $3.

When I used to own a weekly magazine in Toronto, we did a lot of coupons for clients (I also did some work for a coupon-focused publication as well in my past). The better the offer, the better the response. And while a "free, no string attached" may scare the advertiser at first, experience has shown that those campaigns can be much more profitable than just another 15-20% off coupon that their customers are already inundated with every day.

My suggestion: Come up with a $10 food item, print up coupons with an image of gift wrapping and a bow on the front (in color, of course) and the offer of the $10 gift food item on the back. If Ting's is hesitant, suggest they try 25 "15"% off coupons and 25 "free $10 item" coupons and compare the response and profitability.

Russ

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Aug 10, 2009 6:51 pmRe: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Teddy Towncrier


This is a done deal, Lamar. .... You have several capable suppliers before you.

Take one of them over to make a deal with Charlie and put this energy vampire to bed.

What you need to be thinking about is how you can turn every subscriber into 5 more. ... (and 10% is not exciting ..... 50% or FREE IS SEXY).

When you have the viral sorted; .... You can use a cabbage on a stick as a subscriber platform because the only thing that matters is third party validation in your viral process.

FWIW My preference is a PERL based process because I code to have my database emailed to me every night (Or several times each day). ... and I'm up and running in 10 minutes if some-one has a meltdown.


Bestest.


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Aug 10, 2009 6:58 pmre: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Scott Wolpow
There are many systems that can email you the DB each night or just the Diffs.

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Aug 10, 2009 7:30 pmRe: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Teddy Towncrier


I'm sure there are, Scott.

It was important to mention, though.

Data protection is key. .... Just didn't want some local Whiz-Kid walking in to Charlie after he's up and running and asking a bunch of tough questions which results in Lamar's precious reputation being trashed.

A few years ago; A beloved 150 year old Canadian retailer hit the wall and all assets were liquidated. ... While many of the assets were sold for pennies on the dollar; ... Their mailing list realized 103% of appraised value. ... More


Bestest.


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Aug 10, 2009 7:38 pmre: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Scott Wolpow
I use the following back-up.
1) Raid Three for disc failure
2) Nightly back-ups
3) three month legacy back
4) Site back-up

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Aug 10, 2009 7:52 pmre: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Russ Jackman
Since we're off topic ... does anyone have a good FTP/SFTP backup utility that can perform automated backups or syncs to/from multiple FTP accounts? And if it can backup multiple WinXP systems to NAS and/or FTP, that would be ideal ...

TIA,

Russ

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Aug 10, 2009 9:37 pmre: re: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Reg Charie
>>Since we're off topic ... does anyone have a good FTP/SFTP backup utility that can perform automated backups or syncs to/from multiple FTP accounts? And if it can backup multiple WinXP systems to NAS and/or FTP, that would be ideal ...

TIA,

Yes

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Aug 10, 2009 9:40 pmre: re: re: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Russ Jackman
LOL ... care to share?

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Aug 10, 2009 9:47 pmre: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE#

Reg Charie
Lamar,
Does the restaurant have MS Office and/or Outlook?

You can do the same with Outlook and probably a lot faster and easier than using 30 boxes.

Check out http://training-virtually.com/core/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4&Itemid=1 for an explanation.


The client keeps total control, all the details are stored on his computer, and never a worry about a 3rd party losing info.

A simple, secure, form on their own site would more than suffice for collecting information, and this can be easily designed using http://phpformgen.sourceforge.net/

Reg - NEW DEMO!! Turn photos into paintings http://FantasticMachines.com
All You Need is Dotcom-Productions and a Dream. http://dotcom-productions.com
0Grief http://0grief.com/special_hosting_accounts_for_my_ryze_friends.htm
CRELoaded websites http://RegCharie.com - SBTT http://thinktank-network.ryze.com

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Aug 10, 2009 9:48 pmre: re: re: re: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Scott Wolpow
Russ,
Pure XP environment?
I offer a number of paid choices. PM me.

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Aug 11, 2009 1:30 amre: re: re: re: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Reg Charie
OOps... Forgot to add the name of the program.

http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

I use cobian 8.

Reg

Reg - NEW DEMO!! Turn photos into paintings http://FantasticMachines.com
All You Need is Dotcom-Productions and a Dream. http://dotcom-productions.com
0Grief http://0grief.com/special_hosting_accounts_for_my_ryze_friends.htm
CRELoaded websites http://RegCharie.com - SBTT http://thinktank-network.ryze.com

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Aug 11, 2009 4:11 amre: re: re: re: re: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Russ Jackman
Thanks Reg ... *almost* exactly what I need (looking for more of a file sync than a security backup, so I can easily access synced or backed up files from a WinXP box acting as a file and print server on the network).

I may consider this to back up my systems and websites for the security aspect, though, and look more for a sync utility for the local network. I appreciate you pointing me towards this!

Russ

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Aug 11, 2009 4:43 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Russ Howard,

I greatly appreciate your comments. They bring important insight into the conversation. The whole idea here is to cut out unnecessary expenses - like ink, paper and time cutting coupons. If you can set up a system wherein the discount can be given and the customer database be enlarged moreso by the efforts of the audience and automation than by the restaurant itself, why not go for it. This is not about collecting email address to turn around and sell. If you think such a disclaimer is appropriate, I will provide one.

What this is about is using technological innovation to fill a little Mom and Pop restaurant up with people. When Scott Wolpott introduced me to "game theory," suddenly I started seeing it employed everywhere I went. It is even in the restaurant business. You would think that the restaurant and coffee shop business was really about FOOD. But, in many cases, it's not REALLY. Instead, it's about the VENUE. If you choose to improve your menu, but ignore your VENUE, you can lose customers. If you improve your venue, but leave the menu the same, you customer base is still likely to increase. It's not so much about the quality of the food you serve as it is about the atmosphere in which you serve it. If you have a restaurant that goes the second mile for its customers by providing FREE Wi-Fi you are likely to have more customers. If there is a banquet room with FREE Wi-Fi and a large HDTV screen, you are likely to have more banquets. Why? Because you have improved the venue. There are now more reasons to come to the restaurant.

Now, Heidi mentioned bringing Twitter into the mix. Excellent idea. You can place a Wi-Fi digital frame in the window of the restaurant and via an RSS feed announce daily specials to the public. There is a Twitter module on Ting's Squidoo site that automatically posts anything the restaurant sends out via Twitter.

What makes this whole idea so revolutionary for this area of Northern California is that a lot of restaurant use coupons and likely waste money doing it. Ting's admits to wasting money putting coupons in magazines. Well, if they can show the restaurant world out here that they can generate more money by not using coupons, other restaurants are likely to follow Ting's example. And, this will add to Ting's popularity. You see, Ting's will not only be bolstering itself. It will be bolstering it's community.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 11, 2009 5:14 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Her#

Russ Jackman
Lamar,

Russ wasn't referring to any privacy policy or disclaimer, he was referring to 30Boxes. When you use a hosted service like that, you are bound by *THEIR* PP and TOS, which is often written so that they can change it at any time. (From their site: "30 Boxes may change the TOU at any time in its sole discretion, so you should visit this page periodically to review these terms.") So, unless you visit their TOS page daily, they could decide to start marketing directly to your list without advance warning (again, who knows how likely this is, but you really need to pay very close attention to the PP/TOS of any "free" service before you endorse it to one of your clients.).

