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CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??Views: 1429
Mar 24, 2005 9:26 pmCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal

CAS - Conditional Access System (Virus plaguing our TVs)

CAS has been subjected to chennai alone and we poor people suffer alone in this country without any bleak entertainment on our Idiot boxes.

What do you have to say? Do vent your anger here. If you have any ideas, this is the place for it.

Go and use this thread to say anything about CAS in Chennai...

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Mar 24, 2005 11:06 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
its been ages since i watched a good English movie or a good sports show on the TV.. like i tell you harish.. this Chennai is a god forbidden place..why blame chennai?? the bloody CAS implemented by the sick politicians
God get me out of this place!!!

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Mar 25, 2005 3:34 amre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Where The MIND is Without FEAR
HMMMM, warming up on issues, very good....this is the second time someone is talking about cas in Ryze, first i think it was AArthi in chennai network, now it in WCFC
k, anyone ready yo bell the cat,
a.go to the court, get it stayed
b.write to TRAI, copy to PM, Sonia Gandhi,and the press/ write to CM
c.go get your set top box
d.get used to CAS

ok,
folks, have a fantastic weekend,

karthik

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Mar 25, 2005 8:55 amre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

Why anyone Palani? We have a advocate in ryze who is very much in Chennai and who even is the advocate for none other than the Devil himself.. I am one for going for stay this stupid CAS..how many would like to follow me?

Mr. Govind ..Please arrange to show an openion poll on the top of this board in animated form preferabley in blue or red fonts big enough to catch anyone's eyesight. We shall make out a representation signed by as many as possible and send the same to TRAI, Chief Minister, President etc and even rope in some of the reporters from the board..

This will be our first action plan..what say Govind?

LK(g)

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Mar 25, 2005 11:56 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Aa@rt!
Well...so much has been said about this..i tried getting a whole bunch of ppl roped in to protest against this but nothing happened...Merely bcos its all in the hands of Mr Maran and they seem to be having a good year with some people actually giving in and shelling out 5k and buying a set top box..
I wonder why the Center is not doing anything cos Chennai is the only city in the entire nation that has been subjected to such a horrible experience...
sob sob..
Plus am spending more on Vcd's n DVD's cos how else am i to keep myself entertained when at home and nothing else to do...

:)

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Mar 25, 2005 3:36 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal

Does anybody have any contacts with any media person in Chennai ( newspaper journalists \ editors \ TV media)??

We can rake up the issue with them and see how it goes?
Bring it back to the forefront and see how it goes. We shall than try to take it from there.

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Mar 25, 2005 3:53 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
i can help you post our opinions in dhinathandhi- the tamil daily. i know the editor there... requires translation which iam not good at..any of you guys can help??..lemee check with a friend of mine from Hindu. will let you know by tuesday.

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Mar 25, 2005 4:42 pmre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar
Wonderful Gokul.. let us rope in some from Media. Wemay try Charuhasan to take up this issue with media.

LK(g)

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Mar 27, 2005 6:13 amre: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

Gokul Rama..we are waiting...


LK(g)

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Mar 27, 2005 7:57 amre: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Where The MIND is Without FEAR
If we are quite serious on the issue , we can look into legal remedies, let the advocate look into the legal measures available. going to the rpess and other options might get us the mileage, but not our work done.....
lets hear the option from the lawyer......
karthik

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Mar 27, 2005 8:15 amre: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar
yes Devil..come out of your slumber...


LK(g)

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Mar 27, 2005 9:00 am re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
if we don't go to the press than i firmly believe our Bhishma- SOEB sir should guide us here.
What yu say Soeb ji??

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Mar 27, 2005 9:50 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

Gokul rama..getting legal openion does not dissolve you of your duty to take up with the press na>

LK(g)

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Mar 27, 2005 12:52 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
i sure would do that anycase.. i am meeting this friend ( Rajesh) tuesday morning. he is coming back to chennai only monday eve..
sounds good??? no qualms mmm..

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Mar 27, 2005 5:11 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar
Gokul rama.. if possible invite him for the fufa meet and he can have business with pleasure.. he can be our guest and then report too. what say ..govind and friends?

LK(g)

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Mar 29, 2005 1:16 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
hey LK ( g)..as promised i called this guy Rajesh from Hindu,,he was half awake when i called him.. just landed Chennai after his vacation in Munnaar.
he shud get back to me either today or tomorrow .. will keep ya posted

C.. i dont elude this resp..

cheers!!

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Mar 29, 2005 4:07 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar
Gokul raman aka saappattu rama aka susuruppu rama..thanks
I hope with members like you, WCFC is going to go places..(going to go is Golti way of putting things.. are you going to go to station vasugaru?..how nice it sounds seegaru?)

Where is our legal man> Legal man and media man please start something.

LK(g)

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Mar 29, 2005 7:32 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

deVil's @dVocate;-)
Hey LKg, looks like my head's been rolling a bit here!! rendu naal oorla illenna ipdiya?? the madras high court passed an order sometime back which actually enforces the CAS regime in madras. i've been trying the whole today to get the full text of the order n see what we can do abt it. will post a detailed note once i get it.

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Mar 30, 2005 2:11 amCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
Questions :

Is the right to FREE entertainment a fundamental right enshrined in the Constitution of India?

Is film (and soap opera) and other entertainment a basic and fundamental need for human survival (equal to roti, kapda and makaan)?

Even roti, kapda and makaan is not free. "There is no such thing in the world known as a free lunch," my father always told me. Television is Media. Just like any other form.

Do you buy a newspaper? Do you buy a magazine?
Do you choose which one to buy? If you do not find it interesting to read, are you able to return it to the vendor and get a refund voucher? Do you have a package deal where for a lump sum price you can get all magazines available with your vendor?

