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| | The Innovation Network Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts | | Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | Views: 1587 | | Sep 06, 2005 8:34 pm | | Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # | 
Bob Jasper | | No electric power, no potable water, no telephone, no gasoline. If ever there were a combination of factors to bring a modern industrial city to a skreeching halt, Katrina produced just such a 1-2 punch.
Only now, a week and a day later, are we coming to grips with the tragedy and what will be needed to get New Orleans, Biloxi, and the rest of the Gulf Coast back online. If ever there was a need for innovative thinking, this is surely it.
But, when innovation runs into bureacracy, the turf battles begin. One example reported on CNN was of a group of law enforcement officers from a Texas community that headed the call for help from fellow peace officers in New Orleans. They turned back when bureacrats on the receiving end learned they were enroute and withdrew the "invitation". The group had spent 24 hours in frantic preparation to make themselves self-sufficient. They had food and water and shelter packed in a trailer. All they would need was a little dry land and directions to it.
Easy to sit here and point fingers, but I simply do not understand what is going on and why any offer of help would be refused. Of course there needs to be order, but when people are dying and stores are being looted, it would seem that personnel trained in serving and protecting would be a very precious commodity. Now we here how over-worked and in need of vacation the police, fire, and rescue workers in New Orleans are. They have to be sent off to Las Vegas for R&R while the National Guard does their job. Unbelievable!
Just as unblievable as building a city below sea level in a hurricane prone area and allowing people to live there without a tested plan in place for rapid evacuation of everyone.
Bob Private Reply to Bob Jasper | | Sep 06, 2005 11:53 pm | | re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # | 
Ron Amundson | | Turf wars are rampant.
Here is another one.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/09/04/katrina.sick.redtape.ap/index.html
Even DHS sponsorship means nothing... I think some heads will roll as a result, but unfortunately a lot of folks are suffering and dieing to keep some bureaucrats job safe. Also the governers position of keeping the feds out all last week border on insanity as well.
Now, order is needed for sure. Having untrained volunteers in a disaster zone creates big problems, and can divert resources. Here is a good example of a conspiracy theorist who should not have been there.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/weekly_008_fema_detainment_camp.html
Turf wars exist everywhere. I used to do a lot of work with the country's EOC. I was told that the city where I live was hostile to any outside assistance, so in the event of activation, my base of operations to interface with the county must be located outside the city limits. Hmmm, does that make sense? probably not, but playing politics during an emergency makes a lot less.
The key imho is preplanning. As one of my fellow volunteers stated. The best way to get through the roadblock is not by having a badge, or letter of authorization. It is knowing the officer manning the road block, as you have worked with him before during drills. Then again since FEMA got aquired by DHS, money for drills went out the window.
ICS was proven time and time again to work pretty well. When NIMS entered the game, so did a lot of stupidity. Here is a good one. What type of org doesn't know the 10 codes??? so instead DHS wants changes to plain language. Perhaps for cluless bureaucrats who have too much time on their hands? What a waste. Next they will want to change messaging protocol and acronyms. Fiddling while Rome burns seems to be the norm.
RonPrivate Reply to Ron Amundson | | Sep 07, 2005 3:02 am | | re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
Jon Sveinsson | | Hi you all
Sadly it is with frustration one looks at the TV monitor these days. Bodies left in the streets and armed men guarding property and yet another display of material before life.
It surely seems utterly strange that USA safeguarding us from the evils of the underdeveloped and those without means show such utter powerty in taking care of theyr own.
God be with you all casulties from the shores of the Gulf. I wish I could do more.
I have a water purifier that makes 1 ton of sweet-water a day of drinkable water and it takes 10 days to install. I only wish I had someone to talk to.Private Reply to Jon Sveinsson | | Sep 07, 2005 3:57 am | | re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >Hi you all
>Sadly it is with frustration one looks at the TV monitor >these days. Bodies left in the streets and armed men
>guarding property and yet another display of material before
>life. It surely seems utterly strange that USA safeguarding
>us from the evils of the underdeveloped and those without
>means show such utter powerty in taking care of theyr own.
When I turn on my television, I see why New Orleans is in such chaos.
It is because I see the Third World is now in the streets of New Orleans. They are in the US and living amongst a civilized citizenry. It looks like a typical day of chaos in so many African nations where at the first opportunity
they turn predatory and devour the weak.
Liberia - Haiti - Somali - Sudan - New Orleans.