BTW, the terms also state as strictly prohibited: "The sale, trade, resale or *other exploitation for any unauthorized commercial purpose* (my emphasis) or transfer any 30 Boxes account"

In other words, neither YOU nor TING'S may want to spam, sell, or rent the customer's personal information, or use it for various demographic or marketing purposes, but 30Boxes might. Don't you think other companies would pay to know when your birthday is (Ting's may not end up being the only one sending a birthday discount!), your anniversary (possibly indicating your marital status), the kind of events you attend (so they can target ads that match those interests), and the people you associate with (again, providing more information on the kinds of activities your family and friends also enjoy).

Their current TOS (from a quick glance or a note in their FAQ, forget where I saw it) does allow them to "read" (automated system, not human) your calendar postings to better target ads to the users. Does this mean people using 30Boxes to sign up for Ting's coupon calendar be exposed to ads from other area restaurants? It's quite possible.

I'm not saying this is the case for 30Boxes, today or in the future. But if you use a "free" online service, often you're not only being exposed to a few harmless ads that support the site ... you are usually signing away your rights to your data (Google and Facebook are excellent examples). Always read the TOS and Privacy Policy very carefully, including their ability to change the TOS/PP at their will (i.e. Facebook, PayPal, etc.). Remember, your customers are trusting you (in this case, Ting's), and if the service goes under, has their database compromised, or changes their TOS to realize some value form their database (remember, "your" clients' data is not yours, it likely "belongs" to 30Boxes once entered into their system), it damages the reputation of Ting's, not 30Boxes.

Yet another in the long list of reasons to invest the small amount required to have your own scripts set up on your own hosting account.

The Original Russ ;)

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Aug 11, 2009 5:38 amre: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Russ Jackman,

Please understand this whole dynamic begins with the customer. It does not begin with the coupon. This is "game theory." It's not really about food. It's about venue.

Think of it this way. Do you care about your birthday, anniversary or another special event? Ting's Thai Kitchen cares. In fact, they care so much they invite you to tell them about those events RIGHT NOW, so they can put those events into a calendar. Then, Ting's will contact you when those special events get close so you and your friends can come and celebrate at Ting's. In fact, Ting's will give everyone in your party a 15% discount. Once the party is in the database, Ting's not only has them for this year, but next year as well...already. You do not have to constantly send Ting's an email to register for special events. If you know when your birthday or special annual events are to take place, you can register all of them will a single email. If 30 Boxes should go down, no problem. The back-up is a desktop calendar and file folder. It's not as much fun as 30 Boxes, but it works.

How did all this come about anyway? Well, I was in Ting's when a woman who sells coupon ad space for a local publication was leaving. The restaurant owner comes over to me and engages me in a conversation. He says the coupon ads in her publication don't work. But, he goes over to his cash register and grabs an envelope and brings it over to me. He opens the envelope and show me a huge stack of coupons. He then says, "These are direct-mail coupons. They work amazingly well." But then he says, "This is so redundant. I have to keep doing this over-and-over again to the same people. What I want to do is build a following." You see, the restaurant owner does not want to be known for his coupons. He wants to be known for his venue. He wants his restaurant to be seen as a destination - not simply a place to pick up food.

While we are talking another customer comes into the restaurant. He wants to do more than just order Thai cuisine. He wants to suggest the owner bring in more fish through a new wholesaler in Santa Rosa, 45 minutes away. Well, fresh fish will not keep for a long period of time in a restaurant. You get the fish in and you had better sell them as quick as you can. Otherwise, they are going to spoil and the restaurant has lost money. Well, on this very thread, Heidi gave the solution - use Twitter. Well, guess what? This can be done with a Wi-Fi digital frame in the window of Ting's. It can actually scroll an RSS feed announcement. The restaurant owner could make a Jott phone call and place his spoken words as text on Twitter and in his Twitter module on his Squidoo lens...as well as on that RSS feed.

Keep in mind, the news media is easy to get into here. Why? Because in many cases, there are no reporters. The newspapers rely on the public to send the news. That may be a big difference between living in a metropolitan area and one that is primarily rural (like Hidden Valley Lake, CA).

Bottom line, there are many different avenues through which to travel here - not just one. Also, I believe database management can provide better customer care than printed coupons.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
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Aug 11, 2009 5:43 amre: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Lindy Asimus
Lamar why all this when Tings can do exactly what they want and get their followers on Twitter and be done with it.

Post the offers there.


Very simple for the customers to get them if they want coupons.




Lindy

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Aug 11, 2009 6:16 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programmers -#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Russ,

I am not sure you can find a TOS that does not use your data in some fashion. Look here, this is from the Ryze TOS:

"RYZE shares your concerns about personal privacy. Through the Service, and through other contact with RYZE, RYZE may collect personal information and data including, but not limited to, application and web site usage data, viewing data, file transfer and e-mail data, and personal contact information such as e-mail addresses, mailing addresses and phone numbers. Additionally, RYZE's applications and web sites may use technological facilities for tagging and tracking including, but not limited to, Web cookies, login usernames and other technologies to track and correlate data."

How many people using this network only post content to their own domain? Answer: None. Obviously, if you only post content to your own domain, you wouldn't be a member of Ryze.

Listen, you have to be "where the eyes are." You cannot always bring the eyes to where you happen to reside. Come to think of it, isn't that why folks advertise in the newspaper, on the radio and TV? The fact individuals who chose to advertise there do not own that domain does not prevent them from paying to use it. Now, if they could do it for free, do you think they would first take a look at the TOS? And, if it said something similar to what the Ryze TOS states, do you think they would suddenly abstain from advertising?

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
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Aug 11, 2009 6:26 amAttn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Lindy,

Ting's has been using Twitter for some time. Yes, Ting's has a Twitter following...thanks in part to its Squidoo lens. There are actually numerous online tools which can assist in making this automation happen - including Jott, 30 Boxes, Outlook, Outlook Express and Intellect.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
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Aug 11, 2009 11:40 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Attn: Professional Programme#

Russ Jackman
Hi Lamar,

Absolutely, most sites have similar TOS ... which is why I would never suggest that a client use Ryze as the cornerstone of a marketing program. If you're going to invest time and reputation into an effort to connect with new and existing customers, make sure you're in control of it.

I don't understand why you need to involve 30Boxes, Squidoo and Twitter at all. Companies "built a following" long before the internet, and I honestly think you're confusing the technology with the desired result. It's not about gee-whiz technology, it's about bringing customers through the door for Ting's.

Yes, there is a "wow, all this stuff is free?" novelty to your plan, but it has a lot of moving parts and relies on too many services beyond your control. They can place their own message on the wifi frame, and don't need to use Twitter. Twitter is an auxiliary channel. What happens if Twitter is down from another DDoS attack while their fish delivery is spoiling in the back? Keep it simple - have a frame in the window? Upload a message directly to the frame.

