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The Real Issue with current outdoor Warning Systems: FrequencyViews: 293
Jun 23, 2010 1:49 pmThe Real Issue with current outdoor Warning Systems: Frequency#

Richard Weisenberger
The real issue here isn't that the newer sirens are necessarily cheaply made. The manufacturers are doing their best to provide the maximum dB rating at 100 feet using the least HP or kW. It is much easier to accomplish this at higher frequencies. By using higher frequencies you don't need as large of horns with low cutoff frequencies and generally the power requirements can also be lower, as greater directivity indices can be achieved in a smaller space. This is particularly the case with the 360 degree radial horn arrays seen on some electronic units, as they are already of immense size.

The problem is that achieving an x number of dB at 100 feet really tells you very little of how well the unit will perform in real world conditions at a distance, involving frequency dependent losses related to atmospheric absorption and penetration of common construction materials. We already know that some manufacturers only test their units in anechoic chambers and interpolate how they might perform from a distance.

Even when you reach the usable outdoor 70 dB radius, you still have to contend with additional losses of up to 55 dB or more due to trying to penetrate masonry walls of buildings. Due to this, a 70 dB outdoor radius is no longer effective for indoor penetration. To rate all units on an equal basis, we might consider a distance, such as 1 mile, in which the measured SPL is in excess of 70 dB. It will start becoming apparent at this distance that lower frequencies are in fact more effective. It will become even more apparent from greater distances, such as 2 miles, for any source that can still supply the required output. In all cases the higher frequencies are always the first to go. It is first noticeable in the upper harmonics.

A frequency spectrum that peaks below 500 Hz will lose significantly fewer dB with distance to begin with than a frequency spectum that peaks around 1 kHz, especially when the distance is great. We are not simply talking about the fundamental frequencies here, but the effective frequency due to the spectrum of the tone with all of its harmonics, which effectively increases the fundamental frequency by up to a factor of 1.4.

There is also at least 5 dB less loss for 500 Hz penetrating common construction materials than at 1 kHz. This is the very reason the older sirens can be heard in places the newer ones cannot. It's not a matter of manufacturing quality, but a matter of acoustics and physics.

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Jun 23, 2010 3:25 pmre: The Real Issue with current outdoor Warning Systems: Frequency#

Richard Weisenberger
Here is something I believe more of you can relate to, since everyone has experienced it, but have you ever questioned it?

Have you ever noticed that when you hear a jet up close, the whine from the turbines can be deafening, while at a distance you hear only the roar? Even in nature, a nearby lightning strike cracks like a cannon, while at 2 miles away or more you hear mainly the rumble.

Speaking of cannons, they sound a lot different at 2 miles than at 1000 feet and I'm not just talking about the obvious reduction in sound level. The sound actually mellows from a sharp crack to a dull boom. This is what this discussion is all about. The higher frequencies may sound louder from up close but they don't have the carrying power of the lower frequencies.

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