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Mar 25, 2005 5:04 pmRidiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
I was browsing through the NDTV Webpage and came across this article, which states that the Government is concerned over the fact that Sachin Tendulkar is wearing the National Flag below that of the BCCI Logo (on his helmet). Firstly, kudos to the wonderful bit of observation, if only this had been put to better use, things would have been far more better for Political India. Secondly and more importantly...this act is ridiculous and to a certain extent superfluous as well. I guess the Government has a whole lot of other things to rack their brains over, rather than these miniscule things. And guess what...the article also goes onto say that the BCCI is looking into this "MATTER". So much so for Government Intervention......:-(.....

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Mar 25, 2005 5:46 pmre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar

But Gokul Raman..dont you think our national flag should be given its due respect? May Sachin has not noticed it but still in my openion the national flag has to be shown prominently above everything. If we dont give respect to our national flag, then who else will give. We see today USA refusing Visa to Narendra Modi but we Indians go out of our way to arrange so many facilities When bill clinton visits India..Our own Advani was not given the status of a dignitory and was searched like a normal citizen in USA.. Please value our national flag.. that is my request.

LK(g)

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Mar 25, 2005 6:10 pmre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

H@r!$h Vittal

Since this is on National fervour and all, thought i should get in my two bit -

National Flag - Identity of the nation, symbolizing pride, respect, honour, patriotism, truth and a whole lot more.

If an Indian is going to flaunt the indian colours for such reasons ( and i think most of them do), then allow him to do it, instead of questioning his intentions and how he has dishonoured the flag.

Such beliefs are in the heart and can rarely be shown on the physical presence. He carries this as identity, pride, honour and belief. A belief that he is an Indian and he is doing his bit for his country, be it Sachin with the flag on the helmet or the screaming fan with the flags on his cheeks.

Lets not take the basic right of freedom of expression away from each Indian on his identity. If we find someone disrespecting the flag, then he can be bought to justice and questioned on his intentions.

Does this make sense ? it does to me...

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Mar 25, 2005 6:39 pmre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
"He carries this as identity, pride, honour and belief. A belief that he is an Indian and he is doing his bit for his country, be it Sachin with the flag on the helmet or the screaming fan with the flags on his cheeks"

the above words of Harish says it all.. LK.. i thought you will comprehend what i had written.. but you seemed to have not picked what i wanted to say..If Sachin displayed it on the helmet it was purely bcoz he wanted that to be carried with pride.. Do you also know Sachin carries a big Indian flag in his Kit unlike anyother Indian player.. (for that matter unlike any other Internationa player)
If flaunting means not adding value or demeaning the national pride then iam sorry you are slightly mistaken..our govt has plenty other things to think of..

p.s. Why go to US Visas and other stuff.. thats a different story and we will add comments on that later

Adios.

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Mar 25, 2005 6:56 pmre: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar
your mention was about having the indian flag below BCCI logo and you are talking as if it does not matter. it surely matters..For Sachin should value Indian flag more than BCCI Logo though he has to please BCCI to have a place in the Indian team after what he has been playing for the last two three matches..


LK(g)

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Mar 25, 2005 7:16 pmre: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
you forget that he is the only one posing this atleast..may be WE will tell him to change the entire helmet color to the tri color so that you may accept his patriotism..

Good nite..

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Mar 26, 2005 7:28 amre: re: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar

for your info Gokul, even if he is the only one posing, still it does not dissolve him of the wrong deed ( Infact I wanted to use the word 'crime' then thought better of it anticipating your reaction hahahaha) of dishonouring the indian flag na?

Cheers
LK(g)

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Mar 26, 2005 9:13 amre: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Anurag Mathur
Wearing the flag on the helmet or on the cheeks rules OKAY !
Wearing the flag BELOW the symbol of ANY other institution....NOT OKAY !

Period ....

Cheers
Anurag

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Mar 26, 2005 9:28 amre: re: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar


thanks anurag.. seeing Tendulkar's play today, i very much doubt it is his act of pleasing BCCI

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Mar 26, 2005 9:50 amRidiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

SOEB FATEHI
The Law is clear.

