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| | Post New Topic | | Ryze vs. LinkedIn | Views: 6871 | | Aug 24, 2005 2:08 am | | Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Dean H. | | Scott,
I was talking to a colleague of mind today. He uses LinkedIn and I use Ryze. He said he didn't understand Ryze and threw out some numbers such as LI having well over 3 million users while Ryze only has over 300,000. He asked me if I could explain why LI's growth rate is far bigger than Ryze. I could not. But told him that I would post on Ryze and see what sort of answers that I could get from social software experts such as yourself.
Your thoughts on why LI's growth rate is far far bigger than Ryze?
-Dean
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Aug 24, 2005 2:24 am | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Joe Severa | | Isn't Linked In a much older network Dean? No way is Linked In easier to navigate, you need permission to even meet someone new, it's a bit convoluted & not nearly as friendly. Having said that, I've been told that the "active" membership for LI is percentage-wise, LOWER than Ryze's "active" membership, but alas I have no stats for proof, just 2nd & 3rd party testimonials to such.
Joe
http://www.myganoexcel.biz/mannasage
Private Reply to Joe Severa | | Aug 24, 2005 2:48 am | | re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Dean H. | | Joe,
I think Ryze is older than LI. I believe Ryze was started back in 2002. LI may have started in 2003.
re: convuluted and not friendly.
Yes, I hear this all the time. As Scott and Bill will tell you, you have to use LI with a different approach than you would use Ryze. Ryze is obviously meant to be more interactive. LI is meant to be used differently. Hence the perception of "sterile".
It doesn't make LI less effective, it is just meant to be used differently from a different group of business professionals. But it is fast and efficient, depending on what your business needs are. Based on your profile, I don't think LI would be effective for your business.
But going back to my original query, I, along with my friend, are curious to know why LI is growing at a faster rate than Ryze. Does this mean Ryze doesn't have as good of a product? Does this mean LI is able to implement certain mechanisms within their infrastructure to help increase the word of mouth marketing machine?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Aug 24, 2005 3:04 am | | re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
SoulSearcher | | It's my understanding that Ryze (2001?) is older than Linkedin (2003)
Ultimately, I don't think we can come up with a conclusion as to which really is universally best for all of us. Moreover, I think the answer for an individual depends upon their needs and what works best for them.
Thus far, of all the major networking platforms I've been on, Ryze has the more appealing GUI but Ecademy is the platform I've spent most of my time writing on - YET - the only platform I've ever made any money from has been Linkedin.
Vincent Wright
My Linkedin Power Forum
Private Reply to SoulSearcher | | Aug 24, 2005 3:23 am | | re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Dean H. | | Good to see you Vincent. For those who don't know Vincent, he is a complete fanatic (can I call you that?) about LI. If LI was ever searching for a posterboy for its company, then Vincent Wright would be it. If LI needed someone to pitch their services, then he'd be it :)
He runs the Yahoo Group for those who wish to use and explore LI in its many infinite possibilities. Here is his very active group; http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyLinkedinPowerForum/
I agree about your assessment about all 3 online networks. I don't know what your full time business is, so I can't really comment about you making money only from LI.
But I'm still curious as to why LI grows faster than Ryze does. I think that Ecademy is more technologically advanced than its U.S counterpart, but its biggest problem is that it doesn't have a very user friendly GUI as Ryze does. If Ryze could implement some of the technology that Ecademy uses, then things would be rocking more than it already does here, IMHO.
-Dean
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Aug 24, 2005 3:50 am | | re: re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Ron Amundson | | LinkedIn has a much lower noise floor, and a much more formal approach to networking, eg introductions. As a result, a personal initial impressions are going to be much higher than on Ryze.
To me, Ryze fits well with the microenterprise, but is not as useful for the small or large business. LinkIn otoh fits that market. Now as far as growth goes, the potential market is much much larger in small and larger business, as compared to the microenterprise. In addition, once LinkedIn becomes known with in a traditional enterprise, water cooler talk expands multifold. That's a lot tougher within the microenterprise.
If I think of the folks I know on Ryze, most are involved with a microenterprise, less in small business, and few if any in big business. Otoh, within LinkIn, it appears, at least within my contact list, the demographics are the reverse.
Ron
Private Reply to Ron Amundson | | Aug 24, 2005 5:25 am | | re: re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
SoulSearcher | | You're funny, Dean.