I can't tell the difference. Tribes of blacks roaming the streets as predators seeking to devour the weak.
I don't see caucasian Tribes roaming the streets with claw hammers, machetes or spears. I don't see or hear of caucasian police personnel looting or running away or shirking their duty to serve and protect.
I'm very embarassed and reticent to say this for fear of offending others or being labeled as a racist, but pictures don't lie, unless they are somehow being overexposed.
The looting that I'm seeing, the raping and murder I'm reading about from caucasian Americans, Australian, British and Scottish tourists is all black on white crimes.
I've read and seen video reports of black police officers looting, black civilians shooting at rescue helicopters, firemen, policemen, engineers trying to fix the levee break and even shooting at doctors as well as refugees seeking to flee.
Why is this?
Why is this barbarism committed by blacks against whites evident in New Orleans but we didn't see any of this by the far poorer (in material) terms East Asians against whites during the Tsunami.
The media in the US has tried to blame it as an issue of poverty of material wealth, but the American blacks are far more materially wealthy than the Asians hit in Sri Lanka, Banda Aceh and other locales - yet these Asians didn't go on a raping, murdering and pillaging spree.
What is evident is it appears that the American blacks have a poverty of values. Is this what Martin Luther King for saw by equal rights and racial integration?
>God be with you all casulties from the shores of the Gulf.
>I wish I could do more.
It's truly a shame. And what Mother Nature wrought, humans made worse by turning into a scene straight from William Golding's Lord of the Flies.
Sincerely and sadly,
James @ my Country is as depraved as those in Africa.Private Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 5:15 am | | re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >I think some heads will roll as a result, but unfortunately
>a lot of folks are suffering and dieing to keep some
>bureaucrats job safe. Also the governers position of keeping
>the feds out all last week border on insanity as well.
Hello Ron,
I hope some heads will roll but I'm not hopeful. No Federal heads rolled after 911 and, in fact, we've now seen that key aspects of the 911 Commission were either ignored or even perhaps covered up.
How many more dead will it take for people to wake up?
Cheers,
JamesPrivate Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 5:26 am | | re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | Hello Bob,
Yes, things are a mess but we shouldn't be surprised as
New Orleans resides in some areas 20 feet below sea level.
To keep itself dry it relies on the integrity of the levee system and several pumping stations.
For several decades each Mayor of New Orleans and each Senator and Congressional representative of Loiusiana has known that it was just a matter of time for this to happen.
These state and local people didn't need innovation, so much as common sense and the mindset to roll up their sleeves and prepare. They did nothing as we can see from the result.
But I would also lay the blame with the individual. I don't have much sympathy for people who have lived for decades in a well known hurricane/flood environment and aren't prepared for the basics.
The Feds tell us to expect at a minimum to be prepared to live by ourselves - with our own water and food and medicines.
I live in California. Earthquake country. I am prepared as best I can be.
Both at my office, in my car and in my home.
Basic preparation are not expensive. Keeping bottled water, bleach to purify other water and basic canned food such as soups, pasta (ravioli, etc.), tuna fish, lunch meats among other items. A mechanical can opener is a good idea, too.
Total cost of this per person to survive for 7 days. Approximately $15.00. If you have additional people, it's even cheaper. For instance, at Costco, 12 tins of tuna run $5.79, a 1-1/2 lb tin of pork and beans is $3.00, a 1 lb tin of chili con carne is approximately $4.00.
There are many ways this can be done and all can afford it. For the poorest of the poor it may mean forgoing a night at the bar, or smoking a pack of cigarettes less a week for a few months or forgoing procurement of crystal meth or crack.
But those things are bad for you anyway.
What we've seen, I believe, is the decay of Western society to such an extent that individual and personal responsibility to prepare for a well-known, well-publicized and much anticipated disaster is nil. Instead it is en vogue to blame everyone but oneself.
Would our pioneer forefather's have sat and wallowed in self pity when they traversed the mountains, trails and rivers to move West? Would they sit around and die or prepare as best they could and look to themselves for the answers and motivation?
The saddest thing about New Orleans is that we see 50 years of so-called progressive policies and so-called social justice have killed the American spirit - that attitude of rugged individualism and self reliance and instead descended into an attitude not of help thy neighbor but kill thy caucasian neighbor.
The whole thing is not only disgusting and heart wrenching but a portent of things to come for this country.