IF SACHIN HAS SPORTED THE FLAG ON HIS
HELMET WHETHER BELOW OR ABOVE THE BCCI
LOGO - HE IS GUILTY OF AN OFFENCE.

so let us not sidetrack the issue into side lanes - let us ask him to gracefully acknowledge his fault and ask for pardon. his contributions to Indian sport can get him that clemency if and as it can get custom duty waiver! he is our favorite darling brat after all!

relevant sentences excerpted first - full details below :-
"(v) the Flag shall not be used as a portion of costume or uniform of any description nor shall it be embroidered or printed upon cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins or any dress material;"

FUFA and Caferati members will recall my warning on 26th Jan about dishonor to the Flag :-
"(x) the Flag made of paper may be waved by public on occasions of important national, cultural and sports events. However, such paper Flags should not be discarded or thrown on the ground after the event. As far as possible, it should be disposed of in private consistent with the dignity of the Flag;"

just FYI - EVEN SPORTING ROSETTES IS ILLEGAL :-
(ix) the Flag should not be used as a festoon, rosette or bunting or in any other manner for decoration;






FLAG CODE OF INDIA

The Indian National Flag represents the hopes and aspirations of the people of India. It is the symbol of our national pride. Over the last five decades, several people including members of armed forces have ungrudgingly laid down their lives to keep the tricolour flying in its full glory.

The significance of the colours and the chakra in the National Flag was amply described by Dr. S. Radhakrishnan in the Constituent Assembly which unanimously adopted the National Flag. Dr. S. Radhakrishnan explained— “Bhagwa or the saffron colour denotes renunciation of disinterestedness. Our leaders must be in different to material gains and dedicate themselves to their work. The white in the centre is light, the path of truth to guide our conduct. The green shows our relation to soil, our relation to the plant life here on which all other life depends. The Ashoka Wheel in the center of the white is the wheel of the law of dharma. Truth or satya, dharma or virtue ought to be the controlling principles of those who work under this flag. Again, the wheel denotes motion. There is death in stagnation. There is life in movement. India should no more resist change, it must move and go forward. The wheel represents the dynamism of a peaceful change.”

There is universal affection and respect for, and loyalty to, the National Flag. Yet, a perceptible lack of awareness is often noticed, not only amongst people but also in the organisations/agencies of the government, in regard to laws, practices and conventions that apply to the display of the National Flag. Apart from non-statutory instructions issued by the Government from time to time, display of the National Flag is governed by the provisions of the Emblems and Names (Prevention of Improper Use) Act, 1950 (No.12 of 1950) and the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971 (No. 69 of 1971). Flag Code of India, 2002 is an attempt to bring together all such laws, conventions, practices and instructions for the guidance and benefit of all concerned.

For the sake of convenience, Flag Code of India, 2002, has been divided into three parts. Part I of the Code contains general description of the National Flag. Part II of the Code is devoted to the display of the National Flag by members of public, private organizations, educational institutions, etc. Part III of the Code relates to display of the National Flag by Central and State governments and their organisations and agencies.

Flag Code of India, 2002, takes effect from January 26, 2002 and supersedes the ‘Flag Code – India’ as it existed.


PART II

HOISTING/DISPLAY/USE OF NATIONAL FLAG BY MEMBERS OF PUBLIC, PRIVATE ORGANISATIONS, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, ETC.

SECTION I

2.1 There shall be no restriction on the display of the National Flag by members of general public, private organizations, educational institutions, etc., except to the extent provided in the Emblems and Names (Prevention of Improper Use) Act, 1950* and