FYI: Primarily, I do 3-5 things through my small company which benefit from a good networking engine: recruiting, career coaching, business development, fundraising, & seminar development. From a purely business perspective, I guess there is no rhyme or reason in focusing on those 5 areas other than I just enjoy the heck out of each of them and a lot of the networking I do for one quite often benefits one or more of the others.
BTW: Thanks for the introduction - I owe you one! :-)
Vincent
Private Reply to SoulSearcher | | Aug 24, 2005 1:40 pm | | Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Mike Fesler BizHarmony | | I use both, and LI is off the charts compared to anything else out there now.
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Scott Allen http://www.ryze.com/view.php?who=ScottAllen
said on another network at: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/LinkedInnovators/message/1083
Fundamentally, LinkedIn solves two problems. First, it helps you
answer the question, "Who do I know that knows someone who...?" This
is non-trivial. Consider the alternative ways to answer this
question. Lots of e-mails and phone calls, mostly to people who
can't help you answer that question. On LinkedIn, you only send one
request, and it's to someone who can help make that introduction.
This is TRULY a paradigm shift in the way we deal with our extended
network.
The second -- much less important, but still valuable -- is the
matter of data maintenance. Without social networking tools,
millions of people are all struggling to keep their contact
information current for the several hundred to several thousand
people they know. Prior to tools like LinkedIn, it was usually quite
a challenge tracking down former coworkers, clients, classmates,
etc. Now, once you know someone and you both participate in these
systems, there's no more losing track again because they changed
employers, moved to another city, etc. Once you know someone, you
have access to their current information forever.
These two solutions can help you better leverage your personal
network for whatever your current objectives may be -- finding a
job, strategic partners, employees, clients, experts, etc.
Now one more advantage of a tool LinkedIn isn't uniquely tied to the
social networking aspect of it, and that's simply that it's a great
database of people. Google makes it easy to search for someone by
name, and probably even title and company (e.g., "microsoft ceo",
but this only tends to work well for executives and senior
management), but it's extremely difficult to use a general Internet
search engine to find people by their skill set or other profile
information. LinkedIn gives you this capability. Of course, so does
ZoomInfo.com (formerly Eliyon), but without the social networking
angle.
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Here is a breakdown of my network:
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Your Network of Trusted Professionals
You are at the center of your network.
Your connections can introduce you to 1,582,100+ professionals — here’s how your network breaks down:
Your Connections
Your trusted friends and colleagues 1,010
Two degrees away
Friends of friends; each is connected to one of your connections 228,600+
Three degrees away
Reach these users through a friend and one of their friends 1,352,400+
Total users you can contact through an Introduction: 1,582,100+
Your network also includes 70 users in your 13 LinkedIn Groups.
Total of all LinkedIn users
Total users you can contact directly — 3,300,000+
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If you would like to join, Please send me an e-mail or a PM with your E-Mail Address and I will send you an invitation to join, LI and link our networks together.
It is free!!
It is a very powerful networking tool to the CEO levels of networking.
Success in all your endeavors, and God’s speed.
Thanks!!
Mike Fesler
Indialantic Business Management
Business Amelioration Specialist
http://www.IBMgmt.com
http://www.ryze.com/go/emfesler
http://www.linkedin.com/e/fpf/915247
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When the solution is simple, God is answering.
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Private Reply to Mike Fesler BizHarmony | | Aug 24, 2005 2:11 pm | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
TransactionBroker | | I think that this is more of a contrast between the two.
It, for me, is not a one verses(against) the other.
They are very different methods with great benefits to each.
One is a hammer and the other a screwdriver.
Both are tools.
Just use them to the betterment of others and all will be glad you did.
I will always try to clear me mind of contrasting the lesser points of life and things and try to use the cooperative and complimetary aspects of each.
I am not the best at this sort of idea, however with a mentor like Mike Fesler, someday I will succeed.
Thanks.
Private Reply to TransactionBroker | | Aug 24, 2005 3:47 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Robert Montgomery | | Ron:
What would you concider as being a large company?
A large company that is based on how many employees it has or whats the bottom line figure in $ dollar $ signs?
For a business the size of Ram_Industries, I would say IMHO, Ryze fits its needs quite well, where other networks fail to even come close to Ryze. I just hired 40 new employees 1 month ago, making Ram_Industries now to date employ over 130 people....