Any why, oh why, would you suggest someone display a Twitter feed in the window of their business? Again, you have no control over what appears in that feed, unless you set up a Twitter account just for the frame, protect Tweets on that account and prevent any followers so it is strictly a one-way communication (which would be easier to just directly place a message on the frame) ... otherwise you risk negative or obscene replies also being displayed in their window.

"Where the eyes are"? What does that have to do with Squidoo, Twitter or 30Boxes? You've spent so many years telling us how backwards your community is when it comes to tech ... so I highly doubt that those three web services combined would reach as many eyes in your community as Ting's giving you a sandwich board to wear while walking up and down the street to announce a fresh-fish special for that day. Especially if they also give you a fish costume to attract attention.

And yes, I'm sure most smart marketers would be concerned about how their customer information will be used and pay close attention to a service's TOS, as the actions of any service they use reflects on their own reputation.


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Aug 11, 2009 12:43 pm: Attn: Professional Programme#

Scott Wolpow
A restaurant sells either entertainmnet or convienence.

I know exactly what will solve the Ting issue.
Loyality programs.
Buy an old pc [under $100], get a touch screen monitor and set it up by the counter. Let teh customers fill out heir data and Tings can print out a loyality card for them. Then they can get points or discounts etc.

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Aug 11, 2009 2:38 pmRe: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Teddy Towncrier


@Lamar ... He then says, "These are direct-mail coupons. They work amazingly well." But then he says, "This is so redundant. I have to keep doing this over-and-over again to the same people. What I want to do is build a following."

Yes! He certainly does have to keep doing this over-and-over again to the same people.

Notice how Billboards & Bus advertising are popular. .... Same message to same folks every day.

Each message pre-amplifies the next one and re-emphasizes the previous.

See: "Are 27 contacts really necessary to make the sale"?    Here

"Also, I believe database management can provide better customer care than printed coupons."

"I Believe"? ..... Believe my eye! ... The database can easily be worth much more than the underlying business!

Want to know how to massage your mailing list?   Study what Nordstrom, Columbia House and Readers Digest send you.


Bestest.


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Aug 11, 2009 2:39 pmre: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Listen to this:

1) You should not use Twitter because there may be another DOS attack.

2) You should not use Ryze, Squidoo, 30 Boxes or just about any online service (especially the FREE ones) because the TOS may collect data on the users.

3) The only thing you can do is collect data manually AT THE RESTAURANT.

That destroys the whole effort! You might as well go back to printing those expensive coupons and sending them out via direct mail. What happens when you do that? Yes, you get customers to come into the restaurant to get a discount on a meal. But, you do not build a relationship with them. So, every time you finish one coupon campaign you have to start over. This is like the little rodent in that spinning cage. It runs real hard in that cage, but it doesn't go anywhere.

The restaurant wants to be seen as a special venue for its community. That is why FREE Wi-Fi is offered there. The FREE Wi-Fi helps counter the bad cell phone service in the area. Once again, this is game theory in operation.

When people freely provide content via email to Ting's, that is a form of Web 2.0 innovation coming into play - at least from my perspective. But now, even Scott Wolpott, who lives in New York City, is telling me to set up an old PC INSIDE the restaurant. And, Russ Jackman is suggesting I dress up in a fish costume and walk around outside the restaurant to attract attention to it. Well, that might work in New York City or Toronto, but not in Mayberry RFD Land. There would not be enough people laughing in the parking lot to attract a crowd out here.

I feel like I have entered into a parallel universe where everything is upside down. All of a sudden, you should not use the Internet to bring people together. But then, why are you here reading this post? Just look at all the people who have bothered to comment thus far.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
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Aug 11, 2009 2:48 pmre: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Reg Charie
I like Scott's suggestion of loyalty cards.
Since Ting's owner likes direct mail but hates the necessity of setting it up over and over, why not suggest something like Send Out Cards in conjunction with this?

You could set up SOC to send targeted coupons and a list of specials on a regular basis. Set it and forget it.



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Aug 11, 2009 2:57 pmRe: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Teddy Towncrier


@Lindy Asimus. "Lamar why all this when Tings can do exactly what they want and get their followers on Twitter and be done with it. "

Fab idea for a complemental campaign, Lindy! .... Typical Tweet "Hot deal at Tings 50% off between 4-10 on Thursday. Coupon code 6789AB .. Please RT"

Sending that to 50,000 adoring followers would put a few bums on seats.

It works nicely for WholeFoods, Texas     and J.R. Cohen uses Twitter to double his Texas coffee shop business.   More

See "Using Twitter to market locally"     More

Remember to incorporate an effective viral component into the campaign.


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Aug 11, 2009 3:04 pmre: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Lindy Asimus
Teddy don't get too excited.

Nothing to see here, I don't think.


Lindy

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Aug 11, 2009 3:04 pmre: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Scott Wolpow
Who is Scott Wolpott?

The coupons are not expemsive if they work.

Sending an email to Tings is not Web 2.0. It is not even WEb 1.0 You may as well have them fill out a form.
That is why I suggested teh PC. They can fill out the form and it can go into the Database.
I am guessing you are avoiding the Database because you lack the skills and Tings lacks the budget.

What is your real motive to compell people to use teh Internet in a location where you have stated often, they do not use teh Internet?

Private Reply to Scott Wolpow

Aug 11, 2009 3:36 pmre: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Cale#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Teddy,

With regard to Twitter, "Yes, we can do that." Right now, in fact, every time Ting's posts a message to Twitter, that message also goes onto the Squidoo lens as well. Thanks to Jott.com, the restaurant owner does not even have to type the message. He can speak it by making a toll-free phone call to Jott.

However, the idea of using Send Out Cards, an MLM (for goodness sake) is totally out of the question so far as I am concerned. This is a printed announcement. This is just what I want Tings to get away from doing. This is like mailing coupons - only more expensive.

Listen, once the person is IN the database - be it on the desktop or 30 Boxes - why go to the expense to send a card if a simple email requesting a phone call to the restaurant will get the job done? We are not trying to impress people with birthday cards. The restaurant wants to focus on impressing its public with a birthday venue. While it would be possible to collect data at the restaurant - "Fill out this card and place it in the fish bowl" - I would also place a landing page link in press releases that go to the local media. I want to bring folks into the fold without them having to first come into the restaurant. Once people know how to find Ting's online, they can tell others how to find Ting's online. We want the mechanics of the third-party referral to kick in here, big-time. Seth Godin, the best-selling author of books about marketing, encourages small business folks to do something "remarkable." As he points out, that word remarkable means more than amazing. It means "something worth being remarked about." When something is remarkable, people talk about it. I think those Apple TV commercials are remarkable. I talk about them all the time.