Do you watch a film in a cinema house? Do you . . . . . .

Do you catch a bus or a rickshaw and go to Marina Beach on a holiday with your children (grandchildren maybe)? Do you buy a ticket to ride . . . . .

Do you go to Tirupathi? Do you apply for darshan passes in advance? Do you pay the charges and the fees levied by the authorities to cover their costs and activities?

Do you go to the Mar Thoma Cathedral? Do you collect FREE candles to place on the alter there? Do you get additional candles FREE to carry back home for a power failure?

Do you buy a walkman or a pocket MP3 player? Do you get a lifetime supply of Cassette Tapes or CDs free with the purchase?

Do you go for vacations to Munnar or Ooty? Do you get to bring back as much tea as you please all FREE?

Stop wasting productive national man houres on this silly debate and get engrossed in hard work (see how LK(g) Pathway Group Never Stops working, day or night, sun or rain!). Earn an honest livelihood. Set aside for the future after meeting your basic needs and your CAS bills!

Dont crib about why the Chinese have licked the shit out of you! They work, work and work. After that they work again and do more work. Next they do still more work!

Dont crib about why Indians hold high office in the USA but dont own Mac Donalds and Microsoft. The ownwers of Ford and IBM never asked for handouts!









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Mar 30, 2005 2:19 amCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
Once Little Johnny peeped through the hole in the fence and saw lush green fields and beautiful streams flowing through them. He saw cows grazing and lambs frolicking in the sun.

He climbed over and landed right there.

He tried to play with the lambs but just then a big huge German Shepherd told him, "GO AWAY!"

He tried to touch and caress the cows, but the big bull wouldnt have it at all.

He tried to pluck a blade of grass and the farmer showed him the signboard, "Keep Off The Grass!"

He wanted to swim in the stream but the sign said, "Please do not disturb the fish."

He went back home and told his father all that had happened.

His father shook his head slowly and explained to him, "Look son, do you know that the farmer there owns the place? Do you know that . . . . . . . "




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Mar 30, 2005 1:29 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
Soeb sir.. i simply disagree with you..

Morning papers are'nt complimentary, any vacation is'nt free, there is always a price tag on whatever we want..AGREED
but why is this lop-sided treatment for channels alone.. Do you know anyother place in India where this is restricted.. Are we cockeyed, forbidden and proscribed??
How many days can we spend seeing the hilarious Fourth umpire shows and lousy DD coverages?? Ofcourse there are good channels even now but dont you think we are getting outdated on lot of aspects and happenings around the world??
If we chennaites are as despicable as mere worms then excuse me.. we got to rise up and squall...

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Mar 30, 2005 3:06 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

sushi krishnamoorthi
That is the spirit Gokul Ram. Even soeb wrote all those lines only to provoke you me and all chennaites. Why such biased treatment only to chennai just because we were the first to abide by Government guidelines. Gokulram please take up with your friend and Mukund also can use what he studied.

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Mar 30, 2005 4:05 pmre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
thanks sushiji for the support.. Iam going to call my friend tomorrow even if he doesnt get back to me.. i will try my best on this..
weekends are real boring ns without ESPN and star sports.. trust me..

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Mar 30, 2005 4:10 pmCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
Why should i provoke anyone? I am provoked into thinking insanely instead.

Instead i am now thinking of what would happen if everyone behaved like Chennaikars.

In Karnataka people will agitate because their children are not protected against the evils of alcohol like the children in Gujarat are due to prohibition.

In Orissa people will agitate before the UAE embassy to demand a quote system because Kerala takes away all the work visas.

In Rajasthan people will want to get Sawai Madhopured like people get Hyderabaded, Gurgaoned and Bangalored.

In Bengal Mamata will demand an equal share of jokes about Bengalis because they are fed up with having to listen to thirteen jokes in every dozen about Sardarjis.

I am sure people in Florida will ask Jeb Bush to give them a white Christmas like Ohio has every year.

and the Irepressible Little Johnny will want to know why he cannot go cleaning out attic helped by the milkman just like aunt Mabel does every afternoon!

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Mar 30, 2005 4:24 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal

Soebji,

What would you be if you did not probe, provoke, chide and do the wonderful things you do with your keyboard?

We, few do not live in Gujrat or Orissa or Rajasthan or any other place for that matter. We live in Chennai, and along with Koovum, we can't stand the stench of CAS.

You, please continue to chide us with Johnny and or whatever else that occurs to those wonderful grey cells of yours and alongwith that, help us to get a little more idiotic with our mindless TVs.

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Mar 30, 2005 4:55 pmCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
even while doing what i do, i would still do what else i want to do in addition to what i get paid to do, like if i can suggest a workable method of getting out of the CAS thingy would i get paid one full month CAS worth of money? imagine a lifetime of saving for only one time one moth money? tempting? 50% advance and balance after i suggest? think hard? why think? just do it?

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Mar 30, 2005 5:08 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal

Soebji,
You are on. As long as its practically possible ;-)
I'll pay you one month of CAS money out of my pocket.

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Mar 30, 2005 6:11 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

Me too.Soeb..Me too..

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Mar 31, 2005 12:39 amCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
hey sweetheart - save that money to buy candy for the next street kid you see - spread a smile today for you never know if tomorrow will ever come! - or save it to buy yourself a slot on the Handsome and Noble Individuals gallery! - right next to mine if you can stand the bad breath!

not as a precondition - i do want to know what progress Chennaikars have made on the pavement issue for which i had written out an action plan?

i enjoy taking on a cause - and pursuing it too - if you are equally interested in walking the talk - - - - -

to move the earth you need a long enough pole (i can tell you where to get it), a place to stand (the premises on which your case is built) and a person willing to wield the lever (yourself)!

do you have item #3 ready?

only if the answer is yes - work on item #2 - as a first step towards working on tha CAS issue, you will need to compile data - start now - ask 1000 questions - names, dates, figs, whatall, whatnot? ? ?

