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Raavana..Views: 1128
Jun 09, 2010 12:18 pmRaavana..#

Bratzy
Howz that going to be.............?

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Jun 10, 2010 4:08 pmre: Raavana..#

Muralidharan Bashyam
Correction

There is no film by named Raavana.

Its Ravanan in Tamil and Ravan in Hindi.

Sari sari dont bite your teeth.......

I am escape...

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Jun 17, 2010 3:17 amre: re: Raavana..#

Kanchana Ravichandran
The Preview for the movie was in London. Looked n looked for our dear own Charu out there in all that glitz n glamour n was disappointed! From all that I have been hearing n seeing this movie is gonna be a sooper soopero hit.

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Jun 17, 2010 10:42 amre: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
I wish the movie all success.

I have a theory though. When a movie or any event is wrapped with tremendous hype, I usually think the event will have its own kinks that the common man would find it difficult to appreciate.

I am in all hopes that this theory is beaten to death by Raavan.

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Jun 17, 2010 4:24 pmre: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Kanchana Ravichandran
It will be or u will be. ;)

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Jun 20, 2010 9:44 amre: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

padmanabhan ramasubban
Ravanan/Ravan is released with lot of hype and everyday this one actor or that one actor talks about it .

The promos part appears to be overdone resulting in high expectations about the movie.


The reviews I read say it is a good movie but not the best of maniratnam!

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Jun 20, 2010 12:26 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
I think it ( my review, yes I saw it on Saturday)can be put.

First in a sentence,
I WAS CORRECT.

Never go to a movie on a the first week of release when there is so much of hype to it.

This movie DID not stand to any expectation one would have when going to watch Mani's movie( I have made Mani Ratnam as Mani, assuming I am going to address by first name through out this piece).

First of all, the director, Mani, needs to come to terms on the baseline story on which he is going to spin his version. What I mean is, as a director with a view he should have been convinced 200% about the characters and the story he is going to spin around them. From what I saw, I think he did not.

In the movie, I could NOT see the distinctness of Mani.
Not the Mani who gave Anjali, not the one who gave us nayakan,mumbai,roja. Not even the Mani who gave us GURU.

Instead I could see the director, who wanted to do shine on his old glories instead of brining something stron and powerful.

I will chide him for the selection of actors. But for Vikram and priya mani none, no one , zilch had anything to do with acting.

We will go through the direction without revealing the story a litte later.

A paragraph or two about each actor and acting.

Viram - you should do a lot better. I did not see the vikram I saw in the RadAAn Tele movie where you had acted with Radhika shot in England. I did not see the vikram I had seen on many of the other movies. Instead I saw a main character, not a strong villian, not a strong hero either, failing to establish ground. There were no defining moment that will make this your film either, except the finale.

Aishwarya- You should stop acting. You are beautiful, fair, good for probably the western eyes looking at Indian girls. But it is just that. I did not see the aishwarya I saw from the first movie you acted, not even the one from the Ajith, mammooty starrer. Your pathos in the second one was lot more than you showed as Ragini in Ravannan. I think you should see all Jaya bachan's movies and learn how a heroine can be strong and effective, esp guddi and anamika.

Prabhu- you should stop acting in these type of roles. You are not good at these kind, you are best as a light hero or a police officer, That's it. I would say, you should see all of your dad's non-hero movies again and again and again, to see how a hero took a bold step to become a supporting actor.

Karthik- you have never acted in any movie except Gokulathil Seethai. Even there you character was beautifully supported by the heroine and the dad character. It is time you move away from movies. Your days of acting probably is done.

Prithivi Raj- mmmmhmmmmmmm.... You are best suited for the role you played in Abhiyum nAnum. You neither have the "getthu" to be in a police role nor can you fight.

There were no actors other than these to mention in this movie

Rest in Next

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Jun 20, 2010 12:59 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
Now to the director and the rest of the important people in the movie.

ManiRatnam - Like I had said in my previous post I will address you as Mani. Where have you gone? Like I had said before, I did not see the Mani I saw in movies like Nayagan, Anjali and Roja. Have you lost the midas touch?

Frankly, how far were you convinced of the storyline that you had thought of. Were you under any pressure from the religious fanatics to not give your fullest version of a age old story. Or you believed the story as what it originally was, that the Rama is the good guy, the Ravana is the bad guy and that seetha was a very nimble person with no strong personality?

what was your idea? Were you pressurized by the fact that the hindi version and the tamil version should the same storyline that it became difficult to put your views different for different audiences?

