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Old news in some parts of the world, but innovative in the USViews: 278
Dec 07, 2009 3:19 amOld news in some parts of the world, but innovative in the US#

Ken Hilving

There's a lot of folks talking crap about Americans taking action on environmental issues. While it isn't yet mainstream, and it is illegal in most places thanks to building codes and three generations of centralized utilities, and most of us are more inclined to sit on our ass than take personal action, there is a growing movement that might reduce dependance on fossil fuel, reduce water consumption, and promote organic food production.

Now if we can only get government out of the way...

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Dec 07, 2009 6:41 amre: Old news in some parts of the world, but innovative in the US#

Thomas Holford
More deep thinking from the "deep ecology" movement.

One of the canons of their church holds that there are too many humans on the planet, and that five billion or more of them need to go away.

I keep suggesting to them that they set the example, but I get the impression that they think they're the ones that should be left to reside in the spacious Eden that remains when the rest of US are gone.

T. Holford

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Dec 07, 2009 1:43 pmre: re: Old news in some parts of the world, but innovative in the US#

Scott Wolpow
If they set this up with all the politicians, that alone would provide tons and tons of fertilizer. We know they are made of it.

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Dec 10, 2009 3:44 amre: re: re: Old news in some parts of the world, but innovative in the US#

Ron Sam
Jenkins is a bit late on the humanure idea.

How can you beat an idea that's truly "sustainable" and is over 4000 years old?

""It's clear to me that Asians have been more advanced than the western world in this regard. And they should be, since they've been working on developing sustainable agriculture for four thousand years on the same land. For four thousand years those people have worked the same land with little or no chemical fertilizers and, in many cases, have produced greater crop yields than western farmers, who are quickly destroying the soils of their own countries through depletion and erosion. ""

Although the agricultural use of raw human excrement will never become a common practice in the US, the use of composted human refuse, including humanure, food refuse, and other organic municipal refuse such as leaves, can and should become a widespread and culturally encouraged practice in the United States. The act of composting humanure instead of using it raw will set Americans apart from Asians in regard to the recycling of human excrements, for we too will have to constructively deal with all of our organic by-products eventually. We can put it off, but not forever. As it stands now, at least many of the Asians are recycling much of their organic discards. We're not.

read entire article here:

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Dec 10, 2009 4:29 pmre: re: re: re: Old news in some parts of the world, but innovative in the US#

Ken Hilving
It is unfortunate that the "green revolution" that has fed so many people world wide is based on literally eating fossil fuels.

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