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Mar 31, 2005 10:29 amre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Prakash
Hi Guys , Just joined the space. Well its almost more than 1 year since we are under "CAS" and I guess life moves on. Except for the cricket fanatics or movie goers, life is still fine with Chithi or periyamma....

It is a big political game and I dont see a solution to it to be honest...

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Mar 31, 2005 3:55 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
item#3 is what we call for.. perfect SOEBji.. here it is.

I spoke to this Friend Rajesh again today and this is what he had to comment:

Option 1: All of us will mull over this CAS and give Hindu the message which will be edited and published in a short verion.. A group from T.nagar called " Sriram proletarians" had taken this msg to Readers digest and the hindu .. what came on the hindu was only the most edited version of what these guys wrote..

Option 2: Translate this in to tamil and give a shot in Dhinathandhi where my friend Sriram can help to post this in the Speak out columns.. As i had mentioned earlier iam not good at translation and so i need someone to help.

all said and done i personally feel we need to form an operations team and take this to the Chennai mayor .. messages in the dailies are always written and forgotten ( if they are majorly edited for political reasons)
revert guys..

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Apr 02, 2005 11:11 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

I agree with you Gokul raman for forming an operations team and taking the memorandum to the Mayor of Chennai as well as to Srh karathe, dy Mayor and to Mr. Vijaykumar, commissioner who will be of great help to us.

Mr. Govind..please do something to for a committee,

LK(g)

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Apr 02, 2005 12:47 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Where The MIND is Without FEAR
HI Soeb,
Whatever you are you can be , but not a spoil sport....right.....
when you have difference of opinion one group's thinking, of course you have a right to your thinking.......but we were discussing what can be done to remove CAS, not a discussion whether we want CAS/not.....so if you can throw in your red hat and start thinking for removing CAS .... you are welcome to do it in THIS THREAD......DO NOT WASTE other's time advocating CAS.......which you have a right to ........of course........right to expression(constitutional right),in that case start your own thread on being the CAS advocate......
no offence meant......
karthikeyan
ps: hi guys , lets look into the legal remedy instead of having unwanted discussions.....and lets have a time frame..

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Apr 02, 2005 7:54 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

Karthik palani..If you go into the intricaciest part of Soeb Fatehi's posting you will get to know that he is also trying to help us in our cause getting out of this 'CAS'. He has infact given us the ways of doing it properly. We have to infact make out a list of who benefited by this CAS, who is going to benefit and what will be the state of our protest before getting into it. soeb fatehi is cautioning us that it should not be just starting and leaving it in the middle when the blocks get bigger bigger as we are trying to cross the hurdles. But in my openion atleast a start has to be made and we will start it by forming a operation committee and then taking a signature campaign,taking legal opening (Monday Devils Advocate will be sober enough to take some interest i suppose) and even taking to the media. someone has to start atleast taking the thread to tie the bell to the cat.

Soeb Fatehi..thanks for giving me opportunity to explain..

LK(g)

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Apr 03, 2005 3:16 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
LK(g) - -

you had given me the impression that you had a set of grown ups / adults assembled, capable of debating issues and taking them forward.

you will appreciate from your abundant experience and learning that the best way to kill a cause is to rush in where angels fear to tread, unarmed (ill informed), and find yourself in an abhimanyu like situation! you have started forming committees in true babu fashion of the legacy of the raj which haunts you till today. you have rushed into step three without examining your premises and your resources.

i am amused by the childish enthusiasm with which this board addresses issues as though they are new shells found on the beach. you pick them up and turn them over many times and admire them. you put them to your ear to hear the mermaids sing. you suckle them and fondle them. only to discard them once you see the next ppiece washed your way.

i still have no report on the pavements matter. or has the municipality already remade the roads?

alas CAS will be here to stay and torment all your friends if they continue to play instead of work to a plan.

what you need is one strategem and many soldiers. what you appear to have is an army of brilliant generals each commanding a regiment of none! remind me of a childhood favorite comic strip which featured General Halftrack.

get your act in order. dissolve all committees. send the generals home for they will not like to soil their uniforms. they will only train their water pistols on their own allies precious powder depots.

remember the words of the great General George S. Patton -
"No bastard, ever won a war, by dying for his country. He won it, by making the other poor dumb bastard, die for his country!"



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Apr 03, 2005 8:59 amre: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar

Soeb Fatehi..you are 100% true. But ifeel a committee can work bettter in fact finding than one person na>

LK(g)

We really value your words coming out of experience and age.

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Apr 03, 2005 1:26 pmCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Govind Srinivasan
CAS.

I am glad that WCFC is gathering momentum, coutesy the CAS issue. 35 posts in 11 days with 9 participants! Good progress!

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You can skip reading this posting and come back to it, if you are tired now after a long work schedule or don't have patience to read this lllllllllllong posting.
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I am watching the debate keenly, but couldn't contribute my thought or idea in overcoming the CAS problem, since this issue is not agitating my mind so much. Not that I am a minimalist or that I am withdrawn from the worldly pleasures of enjoying a TV show or a movie. But it just doesn't strike in my mind that the WCFC, with its existing strength and reach, may not be able to take up this cause with an undying spirit and tremendous zeal, which are probably the least required attributes to confront not only the CAS issue, but many other ones, equally or more important too.

Here is an anecdote I would like to share with you here, from the book "A Tiger for Malgudi" written by RK Narayan. The story goes like this.