*The Emblems and Names (Prevention of Improper Use) Act, 1950.
Section 2: In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires:-
(a) “emblem” means any emblem, seal, flag, insignia, coat-of-arms or pictorial representation specified in the Schedule.
Section 3: Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, no person shall, except in such cases and under such conditions as may be prescribed by the Central Government, use, or continue to use, for the purpose of any trade, business, calling or profession, or in the title of any patent, or in any trade mark of design, any name or emblem specified in the Schedule or any colourable imitation thereof without the previous permission of the Central Government or of such officer of Government as may be authorised in this behalf by the Central Government.
NOTE: The Indian National Flag has been specified as an emblem in the Schedule to the Act.
the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971** and any other law enacted on the subject. Keeping in view the provisions of the aforementioned Acts -
(i) the Flag shall not be used for commercial purposes in violation of the Emblem and Names (Prevention of Improper Use) Act, 1950;
(ii) the Flag shall not be dipped in salute to any person or thing;
(iii) the Flag shall not be flown at half-mast except on occasions on which the Flag is flown at half-mast on public buildings in accordance with the instructions issued by the Government;
(iv) the Flag shall not be used as a drapery in any form whatsoever, including private funerals;
(v) the Flag shall not be used as a portion of costume or uniform of any description nor shall it be embroidered or printed upon cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins or any dress material;
(vi) lettering of any kind shall not be put upon the Flag;
(vii) the Flag shall not be used as a receptacle for receiving, delivering, holding or carrying anything;
provided that there shall be no objection to keeping flower petals inside the Flag before it is unfurled as part of celebrations on special occasions and on National Days like the Republic Day and the Independence Day;
(viii) when used on occasions like unveiling of a statue, the Flag shall be displayed distinctly and separately and it shall not be used as a covering for the statue or monument;
(ix) the Flag shall not be used to cover a speaker’s desk nor shall it be draped over a speaker’s platform;
(x) the Flag shall not be intentionally allowed to touch the ground or the floor or trail in water;
(xi) the Flag shall not be draped over the hood, top, sides or back of a vehicle, train, boat or an aircraft;
(xii) the Flag shall not be used as a covering for a building; and
(xiii) the Flag shall not be intentionally displayed with the “saffron” down.
2.2 A member of public, a private organization or an educational institution may hoist/display the National Flag on all days and occasions, ceremonial or otherwise. Consistent with the dignity and honour of the National Flag
(i) whenever the National Flag is displayed, it should occupy the position of honour and should be distinctly placed;
(ii) a damaged or dishevelled Flag should not be displayed;
(iii) the Flag should not be flown from a single masthead simultaneously with any other flag or flags;
(iv) the Flag should not be flown on any vehicle except in accordance with the provisions contained in Section IX of Part III of this Code;
(v) when the Flag is displayed on a speaker’s platform, it should be flown on the speaker’s right as he faces the audience or flat against the wall, above and behind the speaker;
(vi) when the Flag is displayed flat and horizontal on a wall, the saffron band should be upper most and when displayed vertically, the saffron band shall be on the right with reference to the Flag (i.e. left to the person facing the Flag);
(vii) to the extent possible, the Flag should conform to the specifications prescribed in Part I of this Code.
(viii) no other flag or bunting should be placed higher than or above or side by side with the National Flag; nor should any object including flowers or garlands or emblem be placed on or above the Flag-mast from which the Flag is flown;
(ix) the Flag should not be used as a festoon, rosette or bunting or in any other manner for decoration;
(x) the Flag made of paper may be waved by public on occasions of important national, cultural and sports events. However, such paper Flags should not be discarded or thrown on the ground after the event. As far as possible, it should be disposed of in private consistent with the dignity of the Flag;
(xi) where the Flag is displayed in open, it should, as far as possible, be flown from sunrise to sunset, irrespective of weather conditions;
(xii) the Flag should not be displayed or fastened in any manner as may damage it; and
(xiii) when the Flag is in a damaged or soiled condition, it shall be destroyed as a whole in private, preferably by burning or by any other method consistent with the dignity of the Flag.

**THE PREVENTION OF INSULTS TO NATIONAL HONOUR ACT, 1971
(Amended by the Prevention of Insults to National Honour (Amendment) Act, 2003)
Whoever in any public place or in any other place within public view burns, mutilates, defaces, defiles, disfigures, destroys, tramples upon or otherwise shows disrespect to or brings into contempt (whether by words, either spoken or written, or by acts) the Indian National Flag………. or any part thereof, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
Explanation 1. – Comments expressing disapprobation or criticism of the ………Indian National Flag or an alteration of the Indian National Flag by lawful means do not constitute an offence under this section.
Explanation 2. – The expression, "Indian National Flag" includes any picture, painting, drawing or photograph, or other visible representation of the Indian National Flag, or of any part or parts thereof, made of any substance or represented on any substance.
Explanation 3. – The expression "Public place" means any place intended for use by, or accessible to, the public and includes any public conveyance.
Explanation 4. – The disrespect to the Indian National Flag means and includes-
(a) a gross affront or indignity offered to the Indian National Flag; or
(b) dipping the Indian National Flag in salute to any person or thing; or
(c) flying the Indian National Flag at half-mast except on occasions on which the Flag is flown at half-mast on public buildings in accordance with the instructions issued by the Government; or
(d) using the Indian National Flag as a drapery in any form whatsoever except in state funerals or armed forces or other para-military forces funerals; or
(e) using the Indian National Flag as a portion of costume or uniform of any description or embroidering or printing it on cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins or any dress material; or
(f) putting any kind of inscription upon the Indian National Flag; or
(g) using the Indian National Flag as a receptacle for receiving, delivering or carrying anything except flower petals before the Indian National Flag is unfurled as part of celebrations on special occasions including the Republic Day or the Independences Day; or
(h) using the Indian National Flag as covering for a statue or a monument or a speaker's desk or a speaker's platform; or
(i) allowing the Indian National Flag to touch the ground or the floor or trail in water intentionally; or
(j) draping the Indian National Flag over the hood, top, and sides or back or on a vehicle, train, boat or an aircraft or any other similar object; or
(k) using the Indian National Flag as a covering for a building; or
(l) intentionally displaying the Indian National Flag with the "saffron" down.

