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Aug 26, 2009 12:40 amApple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901
I believe it was explained here once already, but I would like to have it explained again why Microsoft beat Apple in the race to be the world's leading OS software. It is not alwnot always the best product that wins public approval is it?



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Aug 26, 2009 12:55 amre: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lindy Asimus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation

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Aug 26, 2009 1:09 amre: re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lindy Asimus
More here
http://www.willyhoops.com/microsoft_vs_apple_history.htm


Try Google Lamar. It is an amazing source of information.

Lindy

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Aug 26, 2009 3:48 amre: re: re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901
Lindy,

Thanks for the links, but lawsuits about GUI's is not what I want. I am not interested in Wikipedia explanations, either. I want the opinion of Ryzers as to why Microsoft Windows was more embraced by the public than the Apple OS. I believe there was a very different marketing approach by both companies back then. However, back then I was an Amiga user and not paying any attention to PC's or Macs.


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Aug 26, 2009 3:55 amre: re: re: re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lindy Asimus
Lamar it would be a good idea for you to do some study, come back with what you think is the reason, then put that to the network for them to comment on.

You doing some preliminary research into your own question, shows that you are doing something to increase your understanding, and not expecting others to hand feed you information.


Lindy

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Aug 26, 2009 4:09 amre: re: re: re: re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Scott Wolpow
Lamar,
Why do you think Microsoft won the game? BTW there are books on the subject, but I will give you a clue. Open Source.

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Aug 26, 2009 3:07 pmRe: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Teddy Towncrier


@Lamar ..... Don't take this to the bank but as I recall ..... IBM were seeking an operating system and approached Digital Research to supply.

The minds didn't meet and Microsoft were then approached about their operating system which was subsequently accepted.

Microsoft subsequently went on to licence their Operating System to other manufacturers.

The rest is history.

Nobody jumps from a fast moving train.


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Aug 26, 2009 3:30 pmre: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Scott Wolpow
Teddy,
That is not why Nicrosoft won the game though.

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Aug 26, 2009 3:50 pmre: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Reg Charie
Lamar, have you ever used an Apple?

It is like buying a car with the hood welded shut and no way to work on the engine.
If you equate the amount of software available it would be a car that will only run on main highways.


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Aug 26, 2009 4:01 pmRe: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Teddy Towncrier


@Scott ... Teddy,
That is not why Microsoft won the game though.

Thanks, Scott! ... So I'm fuzzy. .... Would you care to enlighten us?


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Aug 26, 2009 4:05 pmre: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Scott Wolpow
Why did Beta lose to VHS?
Curious Lamar, why do you want to know and what sites have you searched?

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Aug 26, 2009 4:21 pmre: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Scott Wolpow
Sorry Teddy, using game theory to get me to assist Lamar will not worl. He has to answer the questions. I gave a great big clue.

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Aug 28, 2009 7:33 amre: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

Sony's Betamax lost out to VHS because VHS was a cheaper purchase - but not a better product...not even close. More people could afford to purchase the VHS brand. However, Apple's iPod is a more expensive MP3 player. Yet, the public seems to prefer the iPod to other brands of MP3 players that are less expensive. So, why could the public choose the cheap alternative for video tape and the expensive alternative for hardware?

Is the Apple approach complete control of its user community? With an iMac are you not encouraged to "look under the hood" as Reg might say? Meanwhile, Microsoft will practically allow you to assemble your own PC - if you know where to get the parts.

I think there is a reason why Apple computers have a foot-hold in the creative community that Microsoft does not. I don't think that is an accident. I think that is most definitely there by design. Personally, I think that domain initially belonged to the Amiga computer. But, its reign was short-lived thanks to horrible marketing.

I am beginning to think the OS game is not so much about who really can make the best software product, but who has the best logistics delivery system in place.

Wal-Mart, for example, totes that it is about "Always Low Prices." But, what makes Wal-Mart really tick is not the lowest prices, but the fact that they rarely run out of what you need...thanks to those trucks. While I doubt a service like Alice.com will ever hurt Wal-Mart, I would not be a bit surprised if Wal-Mart attempted to imitate their strategy.

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Aug 28, 2009 8:06 amre: re: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lindy Asimus
Lamar on what do you base cost as being the factor that made the difference?


Lindy

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Aug 28, 2009 1:45 pmre: re: re: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Scott Wolpow
VHS won because the tape held 2 hours to Betamax's 1.5 hours and more companies produced VHS than Betamaxs.
BTW Betacam is still used today.
If you want to compare two roducts, they must be equals. Most MP3 players were not well designed, they also did nto have the libray of music.

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Aug 29, 2009 5:36 amre: re: re: re: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

You are telling me that Sony Betamax lost out to VHS due to the shorter length of the tape - not the fact it was a much more expensive product? Are you saying that if Sony's tape had been designed to last two hours that even at a high price it would have won over the public - just as the Apple iPod has done? If that is what you believe, why didn't Sony simply lengthen the video tape it was selling to two hours and win that war?

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Aug 29, 2009 5:59 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Scott Wolpow
At the time they could only put 1.5 hours on the cassete they were using. Sony also did not allow other companies to make Betamax playrs. The 1/2 inch tape is just 3/4 inch tape [U-Matic] on a diagonal. The Beta family was designed to record 1/2 hours intervals professional cameras.
JVC designed the system from scratch and allowed others to make the VHS players.
But Beta was by far better quality than VHS when they came out.

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Aug 29, 2009 6:28 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: Re: Apple vs. Microsoft Approach#

Lamar Morgan 954-603-7901

Scott,

Getting back to Apple vs. Microsoft, would you say the analogy to VHS vs. Betamax applies? Microsoft and VHS take the approach that anyone can use their application in a hardward product. Betamax and Apple says "nothing doing" - our application resides only in OUR HARDWARE. Therefore, in the latter case, the logistics for getting the product to the public is greatly reduced. Hence, fewer sales and higher costs/sale.

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