Ram_Industries has its own HR department, is building its own medical wing in next few months, has its own cafeteria, shipping / recieving docks, and 4 other buildings that perform multiple tasks from, building computers, to IT, to operating its own siesmic lab. Soon adding a Photo Voltaic site, as well as a yacht refinishing location.
Ryze actually is a better group of professionals based on the simplicity of its set-up, ease of use, its more then most other networks combined.
What Ryze has done for Ram_Industries, could not even be handled using the other networks such as Linked In. I do not want to wait weeks for someone to decide to contact me, I am in a business, and the need is now. Ryze has and always will supply the greatest network in many years to come.
IMHO
Robert Montgomery
Ram_Industries
Private Reply to Robert Montgomery | | Aug 24, 2005 5:42 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Ron Amundson | | I use the federal guidelines for business size. Small business is sub 500 employees, and large is greater than that. Odd imho, but I guess it makes some sense when it comes to politics. :)
Wow, thats pretty impressive infrastructure for 130 people; looks like you are fairly vertically integrated. Personally I think thats pretty cool, and a great way to manage work flow. Although its OT for this thread, some time I would like to hear more about it, and your philosophy that lead to such an approach.
What I was referring to from a microenterprise standpoint, is the vast number of people that are self employed, or have just a few people on board. Eg, authors, consultants, personal service firms, MLM sales etc.
Ron
Private Reply to Ron Amundson | | Aug 24, 2005 6:29 pm | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Dean H. | | Mike,
Well said. Though, I have a huge issue with the FOF stats that you listed. I think that upon initial impression, it's nice to know that you can connect to more than 200k professionals 2 degrees away from you, but that is a bit misleading.
I'm more focused on only connecting with people that I know as opposed to doing a Free For All like Ecademy does with their "Paint the World Blue" Campaign. For those who don't know, PTWB, is where alot of the Ecademy members try to increase their connections on LI by just connecting with anyone and everyone.
Till this day, I'm get irked when someone I don't know tries to connect with me.
At the risk of sounding harsh, there are just too many "wannabes" who try to look good by articially inflating their LI network by connecting with anyone and everyone without understanding the repercussions of creating *artificial* networks without a solid foundation of substance behind it.
-dean
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Aug 24, 2005 6:46 pm | | : Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Sue T. | | I'd love to link up with any of you who would like to as well :) I'm on it as well. Please send me your e-mail address and I'll send an invitation today or tomorrow.
No worries! :)
Sue T.
Life & Relationship Coach
Confidence is Silent. It need not defend itself.
It simply exists inside you.
Private Reply to Sue T. | | Aug 24, 2005 7:19 pm | | re: : Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Dean H. | | Sue,
Right about now, you should be recieving 10 requests for connecting on LinkedIN:)
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Aug 24, 2005 9:05 pm | | Dean H: : Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Sue T. | | We shall see Dean :) We shall see ...
Sue
p.s. I forget I have it because it's not like there are messages there or things like that. I'll have to go and look at it tonight again and review.
Private Reply to Sue T. | | Aug 24, 2005 9:44 pm | | re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Scott Allen | | Randy nailed it (no pun intended):
"One is a hammer and the other a screwdriver."
LinkedIn wasn't designed for "super-networkers" who want to connect with anybody and everybody. It was designed for "everybody else" -- busy professionals who may not have time for "networking" activities, but would still like to be able to leverage their "network".
Whether you "network" or not, you HAVE a "network" consisting of your former coworkers, schoolmates, friends and family. LinkedIn is designed to help you leverage those relationships when you need to.
Now, some people have found that you can also use it pretty well to grow your network of strangers -- not because it's really designed for it, but because it was designed for the first use, which attracted more people than sites like Ryze and Ecademy.
The problem arises in that people using it for the second application reduce the value of it for people trying to use it for the first application. I may only use LinkedIn for my strong(er) ties, but the people I connect with may not, so I can no longer rely on the idea that my immediate connections can provide me good introductions to their connections, or those people to the third degree beyond that.
It's kind of like razors. A razor can shave a man's face, or a woman's legs and underarms. Guys - have you ever tried to use a razor to shave your face after a woman's used it for something else a few times? It'll still work, but not nearly as well.
What LinkedIn is talking about doing is adding a field for relationship strength, so that you could have both strong and weak ties in the system. This would allow you to determine, for example, which of your connections might provide the best introduction path to the person you want to reach.