Perhaps we will soon be living like those in South Africa or Zimbabwe. When can we expect to see white enclaves with boom gates to hold back maurading tribesmen pent on rape, murder and mayhem?
And we also have just let Al Qaeda know, now is a perfect time to strike. Not only is the Federal government ill prepared, but so are the State and local governments.
Most of all, not only are the people themselves ill-prepared but within those people are millions of predators, primarily black who will devour whites when given a chance. We've recently seen this in New Orleans, but we've also seen it in two black race riots in Los Angeles, race riots in Detroit and other locales.
If I were Al Qaeda, I would strike as soon as possible and I would try to maximize damage by striking in an area that is surrounded by a large black population. Once the infrastructure is gone, the police, eletricity and such, the Third Worlders amongst us will form maurading tribes of machete wielding barbarians and devour what's left of our once civilized and proud Nation just like we saw on the television in New Orleans.
It seems that the levee of New Orleans was not the only levee that broke and flooded us. The levee that holds back a tide of Third World immigrations bent on barbarism has been breached and flooding us for several decades and now it's time we all pay the price. First, in New Orleans and then in every major city with a large Third World population - Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, New York.
We hear how dangerous it is to be a soldier in Iraq and we hear that after 2 years of operations we have almost 2,000 soldiers dead. But that's in combat! In our black cities we have 10 times that dead every year, murder by blacks.
One of the major media outlets reported that almost two thirds of New Orleans is black and that the homicide rate in New Orleans is top in the US and over 9 times the national average.
New Orleans has many poor black areas, but there are also many poor white areas in the South. Why don't whites engage in these homicides to this extent?
I'm still waiting for Kurt Russell to appear on my television and proclaim, "The name is Pliskin. Snake Pliskin", just like he did in the Sci Fi thriller "Escape from New York", but unfortunately, this isn't a movie.
By the way, I'm not the only one to talk about this issue. I have seen more and more blogs and alternative radio shows as well as mainstream people commenting on the black attitude and behaviors in New Orleans. It can't be swept under the rug or shrugged as 'a bunch of hungry poor people'.
Best,
JamesPrivate Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 6:34 am | | re: re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # | 
James Booth | | Comment on a portion:
"Why is this barbarism committed by blacks against whites evident in New Orleans but we didn't see any of this by the far poorer (in material) terms East Asians against whites during the Tsunami."
As I recall there was quite a flap when U.S. Navy showed up offshore after tsunami - locals were "up in arms" about having American military presence, and it did make the news, though only briefly.
You do make some good points
JBPrivate Reply to James Booth | | Sep 07, 2005 8:40 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >>>>>>
As I recall there was quite a flap when U.S. Navy showed up offshore after tsunami - locals were "up in arms" about having American military presence, and it did make the news, though only briefly.
You do make some good points
JB
>>>>>>
Although I don't recall that, I will bow to your recollections.
I would ask, though, did the locals in the tsunami effected areas actually take up arms and fire on the American military/rescuers? I don't recall that and I did a google on it but didn't find anything on locals firing at rescuers (this doesn't mean they didn't).
And if the locals didn't loot, murder or rape (at least in any measurable numbers), what would have caused these American blacks that to behave so violently and deplorable?
What is it their standard of living? From all I can see, Americans blacks have a far higher standard of living than the average tsunami victim - in fact, many of these blacks don't even have to work. They just need to open their mailbox and collect a government check.
The asian tsunami victims often scramble for their sustanence.
Is it that American blacks future is so bleak in America that they want to flee for Zimbabwe or Sudan?
How could this be, if tens of millions of people dream of coming to America or risk their lives getting here, that these American blacks would want to live?
Poverty? Hope? Opportunity?
What is it that creates this wide disparity in civilized and barbaric behavior in the wake of a natural disaster?Private Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 12:35 pm | | re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # | 
John Stephen Veitch | | Hello Everyone:
"If ever there were a need for innovation"
America as seen from the outside is nothing like the country most American's choose to describe.
If you find my posts a year and two years ago on the 500 Citizens network, you'll see that for a long time I've been saying that the USA's political system is broken. It's become a huge money machine controlled by corporate America that controls both the Republicans and the Democrats. These two look alike parties pretend to be in opposition to each other, but they serve the same master. There is no effective political choice in the USA, their hasn't been any for years.
No free press. Courts under political control. Electorate gerrymandered to create safe jobs for party hacks. Contracts offered on a cost plus basis to to political cronies, who fail in their duty but are rewarded anyway.
