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| | The Aamhi - Marathi ( Marathi Aamchi Maayboli) Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts | | Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | Views: 1396 | | Aug 31, 2009 4:45 pm | | Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # | 
Ambika Kulshrestha | | This is with reference to the news item Raj in mock dock (dated 31st August 2009). It is shocking to know that Mr. Raj Thackeray is contemplating to stop North Indians from buying property in Mumbai. I am a Maharastrian, born and brought up in Mumbai and married to a North Indian. If Mr. Thackeray really wishes to win over the hearts of the Marathi manoos, then he should do something constructive and help in the development of the city and the state on the whole.
Had there been sufficient job opportunities and sources of earning livelihood in the states, from where there is an influx into Mumbai, then why would the people from such states come all the way to Mumbai? And also, besides this, as per the Constitution, India is a democratic country and every citizen of India has the right to go and live anywhere they want to in the country.Private Reply to Ambika Kulshrestha | | Sep 02, 2009 4:55 am | | re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # | 
Maddy | | "Had there been sufficient job opportunities and sources of earning livelihood in the states, from where there is an influx into Mumbai, then why would the people from such states come all the way to Mumbai? "
Dear Ambika, don't you think this question of yours actually defines what needs to be addressed?
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 02, 2009 7:05 am | | re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Vivek Dev | | Constitution talks about right to migrate, not right to invade. When north indians migrate to Maharashtra by the trainloads they are invading the state not migrating.
Its the numbers that make all the difference. And by the way Maharashtra has taken in more than its fair share of migrants, may be now it is time for the rest of the states make room for them. Private Reply to Vivek Dev | | Sep 02, 2009 12:24 pm | | re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Ambika Kulshrestha | | I dont think that we are talking about Maharashtra here, its basically about Mumbai. In US, people go to New York to work and they come from smaller towns. It is ok to protest as it is a constitutional right but to beat the people up (there were couple of cases of death as well) is not justified. I know that as a city, Mumbai cannot take more migrants at all, be it from any part of the country. I was commenting more about Raj Thackerey's interview wherein he had a list of people buying flats. Some people come to Mumbai on transfer (esp in Government jobs) and some work for Big corporates. If they are interested to buy a flat here, what is the problem? Private Reply to Ambika Kulshrestha | | Sep 02, 2009 2:57 pm | | re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | Dear Ambika,
The Media has really bought the country! They can spoonfeed what they want, and people are gullible enough to lap it up. I remember the case of death of a Bihari on a railway station, where the media had blown it out of limit and blamed the MNS guys of killing a Bihari. This had even instigated the Bihari youth in Bihar to go on a train burning spree, for whatever purpose...and guess what? After the investigation(for which the media refused to wait), it was found that the Bihari chap had died due to an unfortunate accident, and had nothing to do with the MNS protests.
Coming to your point, yes, Raj Thakeray has indeed said that he is collecting information on who has booked the flats in upcoming buildings(for your information, a minimal precentage of Maharashtrians could get the MHADA flats, and more than 95% of them have gone to Non Maharashtrians. I do not call that LUCK), but he has nowhere said NORTH INDIANS. That is something you are deriving, maybe because you have married a north Indian. Secondly, the rest of the accusation that you are talking about is something that is the written by the MUMBAI MIRROR reporter. To put things in perspective, here is the clip:
"About what he plans to do in the near future, Raj claimed he is busy compiling a list of upcoming buildings in the city, with names of who has booked what flats. Though he did not elaborate on what he was going to do with this list, the strategy is strikingly similar to that employed by Bal Thackeray in the 1960s, when he published lists of south Indian officers in banks and telephone companies in his magazine Marmik to exhort the Marathi-speaking populace in Mumbai before forming the Shiv Sena."
Having said that, I completely agree that violence is not the answer to anything, and I also agree that everyone has a right to settle anywhere in the country. But one needs know the difference between 1) coming and settling here, and 2) coming and settling here in illegal hutments.
The amusing part is that they know that the government, sooner or later, will not only make those illegal hutments legal, but will also build them a stronger structure by utilising the hard earned money of the common Mumbaikar, and that involves all legitimate taxpayers, including your husband!
Regards,
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 02, 2009 5:08 pm | | re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Ambika Kulshrestha | | Mr Maddy,
"About what he plans to do in the near future, Raj claimed he is busy compiling a list of upcoming buildings in the city, with names of who has booked what flats. Though he did not elaborate on what he was going to do with this list, the strategy is strikingly similar to that employed by Bal Thackeray in the 1960s, when he published lists of south Indian officers in banks and telephone companies in his magazine Marmik to exhort the Marathi-speaking populace in Mumbai before forming the Shiv Sena."