Well, my hope is that people will soon start talking about Ting's Thai Kitchen as a remarkable venue. Why? Because it serves Thai cuisine? No, not totally. I want this restaurant to be seen as remarkable because it nurtures its community in numerous ways - not just food. I want to set the stage for the public to figure that out. The next thing you know, you have perpetual motion driving the Ting's Thai Kitchen engine. It is a mutual uplift win/win situation between the public and the restaurant.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 11, 2009 3:44 pmre: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Russ Jackman
You missed the point Lamar ... in regards to "going where the eyeballs are", there would be very few local eyeballs (existing traffic) on Squidoo or 30Boxes, so there would be no additional benefit of using a hosted service than using your own system. Yes, "web 2.0" sites offer the advantage of existing traffic, but you would have more local people paying attention to you in a fish suit than stumbling across your Squidoo lens.

And I did not say not to use Twitter in case of a DDoS attack ... I said don't use it as the foundation of a marketing strategy. It should be one part of the effort, not an integral requirement for your plan to work. And if Ting's is going to rely on Twitter, they should pay more attention to it and post more than 2 Tweets in July 2008 and try to attract more than 74 followers.

And yes, the internet is facilitating this discussion. But none of the professionals offering you advice rely on Ryze or any hosted service as the cornerstone of their internet strategy ... we understand the risks.

Lamar, instead of getting defensive, try to understand the experience and knowledge that is being shared with you. I don't think you give enough credit and respect to the people who have been trying to help you out all these years ... we are all very good at what we do, and are offering you advice and suggestions based on our experience and success. If I suggest a client dress up in a fish costume, considering what they pay me for the advice I think most (if not all) would take that advice.

(And I was not suggesting you actaully do that, Lamar ... re-read the post. I was using it as a comparison, saying it would attract more attention than a Squidoo lens among local residents.)

Clients don't take my advice simply because their "web designer" suggests they dress up in a fish costume; they take the advice because they understand I have owned or managed a number of successful businesses over the years (including multi-million dollar operations), in addition to 27 years or working with technology. There is more confidence for them in taking advice from someone who has walked the walk (and is currently walking the walk with the other business I bought in March). You should seriously consider doing the same, and stop being so defensive when we try to point out the pitfalls of handing your customers over to a "free" service.

BTW, I live in a small village on the north shore of Lake Erie, not a big city. Mind you, we have a population of 2,000 compared to your 1,000 area residents, but I'm not sure if that limits my advice to only working in a "big city".

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Aug 11, 2009 3:59 pmre: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

On October 4th, I am going to start Social Media Sunday Brunches at Ting's Thai Kitchen. There is going to be a meal and then a presentation. And, no this is not a freebie. People will pay for the meal and the presentation in advance via Paypal. I will actually invoice each person wanting to attend. Ting's is a small restaurant. But, we can set aside a section for just 12 people. History has shown that can things can be accomplished when you start out with a small band of passionate people. I can make a presentation using a computer and a 24" ASUS LCD monitor. I am going to bring people from all over the county to this restaurant. They are learn about Skype, Yugma, Squidoo, Ryze and Twitter up close and personal. I am going to encourage them to join my Ryze network, Clusters (those living in South Lake County will also be encouraged to join the town hall network on Ning.com) and form small groups which help each other out. Included in each group will be one "virtual member" from my database of Cluster mentors. I am going to educate this entire county through these 12-member Sunday brunches. I will attempt to do them every Sunday from October to the end of the year. I may end up skipping a few weeks here and there, but I am going to make the attempt.

I am convinced the the key to doing big things is small group collaboration. I may also be speaking to the regional Chamber of Commerce in October. In addition, I plan to be a vendor at the local Coyote Valley Community Plaza in October. I am currently trying to convince Coca-Cola and Bsquare Technologies to come here and showcase their new Cocoa-Cola Freestyle Dispenser. If I am successful in doing that, we should have a tremendous crowd because this is Pepsico country. If Coke ventures in here with a new innovation, that should draw resort folks from all over the county to this area. Why? Because it suddenly becomes in their best financial interest to show up.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 11, 2009 4:09 pmRe: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Teddy Towncrier


Lamar .... Tell Charlie ... "Xxxx Xxxx is going to call you. .... He's already donated his resources to our community;   He's a valuable resource for me and will fill those seats for you without any fuss or added burden to you" ... If you're serious about a implementing a solid strategy ... I'll have him call you". ..... (This should be a face to face communication and not communicated via an email).

Then get out of the way and let it happen.

Just make sure you have a firm comittment from "Xxxx Xxxx" that he's provided for a juicy referral fee for you.

The Karma could be better, here. This small project is being hacked to death and is close to evaporating.


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Aug 11, 2009 4:14 pmre: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Scott Wolpow
Why would any person outside of your area take time out of their day to deal with perhaps 11 people in a tiny market? [Besides doing you a favor]
I attended BNI for 2.5 years and we meet every week with 15 people. Total revenue did not even pay for my breakfast dues, let alone the cost of BNI and the BNI 'taxes'. [BNI taxes are the courses you have to take, and other events they require you to attend. All designed to squeeze more moeny from you]

Now I think that is great for your town.

What is the population of Tings market area? How many other take-out places are there? I am guessing most people take out.

What are you going to 'sell' at the Coyote Market. [Will there be any Road Runners beep beep].

Why will it make sense for Coke to show up at your tiny market?

Are you going to use a updated photo of yourself?

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Aug 11, 2009 4:33 pmre: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Russ,

I very much appreciate your advice. I realize if you did not care, you would not give it. I fully understand that. I do not mean to come across as being defensive. However, it is very difficult to convince someone who already has a FREE Squidoo lens to spend the money to purchase a domain name and pay some webmaster to manage it for the purpose of achieving what he has already seen be accomplished on his own free Squidoo lens. And, I am not saying your advice, along with Scott and Reg is wrong. What I am saying is it is a difficult argument to win with someone who shares a very different perspective.

With regard to the Twitter option, I am in full agreement. Just two Twitter posts some time ago is ridiculous. It is going to take some coaching to get the management to use this tool on a regular basis. What we are talking about here is creating new habits. Listen, this entire county needs to create new habits. The regional Chamber of Commerce started a social media series this year for that very purpose. This comes THREE YEARS after I personally handed the Chamber's executive director a CD I created for her about Skype. To this day I doubt that she has put Skype on her computer. This is the equivalent of people being too busy to learn how to drive a car because they are too busy walking everywhere they need to go.

Do you have city directories in your libraries there in Canada? We have them in Atlanta. But, guess what happens out here in Mayberry when you call the local library to inquire about a city directory? First, you are told they don't have the directory. Then, you get told no such directory even exists - not for Lake County. That's interesting. Why? Because the library is wrong. There is a Lake & Mendocino Haines City Directory. But, our public library system here is so backward it does not even know what it has. And no, it's not an online directory. It's a bound and printed directory. An online directory is what Lake County does not have. And, can you guess why? Because the data needed for the directory has never been transferred to computer from microfiche. And, with all the economic problems California is currently having, I doubt that microfiche information is going to make it onto a computer database anytime soon.