How could you select prithvi raj and aishwarya for acting such roles? If I had the choice, I would have suggested Simran to rAgini's role. She can at least act. And Arvindsamy for the police officer. We have seen him in that role and we know what he is capable of.

Did you do a dry run for all the fights? How much did avatAAr influence you for all those dramatic jump scenes?

you seem to have taken the elitist approach in directing this movie. Were you not ready to do the film for common man? The hindi version probably was lot better than the tamil with that kind of direction.

Why is the editing so bad in the movie? Scene to Scene there is no continuity. The songs were not in full and easy to listen.

Now to SuhAsini -

SuhAsini dear, you are extremely good behind the camera. You had done a wonderful job in those tele serials that you had directed that I have watched. You were a decent actress. The roles in Nenjathai killAdhae and pAlaivana chOlai and the sivakumar starrer were deep and well done. You need lot more experience to write dialogs. I would go to say dialog writing is not your forte.

To ARRahman-

experimentation is good. But if we are going to do one music for two different versions of a movie, you are treading on audience foot. And it has started paining. Please spend more time and give us the music that you gave in that prabhu, arvindsamy starrer

And thus spake Ganesh about rAvaNan

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Jun 20, 2010 4:04 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

SOEB FATEHI
so much importance to utterly useless things . . . .

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Jun 21, 2010 2:26 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Anu M
Ganesh,

First of all.. Ravanan (Tamil version) was technically brilliant in my opinion. The skill lies in telling a simple straightforward story in a unique way.

Tell me honestly, if any other director had attempted the same story line, the way they made the story board would be totally different. It would definitely have infinite fight sequences (defying laws of physics), one or two item numbers, Couple of Chases and the heroine would mostly be a dummy with a couple of romantic songs with hero.

I was so disappointed watching latest movies in Tamil (So many to name). Same predictable story lines that has been beaten to death over.

Ravanan was so refreshing for me from all that.

Highlights : Cinematography, story sequencing, character references from ramayana yet the story is so much different from it. I think its more an inspiration from ramayana rather than reinterpreting the story itself.

Negative :prithvi's acting could have been better. He did not match the role. Ash's potrayal could have been better.

Ganesh, Why is that the songs have to be in the traditional indian movie format played in full with dance sequence and so on.. I loved the fact that the songs merged with the story line. I welcome the refreshing change from the others.

Also, I was not happy with the way you have put down everyone possible who is associated with the movie.
I thought Vikram did a very decent job, Prabhu could have done better, Karthik was really good, Priya mani, given the number of frames she was in, did a decent work. Suhasini has also done a decent work with the dialogues.
I really liked where there are a lot of instances she makes the viewers understand indirectly (ex: Vikram conveying his affection for Ash)

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Jun 21, 2010 12:02 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
Anu girl,
my two posts about Ravanan is connected to what I have said in my earlier post.

For one, if you had read our SD thread , you would have seen that these epics have gotten their share of pounding as well as praise.

The cinematography like you had said was brilliant. But a repetition of the same greenery over and over again becomes annoying. One feels that ideas were plucked out of avataar.

The editing was extremely bad. Here are some scenes which have raised some questions.

1) Why did Raagini come in a boat all by herself? is this a reference to seethA walking out of the kudil? Does not Gel

2)The inspector hears a gun shot while starting to shave and washes his face to go ahead and capture veera, but the next scene he fights with a clean shaven face.

3) All the rest of the cast look vastly dirtied living and hunting in forest. The inspector is always clean and so is raagini.

4) Raagini comes in a train to the village, and suddenly withing 14 days starts talking colloquial tamizh

5) Raagini suddenly sports Hawaii chappals.

6) The character of raagini is deep but has been made as side role by Aishwarya's acting

7) Looks like vikram and santhosh sivan defended the storyline against Big B 's tweets. But that explanation though convincing did not translate into the movie.

8)Mani did fail in bringing the best of Vikram, other directors have done better. Vikram is capable of doing lot more. Repeating the same words for 5 seconds and therefore wasting about 700 frames is not acting. He shines only in the last few frames when he doubts raagini .

9) Audience who are used to seeing the zee tv serials might like the hindi version. Yes the movie took a deep nose dive as a non-stop teleserial (without ads) and that is why the disconitnuity between scenes failed the movie.

10) I have never watched priyamani acting. therefore I found her living upto what her character was.