As mentioned in the above paragraph, Raj will be adopting the same strategy as adopted by Bal Thackeray against South Indians, clearly means that Raj will be adopting strategies against North Indians, since he has been against North Indians till date and my stating this has nothing to do with me having married a North Indian, had I married a Maharashtrian I would have been of a similar opinion and also the gist of my comment is that instead of Raj involving himself in such things, he should work towards the development of this city which is of great importance. Since common people like you or me bank on these politicians, for helping us lead our lives in a better way, by giving us good infrastructure and development on the whole.
And lastly, I have merely commented on an article printed in the newspaper and I have not written anything personal, so there is no need for you to get personal by commenting on my having married a North Indian.Private Reply to Ambika Kulshrestha | | Sep 02, 2009 5:26 pm | | re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Ambika Kulshrestha | | Mr Vivek,
As per the Indian Constitution, following are the fundamental rights;
The six fundamental rights are:
Right to equality
Right to freedom
Right against exploitation
Right to freedom of religion
Cultural and educational rights
Right to constitutional remedies
So, there is nothing like "Right to Migrate" as written by you, although Indian Citizens can go anywhere in India and work and stay owing to the right to freedom and equality. In all the countries there are commercial centres where availability of jobs are more and the same applies to Mumbai. There are plenty of small jobs which include Rickshaw drivers, Bhaji wallas, Taxi drivers, plumbers, electricians etc where people from East UP and Bihar are employed mostly. These kind of jobs are not sought after generally by the marathi manoos. I am surprised that you have used the word "invade" as we all are Indians first and then Maharashtrians or Bengalis or Gujaratis etc. Please remember that in a foreign land, you will be recognized as an Indian and not as a Maharashtrian. People within a country neither invade nor migrate. It is only a question of getting their daily bread or a matter of choice. And if we do not unite together as Indians how will we solve the problems of terrorism and other ills which are looming on our head. When our soilders fight war on our borders or against the terrorists, they fight as Indians. When we win a cricket match, it is India which wins and not the South or North Indians. The problems of employment can only be resolved by different state Governments and not by vandalism.Private Reply to Ambika Kulshrestha | | Sep 03, 2009 1:24 am | | re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | |
Dear Ambika,
I am sorry if any of my comments hurt you. I assure you that I had no intention of seeming personal. It was just a point of view that your marrying a North Indian may have made you feel that the line in the newspaper was against north Indians. As you can see, the word "north Indian" is nowhere in the article quoted by you. And as the first two lines of this thread started by you states - "This is with reference to the news item "Raj in mock dock?" (dated 31st August 2009). It is shocking to know that Mr. Raj Thackeray is contemplating to stop North Indians from buying property in Mumbai."
So I am merely quoting from the same article.
Secondly,your statement - "Raj WILL BE adopting the same strategy as adopted by Bal Thackeray against South Indians, CLEARLY MEANS that Raj will be adopting strategies against North Indians, since he has been against North Indians till date" seems very assumptious and preconcieved to me.
Again, I assure you that I have no intentions of getting personal. Some of my best friends are North Indians(whom I did prefer to call Indians), and even I have had an intercaste marriage with a Gujarati Jain girl whom I love from the bottom of my heart.
Please do not misunderstand, and let us have a healthy debate. Welcome to AAMHI MARATHI.
Regards,
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 03, 2009 1:44 am | | re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | One last thing....every place is a confined geographical location. It has its lomoyed quota of natural resources. a certain area maybe equipped to handle 1000 people. If more come, it may not be able to meet their needs. One needs to understand this! Mumbai has over exceeded that limit 20 years ago. I am sure that most of us will agree here.
Pumping that kind of revenue by the State Govt. is taking its toll on the other regions of Maharashtra too.
Just one question to ponder. Agriculture is a global thing...at least a national thing. Why do I hear only the farmers from Maharashtra committing suicide?
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 03, 2009 1:55 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | While on Farmer's Suicide, here is Raj Thakeray's take on it, something that the non-Maharashtrian Media will never allow to reach the public....cos it is so much against the monstrous image that they have created out of him!
In an interview, he says on Farmer suicides:
"Our ministers promise free electricity, housing etc. when the election approaches. How many things will you offer for free? In my opinion, nothing’s free in this world, except Mother’s love. What about water? By God’s grace, water is available free, without any tax. Can’t you value it? Can’t you regulate its supply to the agricultural regions? The two components of agriculture are land and water. The need for pumps and electricity is fairly modern. Agriculture used to take place without these for times immemorial. So our leaders need to understand that without water, the free electricity or loan waivers are futile.
Agriculture happens globally, then why does the farmer of Maharashtra get driven to suicide. Something is going wrong here and we need to identify what.