LinkedIn wants to accommodate both styles of users (and those who fall somewhere in between). They estimate, though, that the "active networker" users make up less than 10% of their user base. So if you go to LinkedIn and wonder why people aren't "networking", it's because they're not using it as a tool for that. They're using it as a tool to better leverage the strong relationships they've developed during the normal course of their lives.
- Scott -
Private Reply to Scott Allen | | Aug 24, 2005 10:10 pm | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
lisa micklin | | Really great clarification, Scott, thank you.
Another distinction might be social networking (SN) vs. business networking (BN). While "Social Networking" as a term used to imply things like business networking, I'm beginning to see that they are really different tools.
For example, when I first joined Ryze, back in the day, I joined a few SN networks like Scotch Buffs, Bling, etc., just for fun and socialization. However, over time, I've found that these SNs have fizzled on Ryze. I now use Ryze solely as a BN, to develop and share my business network, and I keep my SN at the playful and amusing tribe.net, where I don't even try to do any business. Business does come out of tribe.net, but it is incidental to my socializing there. Much in the same way that socializing does happen here at Ryze, but it is incidental to business conversation and development.
Just another perspective.
Also, a very belated congratulations on your book, Scott! I know how much time and effort you have put into it, and can't wait til my summer vacation is over to dig into what I know is going to be an invaluable book for any business owner.
Best to all, back to my vacation,
lisa
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Private Reply to lisa micklin | | Aug 25, 2005 8:35 am | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Marilyn Jenett | |
Dean,
After skimming this thread, I can only offer a good guess.
I joined LinkedIn last year, mainly so people wouldn't keep bugging me with their invitations :-)
I went there a couple of times and found the format very uncomfortable. I even contacted a couple of people but they were much different than they represented (had they accurately represented, they could have gotten business projects from me). People invite me to be part of their whatever, and when I accept I never hear from them. I am linked to a group of complete strangers with whom I have nothing in common. To me, LI seems to be a job search network but not good for networking for entrepreneurs. And certainly not good for getting to know people like we do on Ryze.
I am not saying it wouldn't be a good network for others. Perhaps it is. And maybe there is some big business going on there. But there are no forums on which to communicate which to me is the main appeal of Ryze.
I never went back, yet my profile sits there. Thus, I am a member. Now in answer to your question, how many other "members" have profiles sitting there and do not participate? Perhaps 2-1/2 million?
I had also joined Ecademy and that was short lived. Very biting, angry negative people on the forums - that seemed to be their "schtick" - being mean for entertainment - and my money was refunded.
Marilyn
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Private Reply to Marilyn Jenett | | Aug 25, 2005 2:53 pm | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Gregorio Mendez, Jr. | | I use Ryze and Linked In. I like both, but I am still primarily using Ryze. Both have their pros and cons.
Primarily, Ryze is less structured and provides for more expression of creativity, ability to find networks, and exchange ideas. Ryze is targeted for both business and social/casual networking. Ryze even makes it easier to provide a user friendly link to your profile.
Linked In is more structured. The link to your profile isn't user friendly, but its ability to search for contacts is very good. Finding a network unless you’re invited is tough. Even making contacts requires an invitation or introduction by another member, but that is the way it is done in many businesses. Linked In is geared to someone trying to develop a contact base for career or business oriented objectives. It may not be the best place for someone who likes customizing their profile with lots of graphics and colors or looking for a new close friend. It is a very good place for someone trying to get a job lead or grow your client base.
I like having a profile on both Ryze and Linked In because you never know who may be out there and I never liked the idea of depending on one system for all my needs. I like options and firmly believe in always having plan b ready and making oneself accessible to as many people as possible.
But that's just me.
Private Reply to Gregorio Mendez, Jr. | | Aug 25, 2005 3:56 pm | | re: Ryze and. LinkedIn | # | 
Joseph L. Rosenberg | | I'm actively seeking contacts at Ryze (and Ecademy), passively receiving inquiries at Linkedin. My Linkedin network is mostly Ryze and Ecademy contacts. When contact without referral was free at linkedin, I received plenty of inquiries. Since linkedin earlier this month changed to a payment system for contact without referral, I no longer get those inquiries, as expected.
Joe Rosenberg CPA
Private Reply to Joseph L. Rosenberg | | Aug 26, 2005 3:06 am | | re: re: Ryze and. LinkedIn | # | 
Jamie Walters | | Dean,
I've been pondering your original inquiry for a couple of days, after first reading it earlier this week.