11) Like I have said, Mani has tried to live his past glory in this movie. Frame by frame one can relate to one of his old movies nothing new.

12) Suhasini has tried. Her way of writing is like a dialog writer who can do well in slapstick comedy. Now I am not saying writing slapstick comedy is easy. But that way of dialog writing does not suit a serious subject like ravanan

Of course you should also read our own " A Ryze Chennai Presentation" at Chennai Presentationfor a better storyline and actually contribute to that. After starting that story I know how difficult it is for a common man to understand one's though process. Professionals in the field of mass communication should understand that first.

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Jun 21, 2010 3:22 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

charu hasan
No comments on the film. but Ganesh I had been an actor and now thrown out as misfit. I would love to hear your views as charu the actor as how inferior to the stupid man who writes his views in Ryze.

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Jun 21, 2010 4:11 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Anu M
Ganesh,

I agree with you that the movie does not match Mani rathnam's previous master pieces.

I didnot like Guru. But comparing Ravanan with other movies of his.. then this movie does not score at all.

If you read my reply, it only defends the movie from the standpoint that it was far refreshing from the dominating Masala movie genre in Tamil cinema.

Yup. I agree with your complaints about editing. I think that the shots changed too fast. progression was too fast and the everything was given a minimalistic approach. So It was tough to assimilate very minimal information very fast.

He has tried probably a new minimalistic style but could not see that from the standpoint of a common man.

Charu anna,

No one is inferior in thought or action. No one is inferior because he makes a mistake or does something different from others. Its your own conclusion of other's evaluation that makes you think you are inferior

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Jun 21, 2010 4:25 pm Ravan#

s venkatesan
I went to see Abhishek, he was really done full justice to his rule...
Movies are for entertainment, u pay money to forget the outside world and go to the world of the movies, how the director takes u thro' does he allow u to see logic, if so then he is not a director...the movie has to be action packed with fights songs etc... the time pass should be quick and entertaining.
If movie goers want to bisect a movie , why is that we do not do of all the so called English movies, like Avatar etc..

Ash was not good at all only in certain scene she was good...

Vikram did a good job as a police officer,

The suprise package was Govinda , he played his role to the hilt...

So did Ravi Kishen acting the role of Prabhu....he did very good job..

AR Rahman music was not top class, but the cinematographic was top class, the places where the movie was taken was real breath taking places...

There is no story just a simple drama of kidnapping and the human emotions in each scenes was the highlight of the movie...
Mani has brought his usual stamp of rains, darkness etc...

Mani had really taken to task all the actors, who gave their heart and soul for this movie...

All said and done the movie was really worth watching for me

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Jun 22, 2010 5:01 amre: Ravan#

Lavanya Karalkar
Venkatesan,

you too gone for Hindi Ravan? Too bad when semmozhi maanadu is taking place and you a pachai tamizhan (thamizar does not sound good na) going and seeing Hindi movie when Tamizh Ravanan is very much available and I am not tamizh one is far better than the Hindi only due to acting of Vikram.

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Jun 22, 2010 12:25 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
Charu,
of all the actors that have been a supporting actor and acted as a pathetic gaurdian that I can think of, you stand at the end of the line. That does not mean anything bad. But it means there were better supporting , pathetic and /or father character actors.

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Jun 22, 2010 1:14 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Lavanya Karalkar
GR that shows you have missed some great movies of Charu

eg vedam pudithu and the movie where he acted as a retiree trying to get his pension.

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Jun 22, 2010 4:37 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Muralidharan Bashyam
I cannot forget Mr. Charu

A Typical brahmin father in movie Thalapathi

That too when he makes Mamooty anguish by asking casually

Yaru paiyan

Yaru Ponnu

And about Mani's latest movie

When Baba was a super flop people talked this is not as good as Basha. I used to say Basha was a best of Rajini and you cannot compare Baba with Basha.

Likewise, You cannot simply compare Anjali,Nayagan,Roja with this Ravanan. Because all has unique base subject.

But here i want to share one thing, Mani Ratnam showed a short time love story in Mouna ragam. That time it was accepted. But you cannot expect audience all the time to wear your shoes at watch a movie. In that sense, here Ravanan misses the mass.

There is no strong line to emphasis or argue that Ragini need to go back to Ravan just because she was suspected her virginity by her lovable husband. Despite she would have committed suicide by jumping of from the train. Here Indian women will not take these kind of decisions. May be we can see few girls in Kadhai alla Nijam.