Both at the state level and at national level there was complete political disconnect from what was really happening and what was being said and done. GW Bush didn't want to go there. No emotion, no understanding of the real events going on. Living in a dream world.
There is enormous need in the USA for legal innovation, for political innovation, for educational innovation, for health care and social welfare innovation, for social innovation. America is the world's most wealthy country, but it's not a place most of us would choose to live in.
USA is a great nation in a process of self destruction. I have said before that political reform is the only way to stop riots in the street. Cities will burn one day. The blatant (but unacknowledged) racism and uncaring attitude towards the difference in education standards, health care and income of most people, and the lot of the bottom 20% of the population is a time bomb ticking away.
There will be in the USA, young radicals who are today thinking of the time when they will be "home grown suicide bombers". They may not be Muslim, the might just be black. Or they might be white, ex-military having served in Iraq with a life destroyed by what they did there, and by what was done to them. Returning home to an ungrateful nation, they might just be a little angry about the lies that led to the war and compounding lies about how well the veterans will be treated.
Tax cuts and massive budget deficits are the legacy of several successive Presidents. Spending has been run down so that the rich can be richer and the poor can be neglected. You can see what you get. A country that can't even run an election and count the votes fairly. A country that doesn't have a process where institutions independent of the political process prepare the rolls and conduct the election. A country the has old voting machines that malfunction and too few machines to efficiently process the vote. That's evidence of what happens when taxes are too low and where nobody cares.
Third world countries are expected to do better under UN supervision, and they do. Jimmy Carter declared that the election of Chavez in Venezuela was very well run, and that the election of GW Bush in the USA clearly failed the same test.
Nothing will get fixed until most American's understand that many things need fixing. Belief that "America is the greatest country in the world" is a stopper that prevents things from being fixed. The Constitution is part of the problem, fixing that is part of the solution. If GW Bush succeeds in stacking the Supreme Court with conservative judges, fixing the Constitution might be delayed 30 years. I can't be sure that the USA has the luxury of 30 years to do it. It increasingly looks to me like we'll have blood in the streets first. Private Reply to John Stephen Veitch | | Sep 07, 2005 2:01 pm | | re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
Bob Jasper | | I thought perhaps I heard it wrong last night when CNN first aired an interview with 3 college kids who had DRIVEN to New Orleans Convention Center and helped several people to "safety". They posed as newsmen with fake credentials. They said even though they had never been there it only took them about 20 minutes to reach the Center once they were passed the roadblocks. They said they passed a stream of empty buses heading in the opposite direction, out of the city. Apparently this was over the Labor Day Weekend. They drove a small car and had some film from the journey. They had no problem getting gas and "the lines were not that long".
Their goal was to go there and help as many people as they could. They said if they could have stayed longer they could have brought out many more. They said the people were trapped in the Convention Center not by the flood, but by red tape.
I don't know if their story is true, but CNN aired it again this morning. I tend to think it was. It is the kind of thing 3 college guys would do. If true it is a damning indictment of the rescue and recovery effort.
I also read a report yesterday by a British Columbia Urban Search and Rescue Unit that claimed it was the first, and for many days the only, search and rescue unit working in St. Bernard Parish. How is it possible that Canadians from B.C. could be first on the ground (in the water)? Another damning indictment.
Bob Private Reply to Bob Jasper | | Sep 07, 2005 2:27 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
Bob Jasper | | What I recall is the government of Indonesia or Sri Lanka, can't remember which, having grave concern over the U.S. military (Navy) presence and would not allow Naval training exercises to maintain pilot proficiency ratings in its waters. I do not recall the "locals", if by that you mean citizens affected by the Tsunami, having anything but gratitude for the aid provided. I recall scenes of people rushing out in mass whenever a helicopter landed to get what they could in terms of food, water, and whatever else was being distributed.
Never saw any such helicopters at the Convention Center or the Superdome. Where was the aid at these locations on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday???
Bob Private Reply to Bob Jasper | | Sep 07, 2005 6:14 pm | | re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >"If ever there were a need for innovation"
>
>America as seen from the outside is nothing like the
>country most American's choose to describe.
Hi John,
You raise very provocative questions. I am American and readily agree with this statement.
We have inordinates amount of violent crime, we have a decaying moral base, we have crumbling schools, we have crumbling infrastructure, we have broken levees at our borders allowing millions of uneducated and often disease ridden illegal aliens into the country plus only God knows how many terrorists.