There are some excellent comments here about how Ryze compares or contrasts with Linked In and Ecademy, and several touch on the question that your friend raised about why LinkedIn seemed to grow at a much faster pace -- qualitatively speaking -- than Ryze.
Ron and Marilyn have hit upon something with their observations about the demographics of a large percentage of the members of LinkedIn and Ryze, and of the "active networkers" that Scott mentioned. I've also experienced that LinkedIn seems to be predominantly used by junior to mid-level job seekers -- employees -- many of whom seek employment in larger organizations (though some want jobs with entrepreneurial firms), and Ryze seems to have a higher active membership of solopreneurs, entrepreneurs, authors, consultants, MLM, etc.
And this leads me to the question that just won't go away as I thought of your original query: Why *should* there be an expectation that Ryze grow at the same rate as LinkedIn?
Once again, I think of Apple as compared or contrasted to Microsoft -- Apple doesn't want to be Microsoft, because Apple knows that it plays a unique, creative, trail-blazing role and has a unique demographic for its primary clientele. When it wanted to be something else (e.g. grow like Microsoft), it nearly ruined the company. When it revisited and centered in its unique vision, the company flourished again.
Unless the goal of Ryze is to compete directly with LinkedIn, in terms of raw membership numbers, the question is more one of "what's unique about Ryze, and how can it leverage and spread the word more effectively about that, so it can grow according to its ideal vision, purpose and client base?" As for the possibilities of quantitative growth in the solo/SOHO market, that's a potential market based of millions of people, so it's not like focusing on that demographic would pose a problem for quantitative growth. It's just a matter of what Ryze wants to be, and leverage what makes it unique.
It's a great question, Dean, and it's prompted some really thoughtful dialogue here. Thanks for raising the issue!
Sincerely,
Jamie Walters
http://www.ivysea.com
Private Reply to Jamie Walters | | Aug 26, 2005 3:36 am | | re: re: re: Ryze and. LinkedIn | # |
Robert Montgomery | | Jamie and all:
One thing I have seen through-out this thread is:
Business that use Ryze and business that use LinkIn actually use each other respectfully.
So is LinkedIn predominantly other Ryze Mmembers?
Or is it more that Ryze members are predominantly LinkedIn members?
I think that to better understand the issue one should know the following bit of information.
The % of Ryze members going to LinkedIn
The % of LinkedIn members going to Ryze
Is Ryze losing members to LinkedIn, or visa-versa?
Or is it that when people feel they have used the resources of one network to the point of having to go to another network, to grow?
I see LinkedIn growing because of the latter reason.
Many Ryze members joining LinkedIn because business's have exhausted the Ryze Network. Not that the business has left Ryze completely, just grew into LinkedIn as in growing more business avenues.
I just hope no one is feeling jealous because others are going to another network just to grow their business. When we are the network that is getting the others network members as well.
Give and Take.
We all Win!!!
Robert Montgomery
Ram_Industries
Private Reply to Robert Montgomery | | Sep 01, 2005 7:41 am | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Lalit Saraswat | | we all have our networks outside ryze / linked, a large part of it in our address books. these are usually people who already trust us.
why is linkedin growing faster ? i guess its because linkedin's import contacts tool is easier to use.
advantage ryze:
its much more interactive. i spend more time here, and have developed quality contacts. while linkedin may beat ryze on numbers, i guess this is more quality networking.
why dont we:
- improve the 'import and use' your contacts list feature. more than linked, i think plaxo should be a benchmark for this tool.
- simplify the 'add as friends' rule. put limits on number of pending invites / reject % / report as spam.
- give brownie points for inviting newer people to join ryze ? maybe free gold membership for a month to select members (this will also get you more upgrades..) ?
Private Reply to Lalit Saraswat | | Sep 01, 2005 4:50 pm | | re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Dean H. | | >>>- give brownie points for inviting newer people to join ryze ? maybe free gold membership for a month to select members (this will also get you more upgrades..) ?
Lalit,
I believe OpenBC offers free monthly membership if you invite/recruite 10 new members to their online business community.
Quite frankly, I'm surprised no one ever considered starting up a LinkedIn network on Ryze. I see 2 different LI groups on Yahoogroups and another active one on Ecademy as well.