Agriculture is a system. The government should educate the farmer to understand and optimize this system. A minister should not limit this knowledge to the farmer of their constituency alone. Manmohan Singh made comment when he came to Maharashtra. He said that the agricultural progress of Baramati should be replicated all over Maharashtra. Sharad Pawar, who came into power four times over, could not see beyond Baramati when it came to development?
I am of the belief that these relief packages are not a solution at all. Irrigation and better distribution and planning of water supply are the key to develop agriculture and help the farmers."
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 03, 2009 3:58 am | | re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Vivek Dev | | Ambika: I said right to migrate to cut to the chase, instead of saying people have right to take up residence, employment or engage in other business or other legal activities etc. I think now we are on the same page if you please.
At this stage let me tell you that the original inhabitants of any place are stakeholders in the social, cultural and other changes that follow with the influx of large numbers of migrants. The rights of the original inhabitants have to be protected ahead of the rights of migrants. This is accepted all over the world. A couple of years back we saw the agitation in Bengal over the issue of Nano factory. The sons of the soil felt their lives would be negatively impacted so they started an agitation and the Tatas had to move out.
You talk about national integration. Do you think national integration will happen by denying the sons of the soil their rights? Do you think national integration will happen if the likes of Lalu Prasad deny people of Maharashtra their rights to appear for exams through some clever by half tricks? Do you think national integration will happen if one community is denied the right to raise inconvenient issues by a biased media and administration more interested in dismissing such issues by labelling them as parochial, communal to serve north supremacist agendas or will the cause of national integration be better served through dialogue and acceptance of the rights of all stakeholders?
Yes people do come from various places to ply their small trades and make a living here. I accept that they may bring in some skills etc that the local population may not possess. I can also accept that the migrants may even be great human beings, even saints and angels if you like, but should that be sufficient reason for handing them the reins of my state? Do we need to go along with cry 'ab maharashtra ki bari hai?
Private Reply to Vivek Dev | | Sep 03, 2009 2:00 pm | | re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | By the way, 10 out of the many quotes of Raj Thakeray, which, I am sure, most of us have not heard of from the media!
1) I am an untouchable- in politics.
2) All our efforts to present the MNSs’ correct viewpoint before them(the media) have been proved futile.
3) There’s a misunderstanding there. I am not against people migrating for work. Wherever you’re living, you should and must respect the law, the culture and the people of that place!
4) I have never opposed the non-Maharashtrian (Amarathi) people who have lived in Mumbai for years or are born here. Scan my speeches, my letters and show me one sentence I have uttered against them. If I was against all non-Maharashtrians, would my Gujarati, Punjabi, Parsi friends still be my friends?
5) I am against people who come to Maharashtra from other places and have no respect for the law and culture of Maharashtra. These people refuse to accept or respect the laws and are extremely arrogant. You tell me how to fix their arrogance. You might say it’s the government’s responsibility to set their behaviour right, but has the government done anything at all? What the government could not manage in the last 60 years, I’ve achieved in a month’s time. Results matter.
6) Where in the constitution has it been mentioned that Mumbai is the commercial capital of the country? The reason it is addressed as that is the culture of this state. Mumbai has provided people from across India, and now the world even, an environment conducive to conduct successful businesses. There are many who claim that they ‘created’ Mumbai. These people are welcome to pack their bags and take their ‘ability of creation’ to their respective hometowns.
Don’t forget that the leaders of Maharashtra provided the infrastructure for them to create whatever it is that they have created. If you don’t agree with me, tell me why have the Tatas never set up another unit in Bihar after Jamshedpur?
7) In Mumbai, signboards with microscopic space allotted to Marathi were unacceptable to me. I took up the issue and enforced it. The results were seen. It was a law but the MNS had to take up the issue and enforce the law. What does this mean? Try showing these people the law and they find a way to get around it. It shows lack of respect for the law and the language. I do not oppose English. I have no objection towards a language. I want everybody to speak various languages but my Marathi should not be excluded.
8) If i say that these migrants should be stopped people blame me of ‘dividing the nation’. Tell me, don’t a number of Jain Housing societies clearly state that they will not let any non-Jain person buy a flat in their society? This ghettoism is not frowned upon. Tell me, if a housing society prohibits hawkers from entering the society, to reduce nuisance to the residents, will we call that dividing the nation? After all the hawker is an Indian citizen, he has the right to enter the society which is in his country!
9) Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru divided this country into states on the basis of language, albeit according to the demand of the country. Therefore, the language of each state must be respected. If I demand that this be fulfilled, how am I disintegrating the country? If I demand that the people respect laws and behave in a civilised manner, how am I disrespecting the country?