Bottom line, your comments and insights are always welcome by me. But, please understand, their implementation may be not be quite so easy.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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Aug 11, 2009 4:53 pmre: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Scott Wolpow
Lamar,
It does not cost much to get a domain or hosting. BTW you were advised years ago that once people expect free, they only want free.

As to the city directory, well that is money waiting to happen.
Go create a site for that and sell advertising. You only need to sell one ad, everyone else can share. You may not make money, but think of teeh mutual uplift.

Use Joomla and SOBI2 and you will have everything you need.

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Aug 11, 2009 5:25 pmre: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

Remember, I got Fox News to come to Middletown. I got Gov. Schwarzenegger to write a letter for the Hardesters Shopping Center's Spring Fling. I currently have more people signed up for the Middletown Area Town Hall Network than currently show up for the monthly meetings. I have a professor of Public Relations from Golden State University planning to attend this kick-off luncheon and to introduce me. (This was actually her idea, not mine.) I think I can get 12 people to come for a Sunday Brunch - and pay to be there. Of course, I may end up eating those words...but I am definitely determined to do this.)

I think a BNI group would be great for this community. That is actually what the Middletown Area Business Association should be. However, this group went from a membership of 150 down to 49. It's dying and desperately needs to be brought back to life. The problem here is that folks either do not CARE or lack the skills to execute CARE properly.

If you visit the Squidoo lens for last May's Spring Fling, notice how many of the merchants listed bothered to send a letter to the site. They were all instructed to do this. Why didn't they do it? All that was required was to send me an email. They did not care. They are an undisciplined bunch.

This whole deal about sending out coupons or birthday cards like SendOut Cards is a gamble. It is just "luck." There is no game theory to it. You're playing with numbers - not people. You can visit sites like the Direct Marketing Association and they will even tell you in advance what you can likely expect in terms of a rate-of-response from a mailing based upon the numbers. You're dealing with numbers as opposed to flesh-and-blood people. Let's change that paradigm and place the focus on the importance of the individual as a person who needs to receive value.

Well, I have actually witnessed this happening more than once. Therefore, I know it is something that can be repeated BY DESIGN. I conducted two seminars that were successful and not one penny in paid advertising was spent. Why? Because third-party referrals did the work of promotion for me.

The population for Hidden Valley Lake, which is a gated bedroom residential community is around 6,000. I believe we have between 2,200 and 2,500 homes in the area. It was originally designed to be a retirement community. That is one reason there is a golf course and country club here. But, today the majority of the residents here do not even play golf. What am I going to sell at the Coyote Community Plaza? Well, I am going to multi-task. I am going to enroll folks in the town hall network and Clusters. All anyone needs to do is drop a business card in a vase and I will email them an invitation link to both networks. I am going to promote my PR service. If Coke shows up, their dispenser will be in my space. If I can do Skype conferences with special guests from Nokia, Skype or other technological resources, I will provide that as well. In addition, I will be providing "goodie bags." (More about that on another thread. I have a friend in Canada doing something special in regard to that.) It will make sense for Coke to show up in my tiny market because I am located right between to big center of influence here in Northern California - Sacramento (state capital) and San Francisco. Therefore, I can pull from both areas. And, if I can get the local high school students to engage in a marketing campaign at them as I did with Gov. Schwarzenegger, Steve Jobs, George Lucas and other folks you have never even heard of, I think Coke will come. Fox came here in 2006. It only took letters from 30 high school students and the buzz they created.

Whether you look at Squidoo, Twitter or Facebook, the reason for success I believe is the same. It's third-party endorsement that drives the train. The train chugs along because the people who ride on it contribute to the fuel. And, that is what I believe can happen with Ting's.

Lamar Morgan
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Aug 12, 2009 1:05 amre: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Heidi Caswell
BNI, it depends on the group. I made back my initial sign up fee within the first 2 months. Our group is small, not a full chapter yet. All but the lawn care guy use SendOutCards which they've purchased from me. They've also referred people to me for wordpress sites although that is not my category, not a service I promote, but seems to come to me word of mouth. I saved $2000 a year on my insurance through a fellow BNI member and I did have one of the better deals in the first place.

Loyalty cards, I like that idea. My husband loves to use them, esp. if it is a lunch place. A local place here stopped their loyalty card program after someone made counterfiet cards with fake stamps/hole punches. So you'd have to consider that possibility.

Heidi Caswell
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Aug 12, 2009 1:16 amre: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Scott Wolpow
You cleared over $500 in net profit? Did you factor in what you could have made doing cold calls during that time?

The people in my group pay no attention to what is being said.
The trouble with BNI is thattehy want you to earn money for them. You give, they gain.
Corporate wants to slice the pie in each chapter as thin as possible.
Also look at the time involved. 2 hours each week are worth $x and what does breakfast cost? What about MSP etc.

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Aug 12, 2009 1:35 amre: re: Re: Attn: Professional Programmers - Lamar#

Heidi Caswell
Twitter -- works only if the customers use twitter. I agree, no need to send twitter to a digital sign, just place the promotion there. If only a few use twitter, that can't be your only point of contact.

SendOutCards
Yes it is a mlm, but that doesn't make it bad. (I know you had a bad experience with a mlm, but labeling all mlm's as bad is a prejudice) Lamar, have you ever used it? looked at its features, had a business use SOC to build a loyal customer base? Many do.

Because I use generic lead capture pages along with the company's lead capture pages (not because I'm hiding the company, but so I can do my own marketing and tracking, own my own info) I bump into people who found SendOutCards but were sure there had to be a better deal out there, went searching and found me, surely a mlm couldn't provide the best service, but it does.

Now if you wanted to just send out direct mail postcards, there is a cheaper way to do that. What SOC excels at is building that personal touch. And the response rate is well above that of ordinary direct mail campaigns.

That said, there are many ways to connect with your clients and that is just one way. In an age where people can just google and find a cheaper deal, you have to set yourself apart, build that relationship. How does a facebook Happy Birthday, Ryze Happy Birthday, compare to a real card, or a card with a gift? Which sets you apart? Often the words mean the most. A heartfelt email is more personal than a generic card, but a personalized card is even better. Has staying power. When was the last time a business called you on the phone to wish you a Happy Birthday? That too sets you apart.

What if when they came in for their birthday or anniversary free desert, you took a quick snapshot of the happy group, sent it to them as a card, thanking them for celebrating at your place, don't you think that would be very personal, a keeper.

Tip, no matter what kind of cards you use to thank your customers, never throw in your business card, then it becomes a sales pitch. Your name on the card yes, even company name.

Heidi Caswell

http://heyclickhere.net/

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Aug 12, 2009 1:53 amre: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Heidi Caswell
About $800, does it take time? Yes. We meet at a deli, just as their fresh pastries come out of the oven. Usually spend $3-5 on breakfast. I've been told I received more as a new member than anyone else in the group. Not all have that experience. I really don't like cold calling, not my style.

The new insurance rep will probably have me beat. I'd invited my insurance rep, he was going to come, but backed out, another insurance agent visited, I saw he'd signed himself up as a customer for me within a hour of leaving that meeting. Next week he joined BNI, I let him give me a quote, more coverage for $2000 less was a no brainer.