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Sep 01, 2005 7:44 pm | | re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Scott Allen | | H. Dean Hua wrote:
> I'm surprised no one ever considered starting up a LinkedIn network on Ryze
Who says no one ever *considered* it? :-)
I thought about it. But then I also realized that when conversations and groups get too specialized, they tend to fragment. That's why this group changed from being the "Using Ryze Effectively" network to "The Virtual Handshake". Discussion of other networking sites, including LinkedIn, is encouraged here. Bring it on! :-)
- Scott -
Private Reply to Scott Allen | | Sep 01, 2005 8:17 pm | | re: re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Bill Vick | | I don't mean to be too simplistic but I see advantages to using both Ryze and LinkedIn. They are not mutually exclusive but actually support each other.
The way I see it Ryze is a network system and Linkedin a relationship manager.
Ryze is a great tool to find new friends, expand your network and change contacts to friends or people who you know and who know you. Its a relationship that implies as degree of trust. Then LinkedIn makes sense to manage those relationships. I think most of us assume LinkedIn is a networking tool when it really isn't - at least in my mind.
Not sure if I'm striking a response cord or not but I love em all. :)
Bill
Private Reply to Bill Vick | | Sep 02, 2005 3:55 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Dean H. | | Bill,
How do you define a relationship manager? And do you really think that any profession could use LI to its benefit?
re: LinkedIn isn't a networking tool.
Yep, that struck a chord with me. Of course, it depends on what your definition of networking is. I have to say that I get irked when I see alot of people spend their days and nights trying to heavily connected on LI, and they claim that they are networking- they are just connecting.
While I won't drop any names, there is a pretty well connected individual in my area who spends a good deal of time everyday looking for new connections on LI. He proclaims himself to be a great networker because he has so many connections on LI, but most of these connections are extremely artificial. I think he's trying to chase the guy that has the most connectiions in DC on LinkedIn, but the big difference b/w the #1 guy and him, is that the #1 guy built his network organically whereas these other folks built their network artificially.
In many respects, it's true of what Scott says in his book- with regards to online networks, many people give other online users the benefit of the doubt and are nicer to each on online communities than they would be offline. I'm paraphrasing of course and you can give the exact quote if you need to, Scott.
-dean
Private Reply to Dean H. | | Sep 03, 2005 3:06 am | | Dean: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # |
Joe Severa | | I meant to add that my many B2C friends find that LI is better for their prospecting results, c/b, I do very little Corp prospecting. Now follow that reasoning to several corporate members joining LI at once, a rarity at Ryze from what I've observed.
Joe
http://www.myganoexcel.biz/mannasage
Private Reply to Joe Severa | | Sep 03, 2005 3:12 am | | Jamie: re: Ryze and. LinkedIn | # |
Joe Severa | | As usual Jamie, you've said it better than Moi, & I agree with you, more B2C + the job placement features makes LI best; but I can't possibly work more than at present, LOL. You dah woman Jamie.
Joe
http://www.myganoexcel.biz/mannasage
Private Reply to Joe Severa | | Sep 15, 2005 3:44 pm | | Ryze vs. LinkedIn--> LinkedIn + Ryze | # |
Valerie Vauthey - MyPrivateCoach | | Hello,
Wow! this thread generated a lot of feedback!
Well I must admit I LOVE LinkedIn!
It takes some time to feel comfortable on their board because it is not presented as a real time cool interacting tool like Ryze. However, the relationship you make there are longer lived, from what I have seen, and more focused. You "look for" somebody very specific and if you find her or him you move forward. That's the limit in a sense, you need to know what you are looking for. You won't be advertising your teleclasses, new books or audio tapes on LinkedIn since there is no place for that. You won't exchange like we are doing on Scott's forum. But if you are looking for a journalist in the Brazilian town of Rio then you will find him (!). Just needs to get your request passed on. As far as I am concerned the results I have achieved on LinkedIn have gone beyond my expectations. It is also less time consuming than Ryze since it remains very focused on a limited number of people.
Ryze on the other hand is a faster way to meet people you did not even know existed. In a sense, Ryze is a farmer's market and LinkedIn is a business expo :o)
Have a fantastic day!
Valerie Orsoni-Vauthey
CEO & Founder
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Private Reply to Valerie Vauthey - MyPrivateCoach | | Sep 15, 2005 10:49 pm | | re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Garland Coulson | | I use 3 networks regularly to build my business contacts, Ryze, LinkedIn and Ecademy.