3A. MINIMUM PENALTY ON SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT OFFENCE
Whoever having already been convicted of an offence under section 2………. is again convicted of any such offence shall be punishable for the second and for every subsequent offence, with imprisonment for a term, which shall not be less than one year.

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Mar 26, 2005 9:59 amre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Where The MIND is Without FEAR
hahhahahhaha
sabaaash
seriaaana poottii
national flag is quite important to the citizen of India, no two ways about it.........
quite a lot of blood has been shed to allow the flag to fly........lets not forget history.........
and lets respect it......yes, if one wants to wear the tri-color in his shirt...he should be permitted......but it has to be the only one........and not below the BCCI /any other logo ....
THE NATIONAL FLAG SHOULD BE ON THE TOP OF EVERYTHING IN INDIA
period.........
this issue should not be read along with Naern Modi/ Advani.....they are two different issues........


but i liked the spirit of fighting .....keep the fight going on ....cheers to Gokul, Lavanya and to the refree Soeb......
ps: refree, the winner has to give us both a treat ok......

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Mar 26, 2005 10:00 amre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar

Soeb Fatehi, the Bheeshma's verdict is final..

LK(g)

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Mar 26, 2005 10:08 amRidiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

SOEB FATEHI
apologies to anti hindi lobby if it exists in Chennai -
hey LK(g) tu kyu peeche padi hain is tarah - vanshheen banana chahti hain kyu? - kya bigada hain tera to yeh shraap deti hain?

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Mar 26, 2005 12:59 pmre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
Soeb Fatehi..thanks for your detailed explaination on flaunting the national flag and how to treat it..i certainly wud not have known this by anyother means.. so we finally conclude
a)Sachin posing the flag on his helmet should not be the concern as it portrays his patriotism as i had said earlier..
b) it should be above the BCCI logo .. ( but i doubt if the the govt wud have thought in similar lines)

So LK..agreed on that point.. but for holy gods sake pls do not write something like Sachins making attempts to please BCCI. not reqd.. you will know his value when he has hung up his boots.. the 41 odd runs he made was good enough..

Whats Ganguly doin btw?? may be we shud start off on that or on our local boy Dinesh Karthik.. you guys think India has found his permanent WK for tests.

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Mar 26, 2005 2:39 pmre: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar

Gokul calm down...the post on Sachin was only to provoke you knowing very well what an ardent fan of Sachin you are. Arre...Even I adore Sachin and was very upset when Rahul Dravid declared without allowing sachin to get the record and felt like hitting Dravid with a paper weight.
and aboutour own karthik ...yes he is doing very fine as of now but we would not like to take him to the pedestal by our over adoration and bring him to the state of Siva Rama krishna..correct na..let us wait and see..

LK(g)

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Mar 26, 2005 6:47 pmre: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

H@r!$h Vittal

LKg - how can you think ofhitting Dravid. Bathayihe!! He is the wall!! And i am sure he had his compulsions.

Sachin, should not be reprimanded for his last few innings. Think of the 300 before. and the indian flag is not the players' fault, more so the Board and the designer.

But then Cricket rules the roost. I wonder what part the Indian flag plays in Hockey and Kabbadi (just to name a couple).

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Mar 27, 2005 1:15 amre: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

SOEB FATEHI
correction Harish - In matters of not upholding National Honor the fault is of each and every one concerned - the board, the designers, the helmet manufacturers, the team sponsors, the players, the spectators, the local authorities, the media, . . . . . . . being an accomplice is a crime, being a silent spectator is a crime, ignorance of the law is not an excuse, all forms of abetments are crimes.

the distinction between the National Colors and the National Flag has to be understood. Saffron, White and Green used as combination of colors to depict Indianness is within the Law and the only thing to remember here is that it must be done with pride and dignity. However using the Flag can not have exceptions and must be strictly in accordance with the Code.

in case anyone has any questions on the Flag or its usability please do ask. it will be a pleasure to explain.

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Mar 27, 2005 5:36 amre: re: re: Ridiculous....'n'.....Needless....#

Lavanya Karalkar

hahahaha see..he is throwing his bait..

"in case anyone has any questions on the Flag or its usability please do ask. it will be a pleasure to explain."

hahahahaha

LK(g)

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