Heidi Caswell
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Aug 12, 2009 1:58 amre: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Scott Wolpow
What type of insurance can you save $2,000 on?
I use a difefrant formula, I pay myself a salary and the company makes profit on that.

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Aug 12, 2009 2:08 amre: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Lindy Asimus
Scott you highlight a good point.

I am a big fan of BNI though I am not a member!

Well not so far at least, the regimentation of the system is a bit at odds with my preferences... and that is what I think is it's biggest advantage. There is a commitment and an accountability to it that is at the heart of why it can be successful.

I've been involved peripherally with BNI in my local area and watched it grow over the past several years. From a failed attempt in this area some 10 years before to get it started to the new director bringing it back, I've seen new chapters develop and the chapters are all overseen by a real stickler for form and sticking to the book. This isn't to everyone's taste, but where the members take it to heart and follow the letter of the system, it remains that their chapters do very well.

They have the numbers to show and a means to acurately measure the critical factors.

And I agree with you, that the quality of the group is going to be determined by how much each member gives to the chapter. Where they pull their weight, it can be very rewarding. Where they don't ... they are really not following the BNI ethic and probably should be tossed out and replaced.


Unfortunately half-hearted efforts by a few reflect poorly on the system, which can be unfortunate, as these same people are acting outside the system.



Lindy


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Aug 12, 2009 2:41 amre: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Heidi Caswell
$2000 on car and home insurance, we have several cars, liability only on all but one, teenage drivers.

Lindy is right. It is the people which make it flop or soar, and how they work together.

Heidi

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Aug 13, 2009 3:19 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Heidi,

I have a lot of friends who use SendOut Cards - despite the fact it is an MLM, not because of it. However, did you know the US Postal Service provides the same service. Just so you know, folks do have a choice.

I really appreciate Russ Jackman's advice regarding the warning of a possible TOS violation in using 30 Boxes in a commercial application. I went and inquired of the company to see if placing birthdays and anniversaries on their calendar by a restaurant operation - as opposed to an individual - was a problem. They responded via email that doing so was not a problem for them. However, 30 Boxes did not respond to my question about how they were going to use the contact information. But, in looking at a lot of TOS'es since Russ brought this to my attention, it appears that just about everybody does this sort of thing. Google does this big-time. Are we not to use Google because it gathers information about us?

I asked Squidoo if I could remove the Google ads from one of my Squidoo lenses and replace them with other Google ads I thought would be more appropriate. Guess what I was told? I was told there was nothing they could do. If I had a problem with the Google ads perhaps I should not use the service. Well, I did not expect that kind of response. I actually expected them to work with me on this in some fashion. I wonder if I were to contact Google, the response would be similar? Or, perhaps there is a way they can replace one Google ad on a Squidoo site with another?

Lamar Morgan
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Aug 13, 2009 3:45 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Lindy Asimus
>>
Lamar Morgan 707-709-8605

Heidi,

I have a lot of friends who use SendOut Cards - despite the fact it is an MLM, not because of it. However, did you know the US Postal Service provides the same service. Just so you know, folks do have a choice.


Lamar


Let me put aside for a moment that this reads like an incredibly insensitive comment in the circumstances, what the US postal service doesn't provide is the service that Heidi provides. Period.

Just so you know, folks do have a choice? Really?
You really wrote that to Heidi?

Like you don't think she knows that?


Good grief.





Lindy




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Aug 13, 2009 3:51 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Scott Wolpow
Send out cards is one of the good MLM's. Why? Because they stress selling the product.

Google itself gives you very little control over what ads appear. If you need that control BUILD YOUR OWN SITE!!!!!.

I do nto use Gmail or any other Google programs because they want my data. I do not mind the serach, because that is a direct service I am using.

BTW if you do not like what Sqidoo said to you, ask for your money back.

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Aug 13, 2009 4:47 pmRe: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Teddy Towncrier


Lamar .... Your No1 project today is;   Send Heidi flowers accompanied by a $20 card with only "Lamar" written on it.

This is **NOT** the time for a phone call.

Hopefully you'll get 10% cred back, sometime within the next 10 years..


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Aug 13, 2009 5:25 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Reg Charie
What you seem to forget Lamar is that the people that are selling SOC invest a LOT of time in training to help YOU.
I don't see the USPS doing that. You are on your own when you use their service.

I was a SOC affiliate and my trainer spent a lot of time showing what could be done. Something that you would not know if you walk into a "self service".
If you are looking for a MLM then this IS one of the choices.

As for the ads on the page, if you had an adwords account you would understand what their choices are when it comes to display..
They had NO OTHER ANSWER.. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.... there IS no way to "work with you". This is because of the way AdSense determines what to display.
If you are doing the admin of an AdSense account you can specify sites / subjects to exclude, but if I remember, this is done on a global level. There is no way to configure individual pages.
Actually there is, but it would be a LOT of admin work setting up each ad group on each Squidoo page as a unique ad unit.
I don't know how much Squidoo expects to make of their ad unit on your page but I can assure you it is not enough for custom programming.



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Aug 14, 2009 12:57 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Heidi Caswell
Thanks Scott, Lindy, Teddy, Reg.

Lamar, yes, I am very aware that the USPS has their own cardshop. Last I checked it didn't offer near so much and charged more. Couldn't check again. From their website:


Cardstore.com Site Maintenance

Cardstore.com is temporarily unavailable due to scheduled site maintenance.
If you need assistance, please contact us at customercare@cardstore.com.

Thank you for your patience, and we'll be back up soon!

Current time is Fri Aug 14 05:32:22 2009

ETA to end of maintence: Sat Aug 8 12:30:00 PDT 2009

___________________________

I bet USPS doesn't print in Australia, nor send out cards to Canada from Canada in Canadian postage. Big savings to the corporation I have as a client who used SOC for their last minute Christmas cards, they have clients in both the US and Canada.

Personal service, that is why SOC is marketed under the MLM model. The USPS would not have gone into my Realtor's office and spent an hour or two helping her create campaigns for referrals, sale of new home to buyer, thank you to seller of home, etc.

Controlling ads or no ads all together. That is one of the benefits of owning your own domain, and having a webhost.

Thank all the talented professional programmers on this network who have freely shared their expertise, advice to you. Thank all the marketing people who have also shared their ideas and expertise. When the time comes and you decide to have your own, hire a marketing professional, graphic designer, or anything else, surely you would come here and buy from one of those, not hire someone you looked up in the yellow pages, using ideas from members of this group.

Heidi Caswell
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Aug 14, 2009 2:52 pmRe: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Teddy Towncrier


That's a classy pitch, Heidi.

I'd be glad to modify slightly and use it as a recommended resource in my blog. ... PM me and let me know.


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Aug 15, 2009 10:15 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programme -- Scott#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Heidi,

Thanks for all the advice. I really do appreciate it. As a matter of fact, I have my own domain name. I have had it for several years. I got that domain name with the help of someone on this very network - not from someone I looked up in the Yellow Pages.