Most Americans have not waken up to this. 911/WTC was the first step in hitting Americans across the head with a metal bar.
The New Orleans Hurricane and lacked of preparation, coupled with the human caused anarchy is the second.
The third wake up call for America will define its fate.
It will most likely be simultaneous nuclear or biological strikes on American cities.
At this point, America will crumble and fall or be reborn.
We can't know yet, what will happen. It's like combat. One can go through basic training, yet until one is fired upon how will one react?
Thus, it will be seen with this third and final test.
If the cultural DNA of Americans is still there, the attitude of rugged individualism, then each of these first two attacks coupled with the third may be equivalent to a good dose of chemotherapy for a cancer patient.
At that point, it is my firm belief that Americans, at least enough, will rise up, not only in arms but orgnizationally and seal the American borders and being a purge of those amongst us who are destructive or do not belong here.
The big danger, though, is that a dictator may emerge to fill such a vacuum of power.
Americans are well known to be a people who don't what for their government to lead them by the nose. Volunteerism, activism and do-ism (is that a word?) are what we've seen for centuries.
Currently, in the Western states immigration is a mess. Over the last 20 years, Western residents have screamed, cajoled and passed political initiatives to seal the border and cut off aid to illegal aliens.
The politicians ignored us.
In response, we have reached a tipping point. There are now at least a dozen anti-immigration groups that are rising rapidly in power and clout and manpower and resources.
They know patrol the border that the Federal government refuses to.
Several governors have jumped on the bandwagon and declared a state of emergency - Arizona, New Mexico. California is pondering this, as well as working to establish a State Border Patrol.
President Bush has declared such actions "vigilantism" and been dead set against it.
Meanwhile, some politicians such as a Senator from Colorado
(Tom Tancredo) have supported these grass roots groups and declared that "it's patriotic to be a vigilante when the government fails to do it's fiduciary duty" (I'm paraphrasing but he did condone such vigilantism").
Americans third test will soon come. How will she respond?
I see that once again the lumbering, sleeping giant is awakening - because the people are awake.
These people, mostly simple Scot-Irish farmers or country boys, Big City Jews, Midwestern Whites and Border State Hispanics were told in WW 2, that they couldn't defeat Samurai Japanese and the feared Aryans from Germany.
We all know how that ended. Japan in ruins with two radioactive cities, Germany razed to the ground.
There were horrific losses of life on all sides in that war, but when the smoke cleared one nation was standing.
It was not because of the government. It was not because of the leadership. It was because of the average people. The American ethos and culture.
WW 2 was full of numerous blunders, missteps and tragedies that cost tens of thousands of American lives. From Pearl Harbor to D-Day, yet in the end American beat all the odds.
I think it will again, although it will be bloody and perhaps another 1 to 5 million Americans will have to die (mostly civilians) and perhaps 10 million directly wounded or affected.
>If you find my posts a year and two years ago on the 500
>Citizens network, you'll see that for a long time I've
>been saying that the USA's political system is broken.
>It's become a huge money machine controlled by corporate
>America that controls both the Republicans and the
>Democrats. These two look alike parties pretend to be in
>opposition to each other, but they serve the same master.
>There is no effective political choice in the USA, their >hasn't been any for years.
I didn't see this post. I wish I did. I very much agree with what you have written.
But, John, there is a huge glimmer of hope now. Americans have been wakening up and starting to fix it. The first signs were masses of both parties either registering as "Independents" or as third parties (Green, Liberatarian, Freedom, etc.).
That is critical. The Green Party so shook up the Democrat party during the previous Democrat National and local San Francisco elections that the Democrat Party sent out all the big guns to silence through threats, lies, smears and lawsuits Matt Gonzalez (in San Francisco) and Ralph Nader Nationally.
Soon, the Republicans will be challenged as well. And it will occur on the immigration issue primarily, and then be coupled with the completely fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush Administration.
>No free press. Courts under political control. Electorate
>gerrymandered to create safe jobs for party hacks.
>Contracts offered on a cost plus basis to to political
>cronies, who fail in their duty but are rewarded anyway.
On the free press, I agree. But again, much good news on the horizon. Currently, mainstream newspaper circulation is in a free fall! Nobody is reading these anymore! They know the press is horrible.