The villagers are incensed by the danger that persisted with a tiger around, making a hide and seek in the village. The tiger creates a terror. The villagers, at last, muster courage and meet the District Collector asking for his intervention to make the village get rid of the Tiger. The Collector tries to pacify the villagers and explains what action he proposes to take.

Not satisfied with the answer given by the Collector, which does not excite them to believe that the Collector would do something meaningful, the villagers continue to harp on the issue, with everyone starting to speak out that makes the Collector feel that he has to step in and turn the tables on them and buy peace for some time.

Here goes the story, what happened between the Collector and the villagers.
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The Collector, being a man used to such representations, just said: " I will look into your case. I can't promise anything. How do you know that there is a tiger around?"

"We saw it"

"How many of your saw it?"

"All of us ......" said the deputation.

"How many persons live in your village?"

They looked at each other in consternation, being unfamiliar with numbers. "More than a hundred, sir", ventured an elder.

"Have all the hundred seen the tigher?" asked the Collector.

"Yes" they chorused.

The Collector fixed his gaze on someone arbitrarily and asked "How big was the tiger?"

The man blinked for a minute and then indicated with his hands some size, whereupon another man pushed himself and said, "He is wrong. The tiger was this big ....."

A heated argument started, many others joining for and against, until the Collector said, "Silence, are you both talking of the same tiger or two different ones? Was there one tiger or two or three?"

Someone said, "Five in all, sir. Four cubs and a tigress, which were shot."

"Who shot them?" asked the Collector.

"Some shikari from the town ...."

"Which town?"

"We can't say, sir, we don't know."

"Did they have a licence to shoot? Who gave them licence?"

The petitioners, feeling they were being dragged beyond their depths, became tongue-tied.

The Collector observed them for a moment and said, "Have you brought your petition in writing?" They looked terrified, having no notion of the world of letters. The Collector felt compassionate and said, "I can't take action unless there is a written petition. Go to a petition-writer .... you'll find one in the verandha of the law court or at the market gate. Get the petition engrossed on a stamp-paper of one rupee and fifty paise, and leave it my clerk at the office. Then I'll fix a date for inspection and take action .... For all I know there may be no tiger whatever. You may be imagining! One mentions one tiger and another says five!" And he permitted himself a dignified grin at the joke. "However, it is my duty to look into it, if you have a grievance.

The deputation of villagers had to visit the Collector almost once a week, spending time and money to no purpose. From within the jungle where their villages were situated, they had to trudge ten miles to the highway and wait endlessly for a chance lift in a passing bus or lorry. At the Collector's office they could see, after much waiting, only the Collector's clerk, who took their petitions and then directed them to satisfy further official formalities. At the end of the day they returned to their villages, dreading lest the tiger should waylay them.

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I am leaving this story to your imagination as to how to connect it with the issues we are talking about in WCFC, including CAS.

Here is my take on not only the CAS issue, but many others too.

WCFC is just sprouting. If we take an issue like CAS, spend our time and energy, we may get tired of ourselves even in the short term. Simple! We are a small number of people. There is not even a single debate that gets a participation of more than 10 members, though we are a 125-member group. Just think of what kind of quality and timely follow-up we can assure for ourselves on any issue, at this point of time, given the fact that it is a just handful of people who are giving life to WCFC. If we are not taking up a cause that can trigger the imagination of a large number of people spontaneously, we reach nowhere. There are greater issues, which crave for attention, a this point of time, when it comes to "making Chennai a better place to live in".

Every one here in WCFC comes with his or her own background, potential and capabilities. We require to consolidate these assets and, first of all, seize every opportunity to see or talk to each other, exchange ideas, effectively network between ourselves with a dogged pursuit and build the momentum carefully and joyously.

It doesn't take any big effort for anybody to say a few lines in an online debate. But it is very difficult to arrive at a consensus and drive ourselves to action, on any issue, with a fair level of expectation about the result.

In fact, we are yet to get a picture as to what WCFC is all about, what it can do, what could be the target areas where we can converge and act, who will do what, etc., etc.

We require to take a few macro issues and continue to work on them as long-drawn strategies. The issues can be anything that cannot be solved very easily. Chennai roads, traffic, sanitation, pollution, water, mishandling of public administration issues by the authorities, etc., etc. are a few areas where we can converge and act. Take even the most infamous COOVUM RIVER issue. We may not be able to solve this issue just by writing to somebody in power or stating a demo before one or other office or taking the issue to court. But it can ignite the imagination of a large number of people, who would start rallying around WCFC and coming into it. We require them.

Once we are known as a pure simple public-spirited group, who want to convert the on-line relationship between ourselves to meaningful real time actions for common good, we can attract a large number of people and thus give a solid base for WCFC.

Most of us know each other only because of the Internet and we have to do everything possible to bring in as many people as possible to WCFC online Network and make all-out efforts to channelize the resulting bonhomie to concrete actions for the sake of public good.

The Internet can prove to be a boon or a bane to WCFC, depending on what kind of satisfaction that it gives to people. There are people, as we know, who would simply say whatever they feel like in online debates and user groups and just be satisfied with expressing their opinions. They may not stir out to participate in any activity. Even if they do so, they may not accept any responsibility. On the other hand, the internet can prove to be boon to WCFC in bringing like-minded people together, who could prove to be change-agents to "make Chennai a better place to live in".

We can certainly continue to debate on CAS and converge on a decision to act further to express our resentment against CAS, in its exsiting form.

But let us remember that our common grievance need not give us a power to consolidate and act in a strategic manner and take the issue to its logical end. We require numbers and also a down-to-earth physical activity, so that we come to know of each other, even among ourselves.