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Jun 23, 2010 2:31 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

padmanabhan ramasubban
Hmm.........

lot of view points and many counter points.

Is holly wood any better when it comes to churning out mediocre to outright lousy movies wasting billions of green backs?

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Jun 23, 2010 3:52 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
I think LK and Murali are highlighting Charu's performance in two movies. I am saying of all the father and support roles that I have seen by various actors , charu is at the end of the line. That is a comparison of charu with others doing such father figure roles.

IMO, an actor should have the following,
1) A good body language that suits the character
eg Sivaji in Thevar magan

2) An highly rated facial expression
eg Poornam viswanathan, V S Raghavan

3) An excellent dialog delivery
eg Manivannan, Poornam viswanathan in many of the movies they acted as a father

Now, for an actor to have the first two , he or she should have worked in a lot of films. It has a lot to do with standing before a camera and making yourself the character. The third one needs a lot of stage and/or directorial experience. To communicate in first person to a live audience helps in the ups and downs of a dialog and the rendering situation.

Charu's experiece as a lawyer helps him a lot to do the dialog delivery. That is what you see in Thalapathy and Vedham pudhidhu. Like Manivannan, charu's expressions are bland but the dialog delivery compensates. Manivannan scores more because of is directorial background.

This has nothing to do with Ravan.

Charu as an actor asked me to say a few words and I did.

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Jun 23, 2010 3:58 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
PR,

My review was purely based on what I had said in my first post in this thread. That a movie with such a hype does not reach the common man and does not cater for the mass audience.

There was thread that ran when dasavatharam was released. Bratzy had showered her full length of disappointment about Kamal in that thread. The same story, the cinema did not live upto the hype it had created.

It has no comparison to hollywood movies at all.

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Jun 23, 2010 4:00 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

padmanabhan ramasubban
GR,

No offence meant to you.

But see in hollywood also there is lot of hard sell of many movies and it raises the bar to make the expectations levels also correspondingly high.

People come to watch movies with certain expectations but it never meets the extra high build up done by the promos.

That is all!

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Jun 23, 2010 4:03 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

SOEB FATEHI
worth considering stopping making, exhibiting and watching of all films so that nobody needs to think so much and argue so much about things . . . .

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Jun 24, 2010 1:11 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

padmanabhan ramasubban
Some times the movies are not worth watching even on pirated DVD!

But the movie industry can indulge in plagiarising and blatant
copying which is after all termed as inspiration!

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Jul 09, 2010 6:11 am re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Bratzy
thanks dear all for the reviews.. havent seen. no time.

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Jul 09, 2010 7:45 amre: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Lavanya Karalkar
Bratzy, how is USA?

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Jul 09, 2010 7:59 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Vijaylakshmi Vardan


The Hindi version bombed. For an accurate commentary on RAVAN (Hindi), please read OPEN magazine's review of the movie by TR Vivek.

Mani Sir wants to pander to the PAN-Indian tastes. But he should stick to the milieu that he knows best - chennai and Tamil culture that he knows best.

But that is what fame does to people. You start playing to the gallery.

I think AR Rahman's music for tamil films has lost his touch and is too plebian. Whereas his Hindi films have had great music (Lagan etc).

What has happened to ARR has happened to Mani Sir too, alas that is the cost of fame.

The reviews of the Tamiol version of RAAVANA were very good. I am talking about the honest reviewers, like in Indian Express and India Today.

VV

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Jul 09, 2010 9:05 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Lavanya Karalkar
Just what mattered was the acting abilties of Vikram and Abhishek - and that is why the Pappa Bachan jumped to bachao his bacha na?

But still I feel both in Hindi and Tamil there are somes touches of Mani Ratnam that excels.

I have tried to see both Ravan and Raavana.

Could not get through the whole movie, at one sitting though.

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Jul 09, 2010 10:52 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Raavana..#

Ganesh Ram
The tamil version reviews are good IMO because, we in the southern states esp Tamil Nadu have seen the original epic character of Ravan as a hero of that great epic in many instances while all states to west and North of TNAdu have not.

The character of Ravan acted by the great Tamil actor of yesteryears in Sampoorna RamayaNam made many of us in the south look at RavaNan as a character beyond a villian. This was supported well by showing the ravanan character as a good man at bad times by RS Manohar's Lankeswaran stage drama.

To know more about how this and other epics were discussed in CNK one should skim the Sanathana Dharma threads ( a five year running thread)

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