And as the newspapers lose circulation, they lose revenue. It has gotten so bad, many have had to forge circulation figures to prop up ad rates. Many newspapers were audited and people have been tried and even gone to jail.
Now, additional revenue that newspapers relied on, classified ads, job ads and movie listings are either gone or precipitiously falling.
They must give us what we want. News, not spin. Facts not opinion. We want reporters who report facts not journalists who want to change the world.
We want reporters who are not afraid to get a real story, not just rewrite a base story pulled of the AP wire.
This hasn't happened in decades in the US. The lie has even been shown of the much ballyhooed reporters Woodard and Bernstein in exposing Nixon. Turns out, they didn't do any sleuthing. It was information illegal procured by "Deep Throat", a high ranking FBI official that just gave it to them. But he could have given it to anyone. These reporters did no hard work or investigations.
This is what has enabled the explosion of blogs, internet news services, talk radio and the establishment of new cable News services.
Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and more are gone. They are dinosaurs for they forsook their responsibilities or abused them.
>There is enormous need in the USA for legal innovation,
>for political innovation, for educational innovation, for
>health care and social welfare innovation, for social
>innovation. America is the world's most wealthy country,
>but it's not a place most of us would choose to live in.
There is where I disagree. No innovation is needed. You all we need to do is get back to the basics of what America great.
What has destroyed American is innovation! Innovations from so-called progressives that opened our borders to those unlike us, who opened the courts to all manner of lawsuits, who have destroyed our nation.
The problem is we accepted so-called innovations in education, law, welfare and such from 'progressives' and they have killed us.
It's time to clean house and go back to basics.
America will either do this or decline and pay a horrible price.
But we are not alone in suffering. For all that the world hates and despises America, they will suffer the most. America is exactly the reason why Germany and Japan were defeated, why South Korea exists today and why the Soviets were held at bay and later defeated.
Once America is gone or hobbled, China will arise and terrorize Asia, leading to massive fear and instability (examples already: Tibet, Taiwan, North Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Philippines).
Asian will spend billions to defend themselves. Suddenly South Korean who spit on American soldiers or Japanese who complain about noisy American helicopters will be screaming for American to come back.
Europe will do the same. Italy, Germany, even France.
>USA is a great nation in a process of self destruction. I
>have said before that political reform is the only way to
>stop riots in the street. Cities will burn one day. The
>blatant (but unacknowledged) racism and uncaring attitude
>towards the difference in education standards, health care
>and income of most people, and the lot of the bottom 20%
>of the population is a time bomb ticking away.
Cities have already burned many times. Always at the hands of non-white third worlders.
The 911/WTC attacks were by non-white, aliens from the middle east. Proper immigration policy, such as that that excluded such individuals prior to 1965 would have prevented that.
In additional, we have been prevented by 'progressives' not to racially profile or question non-whites, so we killed ourselves on 911.
Other examples of cities burning are seen often in the hands of third world blacks.
The burned Los Angeles to the ground twice. All blacks, with a healthy heap of help from brown skinned Hispanics.
In 1965 they burned it down. In 1992, they burned it down again. Over 900 buildings and homes were burned to the ground. Scores murdered. Thousands of whites beaten.
Certain parts of Los Angeles never recovered. Businesses either went bankrupt or picked up and left.
Even Iraq is not as violent or dangerous as what you find in black or hispanic areas in the United States.
America has always had rich and poor. The difference is, that when the poor were whites, there wasn't this violence.
Either by nature or nuture (the timeless question) whites didn't. Why? Why didn't poor whites form these gangs and burn down Los Angeles or New York?
Why did Irish, Scots-Irish, German or Scandinavian Immigrants do this?
This is exactly while pre-1965 immigration laws gave preferential treatment to white Europeans and allowed only the most cultured and educated non-white Europeans.
It benefitted everyone.
>There will be in the USA, young radicals who are today
>thinking of the time when they will be "home grown suicide
>bombers". They may not be Muslim, the might just be black.
John, we already have them. They don't use bombs yet. They use guns, knives, arson and fists. They are blacks and increasing brown-skinned hispanics.
I saw an article in the news that showed black comprised 9% of the US population but commited over 50% of all murder in the US. If you want the murder rate to decrease, stop blacks.
>Third world countries are expected to do better under UN
>supervision, and they do. Jimmy Carter declared that the
>election of Chavez in Venezuela was very well run, and
>that the election of GW Bush in the USA clearly failed the
>same test.