Here is what I use them for:
Ryze
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My main tool for connecting with small business people. This has resulted in my finding both suppliers and clients. Ryze has worked well for sales of my e-books, and coaching services and for building subscribers to my newsletter and generating members for my Free Traffic Bar.
A great source of referrals.
Ecademy
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My main tool for expanding into Europe. Ecademy has also worked well for selling e-books and coaching and building subscribers and members. Another great source of referrals.
LinkedIn
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My tool for reaching "influencers." People in larger companies and organizations, association executives, media etc. Connecting with these people gives me the capability of reaching 1,000s with a single connection.
So all 3 have their use, and I don't consider one better than the other. The "hammer" and "screwdriver" analogy is apt. The trick is to find out how to use them successfully for your own business.
Garland Coulson, "The E-Business Tutor"
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Private Reply to Garland Coulson | | Sep 18, 2005 10:29 pm | | re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
ANDREW LEOW | | I am a "baby" member of both Ryze and LinkedIn. I joined LinkedIn in April and Ryze in August.My observations are:-
LinkedIn is more for quantity networking whilst Ryze is for quality networking.
LinkedIn is more restrictive in connecting with people as you need to pay to get connected or go through an Introducer. What I dislike about LinkedIn is that if your Introducer does not like your type of business, he or she may stop the connection. I would have thought that LinkedIn should have the procedure allowing the connection process to continue with the Introducer placing his "no connection" recommendation and the person to be connected having a deciding say in whether or not a connection should be made.
I enjoy reading the various comments made in forums of various groups. There is not much to be read or learnt in LinkedIn.
A lot of recruiters and people looking for jobs (especially MBA studuents) are found in LinkedIn whereas Ryze is more for business owners. That's how LinkedIn grows significantly. When I joined in April, LinkedIn has 2.5 million members. Its current membership is 3.6 million. When its membership is 5.4 million, I won't be surprised to see Ebay buying it for $410 million!
Both are offering different types of contacts. You might as well take advantage of them. Who says there is no free lunch?????
Andrew
Private Reply to ANDREW LEOW | | Nov 04, 2005 9:20 pm | | re: re: re: Ryze vs. LinkedIn | # | 
Lawrence McDowell | | I think if we judge from the enrollment date of the founder of Ryze, Adrian Scott we can say that Ryze started in 1998.
Don't know anything about Linkedin though.
Best Regards,
Lawrence McDowell
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Private Reply to Lawrence McDowell | | Nov 03, 2007 1:25 pm | | re: Ryze and LinkedIn - Use both? Use more than one platform? How do you handle more than one plat | # | 
Dawn Khan | | GREAT new photo Paul! Love it!
I use more than one platform, and I try to use it long enough to really ascertain it's value.
Ryze was the first social networking platform that appealed to my personal interest in connecting with others.
LinkedIn was my most successful business networking vehicle, however it probably took me 3 years to really appreciate and recognize it's potential.
Plaxo has become incredibly valuable to me as well, and with recent developments, it is becoming even more compelling-- I loved it's address book, in my industry when people were changing jobs very frequently and we wanted to stay in touch, Plaxo was great! Good for friendships and references, now with Pulse, we have a more natural and timely way to keep in touch... all goodness.
Dawn Mular http://www.plaxo.com/add_me?n=dmular
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Private Reply to Dawn Khan | | Nov 03, 2007 1:31 pm | | re: Ryze and LinkedIn - Use both? Use more than one platform? How do you handle more than one plat | # | 
howard lee | | I use several ntworking sites to conduct business with no problem. At the moment I am on Ryze, Linkedin, startupnation, xing, and Blackbusinesspace. I find them to be helpful in getting clients. Especially Xing and Linkedin. I done two deals on Xing and I have just started one on Linkedin. I find that the more business networks you are on the better chance you will have of getting business. Another thing that has got business for me is having a Myspace page. It takes time to do most of the sites, but it worth it. The more people see you the better you chances of landing business.
Best Regards,
Howard Lee
Private Reply to howard lee | | Jul 16, 2023 12:36 pm | | Reconnect on LinkedIn | # | 
Paul Finkelstein Early bird Entrepreneur - omgtalk.com | |
Great to reconnect to amazing Ryzers on linkedin
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