Harish, Gokul, Karthikeyan, Lavanya, Aarti, Mukind, Soeb, Sushi and Prakash are all perfectly right in expressing their view point. Think of Soeb, who is making the debate very lively and is also sharing his wisdom without mincing words and that too, sitting in an another city. Think of the fight-to-finish state of mind of Karthik to put an end to CAS in Chennai. Think of the voluntary effort contribution that Mukund is promising to bring a legal tinge to the issue. Think of Lavanya who is advocating forming up a Committee or Gokul, who is very sincerely putting out what is he doing on the issue on his own. Take Praksh for that matter, who is probably tired with CAS and is resigned to accepting the existing reality or the frustration expressed by Aarti. All of them are making this debate lively.

But the big question is this. Is this issue a candidate that can create a fusion among ourselves? Nothing wrong with debating as many issues as we conjure up. But I feel that the need of the hour is to create an excellent bridge between ourselves and grow rapidly in size. The Internet is absolutely capable of making WCFC grow in numbers very fast. This is possible, only if we introduce this network to as many friends as possible. I said earlier that we should at least be a 300-strong group. That is the critical mass that can sustain anything that we want to do through WCFC.

Govind

Private Reply to Govind Srinivasan

Apr 05, 2005 8:52 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal

Item # 3 -

We still need to progress on it. Anybody or bodies willing to champion this cause and lead the rest of us from WCFC . . .

Private Reply to H@r!$h Vittal

Apr 06, 2005 12:47 amre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
very good post Harish - you are the first one to have understood English - (maybe thanks to your Caferati background?) - by addressing item # 3 you have finally put the horse before the cart!

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Apr 06, 2005 8:04 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Govind Srinivasan
Tranforming an online discussion group from debating to action is a tremendous job. To achieve even a semblance of success in this, we require a large number of people to congregate virtually and use WCFC board as a corridor of thought-exchange.

Materializing online commitments is not an easy job. Well, fun-meets are natural extensions of online life, but I wonder if people could be enthused to commit themselves to contribute their time, energy and a little money too to tackle problems in the society.

An issue of debate requires to reach a critical mass, so that it reaches an actionable stage, lest its ends in euphoria.

Till we grow in numbers, we can certainly assemble an action-committe to take care of a particular issue and dismantle them once the purpose is served. But, even to assemble a committee, we require a reasonable number of people to depend upon, for business continuity. After all, in a voluntary activity, anybody may withdraw at any point of time from any commitment. When that happens, it is the rest of the members who will that an issue that is taken up, with all the sincerity, goes nowhere.

Now, may I request the CAS debate enthusiasts to put out their commitment (whatever it be), as a msg in this thread itself, so that we can know who comes with what interest and capability and how we can negotiate further in this issue.

Let me repeat the request, I have been making to you all, time and again. We require the participation of a large number of people in WCFC. Let's spread the word and bring at least 1 member each every week. It is not impossible.

Govind Srinivasan

Private Reply to Govind Srinivasan

Apr 06, 2005 2:49 pmre: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
item#3 is what we call for.. perfect SOEBji..

Is this not english for you SOEBJI...

Enthusiasm is the key to everything and you call it childish.. Can you play cricket just for money without the passion??
We request you not to be a spoil sport here..
you say.."what you need is one strategem and many soldiers. what you appear to have is an army of brilliant generals each commanding a regiment of none! remind me of a childhood favorite comic strip which featured General Halftrack. "
i gave the board two options that i could think of.. rather than ideas of dissolving committees..
we tried to put the horse before the cart by making a start and forming an operations committe atleast..

you dont stop your mission to climb mountains reckoning the hurdles..Do you?? you plan to tackle them..
correct me if iam wrong..

Private Reply to Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half

Apr 06, 2005 3:44 pmre: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Govind Srinivasan
Soeb is in Mumbai, to my knowledge. He has shared with us, what he feels like, based on the first hand knowledge that he has on CAS. A few of us may like it. A few may not. We also have absolutely-silent members in WCFC, who have NO opinion on CAS. Ironically, they are the majority.

We require numbers, numbers and numbers. We require people, who will NOT ONLY CONTRIBUTE to sharing ideas online, but also fold their sleeves and get down to physical participation.

The CAS debate is generating a lot of GAS. It is time we all showed reticence and pragmatism. SOEB, or, for that matter, nobody is going to be stopping the mandate of WCFC.

WCFC is its infancy and we require to take care that we don't become tired of ourselves or develop an online contempt for each other. Many of us even don't know about each other and even haven't seen each other. Let us develop empathy now. Let every one of us make a self-intro, so that we come to know of each other's capabilities and sure, we will have a committee! Just one.

Want to ask where is my self-intro? My Ryze Profile gives that out.

Govind Srinivasan

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Apr 06, 2005 4:52 pmCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
btw - do you know whether it is a subject
to be taken up with the Union Govt? or
State Govt? or Local Municipal Corporation?
do you know under what law the rules imposing/
enforcing CAS have been legislated? do you know
what the laws are which empower the authorities
to impose CAS? do you know that withdrawals are
often governed under a different set of laws?

btw2 - do you know what the revenue figures
involved are? do you know what is the target
revenue?

btw3 - do you know what is the commited allocation
of that revenue stream?

btw4 - do you know that even courts of law will
not rule on a subject which can result in drop
in government revenue? unless the revenue stream
contravenes a constitutional provision.

btw5 - do you know that to climb mountains you
need climbing gear? and climbing training? hillary
did not employ a sherpa just to carry him there
piggyback!

btw6 - do you know that an operations committee
comes into existence only if there is to be an
operation at all?! do you know that first you need
a vision and a mission statement? do you know that
you also need a time line as part of an action plan?
(do you know that you need people with 'balls' not
wagging tongues?)