Are you sure third world countries are doing better? I see starvation after starvation and massacre after massacre in Africa.
Prior to UN meddling South Africa was a rich country and prosperous. It is now a hell zone.
Zimbabwe was the same. It was even a net exporter of grain. Now it can no longer feed her people.
The UN sat by in Rwanda and watched over 500,000 people murdered in a genocide.
The UN sat by and watch similar atrocities in Bosnia and the Balkans.
The UN is embroiled in a massive sex crimes and oil for food scandal.
For those that trust themselves to UN governance, I wish them luck, but that is not an option or viable for American or any Liberty-oriented humans.
>Nothing will get fixed until most American's understand
>that many things need fixing. Belief that "America is the
>greatest country in the world" is a stopper that prevents
>things from being fixed.
>The Constitution is part of the
>problem, fixing that is part of the solution. If GW Bush
>succeeds in stacking the Supreme Court with conservative
>judges, fixing the Constitution might be delayed 30 years.
>I can't be sure that the USA has the luxury of 30 years to
>do it. It increasingly looks to me like we'll have blood
>in the streets first.
The Constitution is only a problem now because of what the progressives have down to it. Get rid of certain amendments, get back to basics and we will recover.
Also, a major problem is not the Constitution but the way the activist judiciary now interprets it.
The next phase of the American revolution is to purge the judiciary of activist judges and find strict or stricter constructionists.
Anyway, we already have blood in the streets. Blood spilled by non-whites. At some point, whites will wake up. It will be our second civil war, split along not only ideological but racial laws.
In the end, America will be purged, but a dictator may arise. A true dictator like Stalin, Castro or Hitler.
And then the world will tremble and find out the difference between the kind America they never loved or appreciated and a new one that reigns hell fire and brimstone.
America has been called an Imperial Nation so often which isn't true. An Imperial Nation doesn't protect other nations or spend tens of billions in rebuilding its former enemies or giving money away.
The New America, if it is what I think it will become will become the greatest empire in history. And the world will tremble in fear.
And those that are in fear can only blame the progessive and proto-Marxists who have spent five decades or more destroying the bedrock of our Constitution, our way of life and our morality.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.Private Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 6:25 pm | | re: re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >We have to remember, when we disparage the black population
>of New Orleans for looting, that the South in America has
>still got the vestiges of segregation and that the class
>distinction is more evident in the urban areas.
Should we give them a free pass for senseless murders, rapes and sniping at relief workers and relief helicopters?
Africa/Africans have a very rich, long and violent history.
It far predates any European colonialization of Africa.
That is, I see that Africa has developed a very violent culture. Now have they brought that culture here or is culture a physical manifestation of race or genes?
If we know that genes control our skin color, height and other physical features, can it not be that it controls our propensity to violence?
It is said that each racial group is almost genetically exact. The key word is 'almost'.
You see, we also know that frogs, insects and humans are also 'almost' exact genetically. A few minor genes can be the difference between an insect or a human.
And now it seems a civilized human versus a savage predator biped.Private Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 6:32 pm | | re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >I also read a report yesterday by a British Columbia Urban
>Search and Rescue Unit that claimed it was the first, and
>for many days the only, search and rescue unit working in >St. Bernard Parish. How is it possible that Canadians from >B.C. could be first on the ground (in the water)? Another >damning indictment.
Because they are all unemployed up there. (Joke!).
Canadians are very capable people and those from the Western Canada compared to the Eastern Canadians have a much more can-do, rugged ethos.
By the way, has anyone heard heard how irrational, uneducated and crass the Black Mayor of New Orleans is? Listen to this embarrasing interview:
http://bedazzled.blogs.com/bedazzled/files/Nagin.mp3
I would also note, that several days before this interview, Mayor Nagin was sitting a Starbucks Latte on TV and explaining that everything was under control and that he had planned for everything.
Its the blind leading the blind. Is this Natural Selection in action, unfolding before our eyes?
I truly wonder, less and less everyday.
Darwin didn't need to waste his time trawling the Galapagos Islands. He could have simply dropped into Cafe Du Monde in New Orleans brought a lab book.Private Reply to James Griffin Media | | Sep 07, 2005 8:36 pm | | re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
Bob Jasper | | Jim,
you wrote:
"And then the world will tremble and find out the difference between the kind America they never loved or appreciated and a new one that reigns hell fire and brimstone."