There was a time that I used to help an MLM deceive the public. I helped them make a weekly meeting room cold so the resistance to the "business opportunity" would decrease. I helped create the "rah rah" cheerleader atmosphere with the obnoxiously loud music knowing full well its purpose was to psychologically boost sales. I was actually schooled in all those MLM tricks for one reason - TO CHEAT people who trusted me. Well, I got fed up with doing business that way.

Any business can choose to be about "personal service." That is certainly NOT the exclusive domain of an MLM. What is the exclusive domain of the MLM world is the FREE SALESFORCE. In the real corporate world of business, you are paid to be trained by your employer. Your corporate employer sees you as an investment. The reason he invests in you is because he desires to reap a profit from your skills, which he gladly nurtures.

The MLM world is focused on appealing to an individual's basic needs and dreams - not so much for the individual's benefit as for the MLM's own revenue. You often hear MLM's chant the mantra, "You're in business for yourself, but not by yourself." But, whose money is being spent? It's not the MLM's money. It's ALL your money that is being spent. It's all YOUR TIME that is being spent, too - whether you make sales or not.

In the corporate world, you can lose your job for a variety of reasons. In the MLM world, there is usually just one reason why you lose your job - you lost too much of your own money trying to promote the MLM's business. But, what did the MLM lose? Nothing. More than likely, it actually gained by replacing you with someone who had more money to throw at marketing programs, business opportunity meetings and conferences. An good MLM masters the art of promoting "the process." It's not just interested in providing a product or service. It's main interest lies in building an ever-expanding community of FREE Salespeople.

I also thank all the programmers here that volunteered advice. Had it not been for the advice provided by the two Russ' here, I doubt I would have asked as many question to 30 Boxes and Squidoo as I have in recent days. I still use Squidoo. I still use 30 Boxes. But, now there is a difference. I have a better understanding of the relationship. And, a relationship, if you do it justice, is something you can build upon.

Building upon relationships is what business networking is all about. Willing to be a "goto" person for other people is what netweaving is all about. However, talking the talk is of little real value. What's needed is a plan - a design for demonstrating the true value of both networking and netweaving. As I type this message a fellow Ryzer in Canada is helping me put together a special program to focus a world of Ryzer attention upon the Coyote Valley Community Plaza in Hidden Valley Lake, CA. The idea is NOT simply to create a "buzz" for this community plaza's Thursday Market, but to focus attention on all those Ryzer businesses who demonstrate they CARE.

Stay tuned. You may be surprised at what is willingly done for you to help spread YOUR MESSAGE.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
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Aug 16, 2009 5:24 am: Attn: Professional Programme -- Lamar#

Heidi Caswell
Lamar,

Glad you have your own domain name, helps bundles. And we have a some great people in this group. Sending a thank you to Russ Howard. Just back from visiting my son, that he gave some great advice to a while back.

Understand this, I would never be part of setting up something to deceive and trick people into joining. And people are not recruited through hype and brainwashing. We simply share the product and ask if they'd like to use it or make money with it. Just because some mlm companies did as the one you were with does not mean all are the same.

We are business owners (not employees), pay our own expenses as any business owner. Can sell or will our business. Choose what hours we work. The purpose of SendOutCards is not as you think, have you ever visited their headquarters? talked to top reps? have you ever talked face to face with its founder? learned why Kody built the company? In fact I heard him tell his story again today. I also got a glimpse of his plan to help inner city kids. Have you read the Aug issue of Inc 500? http://www.inc.com/inc5000/2009/company-profile.html?id=200901580

We will agree to disagree on SendOutCards. I understand you won't have anything to do with it just because it is an mlm. Your choice. I just can not sit still and see this company put into the same group as the one you had experience with, I'm very very picky what company I will do business with, and what kind of leaders I will follow.

Lots I could say, but that is not the purpose of this forum. Fortunately there are many ways to make money. We each can choose what works for us.

Teddy, Thanks, sending you an email.

Heidi Caswell
http://connectsimply.com

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Aug 17, 2009 3:16 amre: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Heidi,

We have really gotten off track here. This thread was not supposed to be about MLM's, SendOut Cards or anything like that. It was supposed to be about an online calendar API. That calendar happened to be created by a company called 30 Boxes.

Yes, we can agree to disagree about MLM's. I have a lot of friends who use SendOut Cards and are very pleased with the service. For the record, I applaud anyone for taking time and effort to make life better for inner city children. But please, let's not change the focus of this entire thread. You and others have shared thoughts on the matter. Let's return to the topic. (If you want to talk about the greatness of SendOut Cards and other MLM's, start your own independent thread. Please do not hijack this one.)

A few days ago I posted an SMR (Social Media Release) through the Pitchengine service about what Ting's Thai Kitchen plans to do for birthdays and anniversaries. Pitchengine tracks the folks who check out SMR's. The number of viewers of this SMR in less than 3 days are impressive - especially when you realize this is a rural area. I was over at Ting's today and learned that people are already responding to the SMR via email. This is just what I had hoped would happen. However, the restaurant owner now wants to change his email address. He wants an email address that is solely devoted to his online calendar promotion. So, tonight he is going to set up a Gmail account and send me a new email address to place into his Squidoo lens.

I believe I mentioned before that I contacted 30 Boxes and they do not have a problem so far as the TOS is concerned with me using the calendar to keep track of birthdays for a restaurant, a commercial venue. If they do not see that matter as a conflict of their TOS, who am I to argue the point? Keep in mind we still have a back-up on the desktop should something with 30 Boxes go wrong.

Ting's is eager to expand its Twitter audience by placing special card announcements in its front window regarding "specials" - in particular, seafood specials. Ting's has a connection in nearby Santa Rosa wherein it can get fresh seafood at a good wholesale price. But, once the seafood arrives at the restaurant, it needs to sell rather quickly - as this restaurant does not have a high-priced refrigeration system for seafood. The hope is that thanks to Twittering the restaurant will be able to sell out of the seafood the same day it comes in. The idea is that the seafood will be pre-sold before it is even ordered.

Today, the manager of Ting's recorded a message to my Skype phone that will be transferred to my Nokia N810 to share with the management of the Greenview Restaurant - it's nearby neighbor which has yet to realize the benefits of Wi-Fi in the restaurant venue. If the recorded message is successful, these two restaurants will end up having something in common with Apple and Microsoft. They will be giving each other a "mutual uplift."

Ting's Wi-Fi signal will be enhanced to cover the entire shopping center with the help of an outdoor Wi-Fi antenna. The Greenview Restaurant will be able to share that signal both inside and outside its restaurant with the help of Wi-Fi extenders. If the Greenview Restaurant is willing to pay for the antenna and extenders to expand the range of the Wi-Fi signal, Ting's Thai Kitchen will gladly continue to pay for the Wi-Fi signal.