btw7 - do you have any knowledge (either from
first hand experience or from learning) about
a public movement? do you know the costs involved?
do you even know where to begin assessing the costs?

btw9 - to anyone who wishes to volunteer to be on
the committee, do you know how to assess whether
he will turn out to be a trojan horse? even if he
isnt, do you have an estimate of what time demands
the work will take? whether he will stay the course
upto the end? and even if he thinks he can, can his
family afford it? my dear friends along with the balls
you need staying power too.

btw10 - do you know that other consumer fora and
chambers of commerce are already in an advanced
stage of dialog on the subject? in that case are
you still so passionate that you will reinvent the
wheel?!

thank God for the passionate -
they provide the cannon fodder for every army on the field!











and - - - the local tamil channels are free to air anyway
whereas consumers in other cities pay for their channels even without CAS - - - -





and - - - - do you know that broadband tariffs are getting slashed to 25% of current value? do you know that CAS boxes are to become cheaper by 50%? in that case will the fight be worth the time and costs?








the self intro bit Govind asked for -
what can i say about myself?
i am a consultant, and engineer . . .
i serve on the electronics and telecom committee of the Indian Merchants Chamber, on the committee of the Bombay Management Assn western suburbs center, as treasurer and past secretary of COSMA, and a few other trade bodies.
i have been in manufacturing and my products are used in 32 countries. i am proud that when Indian manufacturers are threatened by China i have exported electrical and electronics products to Korean customers in China.
i firmly believe in the processes of arbitration and reconcilliation and work towards that end in any dispute.
i have had the good fortune of sitting in leadership of a 22000 strong union of 'passionate' students at university.
maybe that is why i treat passion with caution and lay emphasis on reason and logic.

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Apr 06, 2005 8:58 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal

btw - you have just scared me, Soeb.

I was planning to volunteer my humble services to the cause, if someone\ones could show me the light.

My only question to the govt (state or central) is, why this implementation of CAS on some poor bakras in chennai alone. So what if the regional channels are free to air here. It does not give the broader picture & choice to an idiot sitting in front of the TV in Chennai as compared to the one who is in aamchi mumbai, delhi or kolkotta. Why? this TV racism?? This is what i want to fight. Some idiot in some past\present government (whom we elected) has made sure the industry in chennai has spent tonnes of money on the STBs and now they hesitate to even roll it back for simple obstinate reason of 'their' money.

BTW - I am steaming MAD now at our own stupidity of such an acceptance for such a long time now. @#*$




Private Reply to H@r!$h Vittal

Apr 07, 2005 3:07 amre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Govind Srinivasan
Now, let's move forward.

The CAS issue is there before us. All of us have witnessed enough articulation and agitation against CAS. SOEB has put in tremendous labour and time to make us really get serious in the act. In fact, he has done a FREE CONSULTING for us, making almost a 360 degree analysis of the issue and the kind of massive internal preparation we have to to.

To pursue the line of suggestion given by SOEB, we have to move out of Internet and do the planning meticulously.

I have requested for a SELF INTRO from every one of you, so that we really understand each other. SOEB has done it in his msg itself. May I request others to chip in?

Harish, pl help this thread take momentum and get out of the loop we are in. Possible that you just expressed your frustration against CAS, but it has picked up a bit of momentum, which I didn't expect. Now, we have to continue hand-holding it and take it further to a decision.

Thread participants and silent members! Pl spell out how and what you can contribute to take cudgels against CAS.

Can we have a CLEAR DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES? Harish, you fix the deadline yourself. If needed, we can meet in a short notice.

Govind Srinivasan

Private Reply to Govind Srinivasan

Apr 07, 2005 5:57 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar
Good one Soeb Fatehi, Harish and Govind. Yes ..Govind please PM all the members to atleast visit the board and give their openion.. for a start it will be good to receive a pm from the moderator. As LK(g) i will also try to send messages to the members i know..

Let us start to function..

LK(g)

Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar

Apr 07, 2005 2:35 pmre: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
Soeb has put temendous labour alritee..

but to what ever hokum had been written abt wagging tongues and balls.. I can give my piece of mind in a more apposite way....Govind .. pls excuse me.. if this is wat the members will write and this is what that wud be bucked up.. adios to this ntwrk..
there is always a way to communicate.. The accumulation of knowledge or skill that results from direct participation in events or activities can be a piece of trash if the success from it goes to your head!!.. looks like here..

Heck no..

Btw 1..do you know if people cannot reconcile their rear- end paper bag how people can believe in the processes of arbitration and reconciliation??

Btw 2.. just wondering how much people know and how much they can brag .. be it flaunting national flags ( that one was acceptable).. or a CAS.. if someone had known so much abt CAS why the hell was that not transmitted in the first place..

Btw 3.. do you know "old" balls can only write big stories and waste time .. not acting further!
(do you know wagging tongues are better than shitty icky balls)..some tongues are gateways to booby hatchs and loony bins..let people keep their God damn tongue inside!!!

Btw 4.. do you know??? to make a public movement we got to have like minded people and the spirit to start with??
the passion ofcourse not to reinvent wheels but a cause to change hoary rudders of a vessel!!!

Add onÖ..

No time with me though to write a 6000 word story and keep doin nothing!!!!

the self intro bit Govind asked for -
what can i say about myself?

Iam a chartered accountant.. Investment banker,

I have always believed in action than words...

Though I donít have the first hand exp of sitting pot bellied in state govt or union govt.. I have learnt how to respect someone in the first place..

however Kudos to selling products in China.. thats the only deference you deserve!!

