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Jan 18, 2010 6:41 pmGoogle and China#

Rob Gordon

Posted this on my blog at www.CalTrade.com/news

It reflects my opinion that the dispute between Google and the Chinese government should be considered a free trade issue.  What do you think?

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China has unilaterally declared that their depute with Google over censorship and strong evidence of government sponsored hacking will not affect U.S. Trade relations, but do they get to make that call?  

“Any decision made by Google will not affect Sino-U.S. trade and economic relations, as the two sides have many ways to communicate and negotiate with each other,” Chinese government spokesman Yao Jian told a news briefing in Beijing.

Well of course the two sides have many ways to communicate with each other – that is not the point. If one party to a trade agreement censors and blocks the content of the other party, then of course it should it should be a trade issue.  In the tit for tat world of diplomacy, if they block the content from one of our companies, then shouldn’t we block one of theirs?

California buys a huge amount of Chinese imports, but they don’t by nearly as many of our exports. One of our strongest industries in the movie industry – but only 20 foreign films are even allowed to be shown in that country each year. The rest of the movies we produce here are simply pirated (i.e. stolen) there, Can you imagine if we said to China, “we will only allow the products from 20 of your manufacturers in our country each year”. Now they are blocking, and possibly even attacking, one of California’s other great industries – Internet services.

It is not at all disrespectful to China to expect our government to respond to blocking and censorship with reciprocal actions that affect Chinese companies. That is how a mature trade relationship works. Mr. Yao Jian has it wrong. This is exactly the kind of thing that should affect trade and economic relations – this is a trade issue.

UPDATE: Evidence that the Obama Administration may be looking at these blocking and censorship issues from a more sensible “fair trade” perspective, might be found in a speech Secretary of State Clinton plans to give on the issue on Thursday. From a column by Andrew Ross in today’s San Francisco Chronicle:

“The Internet is integral to the international trading system,” said Ed Black, CEO of the Computer & Communications Industry Association, who is scheduled to meet with Clinton on the matter this week. “China cannot limit the free flow of information and still comply with its international trade obligations.” “You can’t lecture the Chinese on human rights,” said another industry executive. “You won’t get anywhere with that. So, it’s best to treat it as a trade issue.”

Should the administration go that route, it will enlarge the can of U.S.-China worms already growing around the latter’s increasingly protectionist economic policies. “Greater control of the Internet is part of a wholesale tightening up of the Chinese economy,” said an executive with a high-tech trade organization that is also due to meet with Clinton. “It’s about protecting domestic industries and pushing indigenous innovation. But they’re doing it in blatantly discriminatory, brazenly unfair ways.”

 

 

 

Private Reply to Rob Gordon

Jan 18, 2010 8:48 pmre: Google and China#

Peter Heavey
Hi folks,

A really serious issue...

I guess the US will make a lot of noise to placate its citizens. However the big G is a commercial enterprise that has many ideas above its station and should learn to negotiate its position in the world.
Have the other major SEs got involved?

Should China not have the right to decide what it wants - just like the rest of the world?

Whether we agree with it is not the question we should be asking, more to the point perhaps is in an overall humanitarian view about the conduct of their society. As an example they have 'run-out' of female partners as a result of their earlier birth control policy.

I feel that minding our own stall in these difficult times is hard enough - why the need to divert the spotlight.

Grinning and bearing the pain of family economic downturn.

Wishing you every success.

Peter Heavey - CEO thendt Network

Private Reply to Peter Heavey

Jan 18, 2010 9:03 pmre: re: Google and China#

Rob Gordon
Hi Peter,

I understand what you are saying but lecturing China on human rights is even worse in my opinion, by making this a fair trade issue we could presumably talk to each other as rational adults. For example, if they block or censor one of our Internet companies shouldn't we be able to block or censor one of theirs? One of our successful industries is movies - but China is only allows 20 foreign films there each year. One of China's most successful industries is manufacturing. Should we only allow 20 Chinese manufacturing companies to do business in the U.S. each year? I know that will never happen. I'm just saying...

Rob

p.s. Good luck surviving the downturn.

Private Reply to Rob Gordon

Jan 18, 2010 10:13 pmre: Google and China#

William Dunhour
Just a point, the imports from China are actual from US companies operating their manufacturing facilities in China. If the US Govt want to get involved it should remove the tax breaks that these companies are receiving. Of course the cry would arise that they could not afford to manufacture elsewhere and be competitive but China would then feel the need to rethink how it trades with other nations. Slap those crying pampered US corporate execs across their collective faces.

This also shows a difference between how the government of a communistic country and a democratic one act towards business.

Private Reply to William Dunhour

Jan 18, 2010 10:47 pmre: re: Google and China#

Rob Gordon
They are talking about this on NPR right now. There is a pattern in China of constantly working to "transfer innovation" and censorship/blocking is just one of the tools they use for this. An example they gave was Twitter - after they blocked this service, the Chinese government built its own Twitter clone by reverse engineering Twitter. I think there is more to this story than we know - and Chinese hackers - almost certainly government sponsored, are becoming a big problem.

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