10) Shivaji Maharaj explains an ideal administration in these beautiful words. ‘Kaarbhaar aisa karavaa, ki rayatechya bhaajichya dethaas hi haat na lavne.’ (Run the administration in such a way that you shouldn’t touch even the ‘stems’ of the subjects’ vegetables)
Shivaji Maharaj’s quotation should be etched in stone across all the government office, don’t you think? Don’t just celebrate the Jayantis and Punyatithees blindly. Learn something from these great men.
Cheers~
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 03, 2009 2:09 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | Finally guys...some words of wisdom from "Maharashtraache laadke Vyaktimattva"....
"एका प्रांतातून दुसऱ्या प्रांतात नोकरीधंद्यासाठी जाणाऱ्या लोकांनी आपण अन्य प्रांतीयांच्या अंत:करणावर, डोक्यावर आणि मुख्य म्हणजे पोटावर स्वत:च्या प्रांतीय अहंकारामुळं आणि स्वार्थानं आक्रमण करणार नाही, हे पथ्य पाळणं ही सर्वात आवश्यक गोष्ट आहे. शेवटी दुसऱ्याची वेदना काय आहे, तो कां ओरडतो आहे, चळवळ करतो हे समजून घेणं आणि आपल्या वागणुकीतून त्याला दु:ख होतं आहे हे कळल्यावर आपली वागणूक बदलणं, हाच माणसामाणसांनी एकत्र येण्यासाठी शक्य असलेला एकमेव मार्ग आहे." - P.L.Deshpande.
For the whole write up, click on this old thread - http://www.ryze.com/postdisplay.php?messageid=3240213&confid=3266
Cheers~
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 03, 2009 5:14 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Ambika Kulshrestha | | To summarize, I do not discredit the good intentions of Raj till date as I believe he has the potential to be a great leader if he avoids the politics of supporting vandalism as I think there are other ways and means in a democratic process to get across the point of view. We need leaders like Chandrababu Naidu and Obama or for that matter any visionary who develops the state and the country in the process holistically. I thank the participants in this discussion for sharing their point of view and with this I think we can close this discussion thread. Private Reply to Ambika Kulshrestha | | Sep 04, 2009 2:30 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | :) Private Reply to Maddy | | Sep 16, 2009 10:56 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # | 
Subhash Gajare | |
Please STOP INCOMING in MUMBAI..!!!
Whether they are from Bihar, UP, Rest of Maharashtra Or somewhere else.
But if the INCOMING is UNLIMITED from UP and BIHAR, please put a Bar on that..!!!!!
Private Reply to Subhash Gajare | | Sep 16, 2009 11:05 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Adesh Navkudkar | | Vacha ani tanda basa.
http://www.nagpurpulse.com/news/nirupam-seeks-seats-north-indiansPrivate Reply to Adesh Navkudkar | | Sep 16, 2009 11:12 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Subhash Gajare | |
Marathi Manasech Marathi Manasanna kase Virodh karatat tyache he Udaharan aahe..!!
"UP" ani "Bihar" Wale Ji kahi Power Dakhwat aahet tyache karan Marathi Manasanchi Ek-mekanvishayichi Irsha ani Marathi Manasanchi Aapapsat Asaleli Bhandane aahet..!!Private Reply to Subhash Gajare | | Sep 16, 2009 1:00 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # | 
Ravindra Jadhav | | Udhav and Raj should come together. As Nikhil Wagle suggested Udhav has good adminstrative quality and Raj has leadership quality, if they come together Marathi Mansache bhale hoil.
R.G.Jadhav Private Reply to Ravindra Jadhav | | Sep 17, 2009 7:14 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
Maddy | | From the link given byu Aadesh....
"Congress MP Sanjay Nirupam has demanded that his party should field north Indian candidates from at least 35 of the 60 constituencies in Thane and Mumbai in the forthcoming Maharashtra assembly elections. He said that a majority of population in Mumbai and Thane was of north Indians, who had migrated either from Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and other states and settled there."
Hmmmm.....and Ambikaji and others may please tell us what is Marathi Maanus supposed to do about this political advent of the north Indians on Maharashtra.....
- Maddy.Private Reply to Maddy | | Nov 30, 2009 7:26 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Write-up on Mr Raj Thackeray in Mumbai Mirror | # |
vihang kathe | |
dear friends ,
i am more worried on the influx of bangladeshis and pakistanis in mumbai and other parts of india .
why dont raj thackeray raise there voices againsts them .
this is just a vote bank politics . MNS or for that matter any political party cant change it for us .
we have to remember that a king is a public servant . and the politicians are our servants . we pay there salaries with the taxes we pay . and hence the public has a great power to change things .
we have to understand that we dont have threat from bihari or UP brothers but our threats is across the borders .
lets unite and join forces to fight that threat . and lets ask raj thackeray to raise a voice against bangladeshis in mumbai .
only then would i believe he is a real changemaker until that time lets wait and watch .
jai hind , jai maharashtra .
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