Private Reply to Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half

Apr 07, 2005 5:03 pmre: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Govind Srinivasan
SOEB is a special guest here in WCFC. As I said earlier, he doesn't reside in Chennai. One may not like his way of writing. For that matter, neither my way of writing (in typical old English) may be liked by everybody here.

I think the CAS debate is really generating a lot of GAS only. And things seem to be getting out of hand.

As the host of WCFC, I feel I have to step in and a put a fullstop to the CAS debate, as we are reaching nowhere, but only making the initial warmth of handholding each other a bit unpleasant. Most of us even don't know about each other personally, but we have started pushing each other to the edge.

Harish, can you pl step in?

Govind Srinivasan










Private Reply to Govind Srinivasan

Apr 07, 2005 7:07 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal
Hi Govind,

When two gentlemen have an disagreement about balls, there's not much i can do.

I can only say that there is a slight mis-understanding of the posting. I think the two gentlemen should clear this on their own, after all, neither my age nor experience support any justification in my mediation.

I think all of us adults here and can sort out differences with logical reasoning and without passionate embrace of emotions.

with best interests.

Private Reply to H@r!$h Vittal

Apr 08, 2005 2:36 amCAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
Little Johnny met a new classmate
whose family had migrated recently.
Naturally, Jani spoke in an accent
which was now somewhere in between.
His original accented speech was
superimposed with a newfound drawl
which the queen would never approve.
They started talking about things
close to themselves. Cricket bats
and Soccer balls were hot said Jani.
Johnny thought Babe Ruth and Jordan
were cool. When one said that his
bowels needed working, it almost
sounded as though his balls needed
perking. Throwing up was not the
same thing as spewing out as they
soon discovered.

Hari ambled into the courtyard hand
in hand with Harold and saw the two.
Harold was asking Hari if H1B was his
mummy's real name and said that his
father used a B52 to lob one at Saddam.
Harold's hero was Cowboy Bob and
Hari couldnt forget his friend back
home who flirted with mirthful Radha.
Suddenly Harold wanted to use the
washroom and so did Hari. One would
have to wait.

All four rode the same bus home and
over a few days found that the bus
had an equal number of window seats
and non window seats. They needed
no arithmetic lessons to know that
taking turns here was as simple as
waiting in the washroom queue.

The foursome made a band and played.
They wanted to have the honor of being
the official school band one day.
They went looking for a female lead
vocalist and signed on the cutest
blonde on the block. Her name was
Lavleen. They named themselves
'The Hi Five' and played along.

Soon they grew up and got interested
in many new things. Besides music,
they enjoyed watching each other excel
in their own sports. Lavleen was more
academically inclined and wrote
assignments early for the others
to copy.

They no longer MADe CASes about
everything they saw or wanted to see.
They had seen enough together. In their
OPINION there was a whole new world
emerging beyond and they reached
out to touch the stars . . . . . . .

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Apr 08, 2005 9:55 amre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar
Soeb Fatehi.. what you have written has gone above my head. mere jaise platformwasi kho samajne jaise message post karna padega aapko..


LK(g)

Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar

Apr 08, 2005 2:29 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal
well, this thread has gone and gone and gone !!
Well, I waited and waited, and Now i Volunteer to lead.

So what do want me to do?? Lemme have your views. Give me specifics. Don't shoot a Cannon ball straight up in the air and hope its your target.

These were some of the suggestions so far on this thread.
With Soeb acting as our Catalyst, we have made good argument so far. Lets now come up with "ACTION"

A -
go to the court, get it stayed
b.write to TRAI, copy to PM, Sonia Gandhi,and the press/ write to CM
c.go get your set top box
d.get used to CAS
by Kartikeyan

B -
i can help you post our opinions in dhinathandhi- the tamil daily. i know the editor there... requires translation which iam not good at..any of you guys can help??..
by Gokul.

C -
We may try Charuhasan to take up this issue with media.
By LKg

D -
the madras high court passed an order sometime back which actually enforces the CAS regime in madras. i've been trying the whole today to get the full text of the order n see what we can do abt it. will post a detailed note once i get it.
By Devilís Advocate

E -
I agree with you Gokul raman for forming an operations team and taking the memorandum to the Mayor of Chennai as well as to Srh karathe, dy Mayor and to Mr. Vijaykumar, commissioner who will be of great help to us.
Mr. Govind..please do something to for a committee,
By LK(g)

F -
I said earlier that we should at least be a 300-strong group. That is the critical mass that can sustain anything that we want to do through WCFC.
By Govind


Now, lets stop shooting from the hip, but actually take aim.
But lets narrow down on our Target.

Private Reply to H@r!$h Vittal

Apr 08, 2005 3:43 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Govind Srinivasan
To Harish and everybody here,

I certainly want the CAS issue to be taken up with all the power that we can summon. But the issue itself is power.

It is RYZE that has connected all of us. The number of CHENNAI residents in RYZE is not even 2000, out of which not even 100 are active. About 500 are semi active, the ones who log into RYZE at least once in a month or so. The remaining ones just registered themselves casually with no idea of what they would want out of the RYZE NETWORK.

We require at least 100 strong, dedicated, goal-minded and a bit assertive group to lock horns with CAS. As long as we don't get at least 300 members in WCFC, the chance of getting even 30 members to take up cudgels against CAS or, for that matter, anything, can be vexatious and can also sap our engery in the initial stage itself. There is also a danger of the group itself getting dissipated calmly.

Having said this, let me hasten to add here that there is no point in taking up a passive petition-writing strategy. People have started living with CAS in Chennai. There is a big money politics here and we should know what are the strategies we would employ to pull CAS by its collar.

Last piece: We will discuss this issue in the WCFC meet that can be convened shortly. Will post you all on this.

Govind Srinivasan

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Apr 24, 2005 1:12 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
Any progress in this movement? Let me know if something is to be done from my end.