One additional innovation was being considered today. Ting's wants to entice traffic outside the county to come party at its restaurant and receive a 15% discount. Specifically, Ting's would like to offer a 15% discount to anyone dining in the restaurant who can show by his driver's license that he is not a resident of Lake County. I think I should remind the owner that this county is known as the Meth Capital of the World. We do have a lot of crooks here. Making fraudulent driver licenses should not be too much of a problem for them. Perhaps Ting's should rethink that promotional idea?

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
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Aug 17, 2009 4:06 amre: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Reg Charie
Lamar,
I would like to point out that you opened the MLM subject.
>>"However, the idea of using Send Out Cards, an MLM (for goodness sake) is totally out of the question so far as I am concerned." (http://www.ryze.com/postdisplay.php?confid=2525&messageid=3409856)

As moderator I feel it is my place to call people to task for wandering off topic and I have not.

Doesn't Ting have its own server for hosting? Using something like Gmail is soooooo unprofessional.

>>The Greenview Restaurant will be able to share that signal both inside and outside its restaurant with the help of Wi-Fi extenders.

I hope you have professional advice on security.

>>I think I should remind the owner that this county is known as the Meth Capital of the World.

Nothing like good clean country air eh?

>>We do have a lot of crooks here. Making fraudulent driver licenses should not be too much of a problem for them. Perhaps Ting's should rethink that promotional idea?

Do you really think someone will make a false driver's license just to get 15% off the price of their meal?

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Aug 17, 2009 5:45 amre: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Reg,

The reason the restaurant wants a different email address is because the one they already have gets too much email. The last thing they want to do is add to it. He did not tell me that when I set the system up. But, today he told me he planned to get a second email address - a Gmail address.

The restaurant simply wants to collect birthday and anniversary data. I do not think they desire to brand themselves with an email address. I know he does not have his own domain name. He simply uses the Squidoo lens I created for him. He's had it for more than a year. No real problems. The fact that there are competing ads on the Squidoo lens has not proven to be a problem. Keep in mind that his is the only Thai restaurant in the entire southern end of the county. And, there is only one other Thai restaurant in the county. Plus, Ting's Thai Kitchen was actually voted the Number 1 restaurant in the entire county by the folks who live here, according to a county-wide competition put together by the county's only TV station, a public access channel. To be that popular the restaurant must be doing something right.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
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Aug 17, 2009 12:57 pmre: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
Meth capital of teh country. So you will send out tweets to tweaks.

Why can't tings get his own domain. That way he has complete control and can have as many emails as he needs. He could have an email for each campaign and those emails can still go to the same box. This is a great way to track the success.

I am curious, why is out of nowwhere people in your county residents now use the Internet and why are they not on Ryze helping out all these people whoi have helped them. Where is there side of mutual uplift?

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Aug 18, 2009 4:42 amre: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

Have you forgotten, it was Althea Garner who visited Middletown back in 2005 and introduced business networking to a crowd of Middletown Merchant Association members at the famous Calpine Visitors Center. She was also in the town's annual Western parade earlier that day. A few years later she gifted the town with their own Ryze network when she left Ryze. Unfortunately, the town did not embrace the network - even though it was renamed, "Project Middletown." Most of the folks who were members of "Project Middletown" did not even live in California, let alone the Middletown area.

I decided to change the focus of the Ryze network from Middletown. I felt what was needed for the small business community was a small group focus. In reading the book, The Heart and Art of Netweaving I feel as though I have latched onto something that can have a profound impact on small business prosperity. Some folks call it "wikinomics." I call it mutual collaboration with a mutual uplift. People willingly helping other people out can have a profound impact on a community. Unfortunately, what I tend to see all to often is the exact opposite - sometimes even sabotage. Yes, I have actually witnessed people purposefully hurting other folks who were making a special effort to help them. How absurd! Yet, it's a common occurrence out here in Mayberry. For example, how many places do you know took 28 YEARS to get a viable town hall started?

Lamar Morgan
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Aug 18, 2009 1:35 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
You still did not answer the questions.

Now that Middletown has embraced the Internet, when can we on Ryze see them help others? As you state "mutual collaboration with a mutual uplift" So far is has been all Ryze no Middletown.

I think we should impose a hiatus on helping your town until they help others. It would be nice if they helped the people who helped them. Or then could help other places. I am sure we will see some part of teh country hit by hurricanes this year.
What do other people think?
Continue helping Middletown out or use our limited resources on places taht return the 'uplift'?
In NYC it has taken close to 100 years to build the 2nd ave subway. It was proposed in 1929. It is expected to be finished 2017 ish. My guess it will be as late as 2020. So 28 years for a town hall is not that long.

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Aug 19, 2009 6:47 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

I am desperately trying to get the folks in Lake County to embrace the Internet. The fact is they are not there yet. Kelly Cox, the county administrator, commissioned the Univ. of California at Chico to create an online map showing where all the broadband signals were. The idea, I suppose, is that somewhere down the road they will know where to install more cable lines. But, right now, a lot of folks in my county are without high-speed Internet access. So, it should not seem so surprising that many are still not Internet savvy. They still do not have the tools to do it.

What is interesting to me is that I was encouraged to come to the county courthouse to learn about more broadband coming into the area only to find the whole ordeal was instead about mapping the county's broadband signal strength. This in and of itself is of no help to anyone needing high-speed Internet access right now. But, my tax dollars went to make it happen.

At the meeting, I was also asked to look over a survey which was to circulated regarding this mapping project. Well, everyone who attended this meeting had to sign-in and provide contact information. I figured they wanted to keep me in the loop for future meetings. But, once the map was done and online, guess what? I get an email asking for contributions. This project was already funded with my tax dollars. Now, I am being hit up for a donation to a funded project that is of absolutely no use to me whatsoever. Why? Because I already have high-speed Internet access. Why didn't someone at the meeting I attended bother to tell me they planned to do this. Why not be honest and up-front with people you coerce to a meeting? Is this any way for a county governing body and a university to behave?

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

Private Reply to Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Aug 19, 2009 12:26 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Scott Wolpow
If most people do not have high speed access in your area, then why woudl Tings only use the Internet to promote itself? Something is missing here.

No idea why they hit you up for money. My guess taht it was the advocacy group promoting the cause, and not the government. The government does not ask for donations.

Private Reply to Scott Wolpow

Aug 19, 2009 12:36 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lindy Asimus
Lamar I am surprised at your reaction.

Where's the regard for mutual uplift?

This is a little closer to home than the contributions you've been seeking from Ryzers all this time, for activities that are of absolutely no use to them whatsoever...


Time to give back!


Lindy


(It never goes in a straight line)

Private Reply to Lindy Asimus

Aug 22, 2009 4:45 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: : Attn: Professional Programmers - Here's A FREE Calendar API#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Lindy,

This is complicated. I have been exchanging emails with Lake County officials. The map demographics map which I was sent an email for and a request to purchase does not include the broadband strength map. That is a totally different map. I did not realize that. I am to get more feedback from the Univ. of California at Chico about this at a later date once the school year begins.

What people often ask for out here and what they end up doing is not always the same. It makes life out here a little confusing at times.

Lamar Morgan
CDMM - Synergistic Business Marketing
707-709-8605
Need PR?...Call Lamar!

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