Are you trying to tell me that isn't what we have now??? Ask anyone living in Iraq.
I remember when W first took office way back in 2000, he was visiting the leaders of Congress (before the vote was even tallied in Florida) and he got that little s--t-eating grin on his face and said, "well, after all, this isn't a dictatorship". And the clear implication was that he wished it were. He still does folks.
Bush wants to believe the world operates the way he and his inner circle believes it does, to hell with the truth. He wants to believe he and his admin are doing a great job in LA, MS, and AL, so by God, they are! Forget the fact that he cut 1/3 of FEMA's budget. Remember the fact that he hugged a couple of properly cleaned and screened black women in front of a pile of rubble with Trent Lott and a pack of reporters in tow. W is all about appearances. I'm just surprised there was not a big banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" flying when he visited Biloxi. He fits right in with the Mayor of NO and the governor of LA. They are cut from the same cloth.
Bob
Private Reply to Bob Jasper | | Sep 07, 2005 9:15 pm | | re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
Bob Jasper | | Hi John:
You wrote:
"Nothing will get fixed until most American's understand that many things need fixing. Belief that "America is the greatest country in the world" is a stopper that prevents things from being fixed. The Constitution is part of the problem, fixing that is part of the solution. If GW Bush succeeds in stacking the Supreme Court with conservative judges, fixing the Constitution might be delayed 30 years. I can't be sure that the USA has the luxury of 30 years to do it. It increasingly looks to me like we'll have blood in the streets first."
IMO, the USA has been on a downslide for many years, perhaps since the end of WWII. You are right, nothing will get fixed until enough people believe it is broken. The 2000 election should have proven to everyone that the system was broken. The Vietnam war should have proved it. Bush's stack of lies used to rationalize going to war in Iraq to gain control of Iraqi oil and rid the Bushes of the Saddam menace to the family should have proved it.
Bush will stack the court and it will be a major set-back for civil rights and civil decency in this country. We are rapidly becoming a very polarized society, as the events in New Orleans underscore. Race is very much a factor, but an even greater one is economic class. The poor become poorer while Gates and Buffet stack up their millions upon millions. Pay for teachers never reaches $100,000; the pay for the poorest athlete never drops below several million.
What is happening in New Orleans could just as easily be happening in Washington D.C. or any other major U.S. city. Subject people to that much stress and it will bring out the best in some and the worst in others. When those who have very little lose even what little they have, what have they got left to lose? And, if there are no jails to lock them up in and no police to jail those who take advantage of the situation...
Bob Private Reply to Bob Jasper | | Sep 07, 2005 9:21 pm | | re: re: re: re: Katrina - - If ever there were a need for innovation | # |
James Griffin Media | | >>>>>
"And then the world will tremble and find out the difference between the kind America they never loved or appreciated and a new one that reigns hell fire and brimstone."
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Are you trying to tell me that isn't what we have now??? Ask anyone living in Iraq.
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Hi Bob,
This is nothing that may be coming. Consider that if we were a real Imperial nation or had a dictator, we would even have any news about Iraq - let alone any negative news.
Remember, as millions of Soviets starved to death in previous famines, Soviet newspapers reported record bumper crops.
If we had a true Imperial nation, you would not see any negative reporting coming out from Iraq.
There would be no care or concern about Gitmo or Abu Ghraib.
And the war would have been over months ago.
We wouldn't see articles and handwringing about soldiers handling a Quran with whitegloves or about them taking
their shoes off before entering a Mosque or letting enemy soldiers hide there.
The US has the capability to level Iraq and has had it from the go. The only thing holding us back is we are not Imperial and we are not a dictatorial nation.
Lastly, if we were Imperialist, we really are poor at it because one of the main things we need is oil. We didn't we seize the oil wells and take or free, all that we needed from Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia?
No one could have stopped us. But somehow we still pay for it. We could easily own the entire middle east and do so with perhaps only 1,000 US deaths. How? Well, would simply raze every city to the ground from the air.
Millions would die but we wouldn't care and we would reach our objective.
The fact that we don't and haven't done any of those things and get constant negative reports from Iraq tells me we aren't Imperial or dictatorial.
That doesn't mean I like President Bush or am happy with him or his handling of Iraq, the Middle East, the economy, the budget, the border or New Orleans. I give him an 'F' on all of that. But he isn't a dictator nor are we Imperialists.
But we could easily become that if we are not careful.
Cheers
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