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Apr 29, 2005 6:57 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

H@r!$h Vittal
Re-posting this to bring this back to the TOP

These were the suggestions by various people on CAS. Any ideas on how to take this forward....

A -
go to the court, get it stayed
b.write to TRAI, copy to PM, Sonia Gandhi,and the press/ write to CM
c.go get your set top box
d.get used to CAS
by Kartikeyan

B -
i can help you post our opinions in dhinathandhi- the tamil daily. i know the editor there... requires translation which iam not good at..any of you guys can help??..
by Gokul.

C -
We may try Charuhasan to take up this issue with media.
By LKg

D -
the madras high court passed an order sometime back which actually enforces the CAS regime in madras. i've been trying the whole today to get the full text of the order n see what we can do abt it. will post a detailed note once i get it.
By Devilís Advocate

E -
I agree with you Gokul raman for forming an operations team and taking the memorandum to the Mayor of Chennai as well as to Srh karathe, dy Mayor and to Mr. Vijaykumar, commissioner who will be of great help to us.
Mr. Govind..please do something to for a committee,
By LK(g)

F -
I said earlier that we should at least be a 300-strong group. That is the critical mass that can sustain anything that we want to do through WCFC.
By Govind

Private Reply to H@r!$h Vittal

Apr 30, 2005 2:17 amre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
CAS is a TRAI subject where your state
government is an implementer and the
center is merely a facilitator.

It is an Information and Broadcasting
Ministry matter and also has overlapping
interest in the Ministry of Entertainment,
Education. The Home ministry is involved
by virtue of the fact that all service
providers have to be registered with
the DM and the Police Commisionerate.

Since the supreme court has already
ruled on the subject it is a waste of
time to go to court now.

As stated by most present here, the major
objection is to the discrimination which
Chennai feels it is subjected to. Two weeks
ago the Hon. Minister for I&B, Shri J. Reddy
has directed the department to go ahead with
implementation in the three remaining metros.
The courts had already earler refused to
restrain any state governments from
implementing. The Ministry has also asked
all state governments to report implementation
feasibility in other major cities as well.

Why was this not done sooner, one may be
inclined to ask? It was politically inexpedient
for the earlier Government to push because they
were toying with elections.

Now it is up to the house of WCFC to decide:
(a) Do you want to press for repeal and roll back?
[my comment - very limited chances and may not
be worth the resources to be expended]
(b) Do you want to appeal to all the governments
and powers that be to put the implementation in
Chennai on hold till the uniform implementation
is possible all over the country or at least
in the other 3 metros??
[Limited chances since present govt of TN has
postured itself negatively against the Center -
They have not implemented VAT either which is
much more important to the economy than CAS -
why not focus your attention towards supporting
and demeanding VAT implementation instead?]

My personal viewpoint -

Focus on making a headway on subjects like
GREEN, Education, HIV, Drugs, Sports Promotion,
in which your chances of coherence and unanimity
within the group are almost 100%.

Focus also on public education and awareness
campaigns for subjects like VAT, E-Governance,
Productivity, Corporate Social Responsibility,
where you can act as a long term catalyst of
change and also enjoy a consensus value
of over 60%.

Focus on subjects which do not create a 'head on'
situation so that you can remain a non political,
non prejudiced, highly respectable, universally
accepted group.









Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Apr 30, 2005 6:54 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Lavanya Karalkar


Wonderfully dealt Soeb Fatehi.. well balanced..

LK(g)

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Apr 30, 2005 7:00 amre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

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May 02, 2005 2:44 pmre: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

N K nayak
Is CAS such an important issue .Well for those who think so I feel the real point has been missed-just like you pay for your newspaper,net etc you need to pay for the software content of your channel(unless you channel wants to give it away free to us NON -CAS or should that read NON-CASH? types !!)
Just becoz other cities have not implemented it does not mean chennai should not

In any case what passes off as entertainment even in those channels we have been ""DEPRIVED"" of is not really all that entertaining or informative in my view-anyhow one mans passion is another mans poison-I guess?I am personally able to manage my meager TV needs in chennai with the channels we are getting now -free to air (the Rs100 per month option)

On another note I think most channels (when they lose viewership) will either become free to air in the medium term or reduce their rates. In the meanwhile if DTH takes off in a big way we would be rid of the cablewala it seems

Private Reply to N K nayak

May 02, 2005 7:45 pmre: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

yaka michi
well... i was disgusted with the scheme initially, considering i'm originally from bangalore where all it takes to get to see all channels is just a simple monthly payment to the local cable guy.

but guess what - this sunday i went ahead and bought a set-top box, as the f2a channels are pathetic at best.

i'm very happy with the channels per se, but the only frustration is having to waste a few thousand rupees as a down payment, and in turn this is absolutely useless when i eventually return to blr...

cheers,
yakamichi.

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May 03, 2005 5:04 amre: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

N K nayak
I am sure there will be a market for second hand SeT Top boxes too at the right discounted price?

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Jun 11, 2005 9:25 amre: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

subfam nair
o yea why cannot we revolt and take a morcha to the government?

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Jun 14, 2005 1:28 amre: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

SOEB FATEHI
that morcha thought was most revolting!

i thought that by now everyone was busy with better things to do like planting trees and cleaning streets . . . .

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Jun 20, 2005 8:15 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: CAS Makes us MAD . . . Whats your opinion ??#

Aroune SAX
As long as the cable cartels(read Pro-DMK SCV & Pro-ADMK Hathway) are strong in Chennai, nothing can be done about CAS. It is a bane for Chennai...
We have to live with the deprivation.
How I envy the other metros!
How I miss my fav shows and matches!

;)
Aroune.

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