Ryze - Business Networking Get a Coderbuddy developer now
www.coderbuddy.com

"I Highly Recommend Them" - Magnitude.io CEO; US timezone; affordable rates; Silicon Valley leadership
Get your software built!
Buy Ethereum and Bitcoin
Get started with Cryptocurrency investing
Home Invite Friends Networks Friends classifieds
Home

Apply for Membership

About Ryze


Bangalore Business Network
Previous Topic | Next Topic | Topics
The Bangalore Business Network Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts
brutalities in bangaloreViews: 16515
Oct 03, 2005 4:12 pmbrutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
Hi!

I would like to bring to notice a certain injustice that I have subjected to at the Bangalore Railway Station (Majestic). On September 30 (Friday), 2005, I had been to the station to see off my fiance and her mother. They took the Karnataka Express (Train #2627) to Jhansi at 6:30 pm.

On my way out I was asked to present my platform ticket by a railway official. On producing the same, the TT turned around and told me "What if I say that you haven't given me the ticket?" Before I could react, he along with his colleague pushed me into the adjacent enquiry cabin and physically manhandled me. I was slapped several times, my spectacles were grabbed and deliberately crushed by foot, and my phone was flung away from me. The RPF comprising of one RPF and four constables, appeared on the scene. The surrounding public was whisked away. None of the railway police officials cared to listen to me and they started hitting me indiscriminately with lathis. They dragged me out, and all the 4 constables continued hitting me with lathis from Platform 1 to Platform 3/5, till we reached the station master's cabin. Racist abuses and threats were made on the way. At the station master's cabin, I was told that I have been charged with a non-bailable offence and would be behind bars for 15 days.

Not for a single moment was I allowed to speak. All of a sudden a stranger came to the scene and he claimed that he was there to help me. Having lost all my physical strength and mental senses, I was happy to see some sort of help. He, claiming to be V Srinivas from Infosys, talked to the officials and the railway police in Kannada. He told me that the only way I was to get out was if I was willing to pay my way through. Being in no state to make a rational choice, I gave him my ATM card and pin. He took one of the RPF chaps along with him and said he would clear the matter. He returned some time later saying that everything was okay now.

I was asked to sign a statement which said that I hit the police and TT in a drunken state. I refused. Finally, they pressurized me to write that I did not produce a platform ticket when asked. I wrote the same and then V Srinivas took me out of the station. He joined me in an auto and took me to the ICICI ATM at Anand Rao circle. He withdrew Rs. 15000 from my ATM and got back. he took the cash under the pretext that while helping me he had left his wallet in the train he had left behind and that he would return the same through his ICICI Internet account. Having broken down mentally I did not realise that I was being cheated. He then took me to a Samsung showroom and tried purchasing a cellphone worth Rs. 18500 with my card. It was only then that I realised what was happening. I grabbed my card back, caught him by the collar, snatched my cash that lay in his pocket, and got into a running auto.

I have now realized that all of this was a plan. There is a strong nexus between the railway officials, the railway police and the fraudster. The railway officials identify a victim who they think is well-to-do, the RPF beat that individual till he has no physical or mental well-being. Then this fraud chap comes on to the scene, takes advantage of the situation, and takes all your cash away. Also, this series of events generally occurs on the last day of the month as they know that the salary gets credited on this day. (This strikes me now because the self-proclaimed Infy employee, V Srinivas, clearly asked me whether I had received my salary. He said that he just wanted to find out if there was cash enough to tackle the case.)

Now three days hence, I have tried to run from pillar to post. I have been forced to miss office hours in my effort to get justice. But I don't want to give up the fight midway. If any of you are in the media, or have friends/relatives who are in the industry, I'd like to speak with them about this in greater detail. I can be reached on 09886179319 or 08030933067. I believe it would catalyze my efforts.

Also, please pass this email to all the people who reside in Bangalore, so that they don't fall into the same trap.

Regards,
Nimish V Adani
Business Development Manager,
Izmo Cars (a division of Logix Microsystems)
IIML Batch of 2003
ITBHU batch of 2001

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 03, 2005 6:15 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Subir Dhar
Dear Nimish,

It is encouraging that you have brought this to the notice of the people of Bangalore.

Let us take the lead in bringing the culprits to book... the "collective" mind of Ryzers should make this happen.

Some of the inputs needed :
Will you be able to recognise the culprits (am sure the RPF top brass will be able to identify based on the date and time of the assault).

Secondly, does the ATM at ICICI AnandRao Circle have a camera - then the culprit can be identified.

Thirdly, the complaint can be made to Infosys, as their name is being sullied, and so they should be interested in seeing the culprits caught.

Lets take the initiative..Any pointers and guidance is welcome.

Regards

Subir

Private Reply to Subir Dhar

Oct 03, 2005 6:29 pmbrutalities in bangalore#

Rajiv Thundil Krishna
Hi Nimish!!

This is too much man. But do you recognise all those people in the railway station and so on. Incase u go to the media u must be well equipped with all these questions.

I suggest u call for a press conferance at the press club at cubbon park and u invite all the nedia persons there and report matter.

U must book the hall and then give them the matter to be published and an invitation at the press club.

u must be willing to take the press guys to the police and railway station and so on. In case u reach the station they will blame you for all sort of things so be prepared for all that.

But however go to the press club meet some press guys out there and then take a decision

Am sure u will suceed in bringing this to the public.

All the best to you.

regards
Rajiv


Private Reply to Rajiv Thundil Krishna

Oct 03, 2005 6:34 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

SKJY
Dear Nimish,

The points mentioned by Mr. Subir Dhar are worth pursuing...

Also do u know the name of the TT, who was the cause of the incident.

Let us do something, because i had heard so many complaints of the TT`s at Majestic station, which i neglected it to be rumours.

But after listening to your version, i think we ryzers must collectively come out and do something to book the culprits.

Any others for the take!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

Jaffrey

Private Reply to SKJY

Oct 03, 2005 7:22 pmre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
I do not know any names, but I recognize all the faces - railway officials, RPF, and the fraudster. They are firmly etched in my mind.

I do not know if there is a camera at the ATM at Anand rao Circle, but if there is one then the fraudster's face would be easy to trace down as he was there for a substantial period of time. In fact I am quite sure that certain things he said can be recalled by the security there as he questioned the guard quite a few times.

I have forwarded the mail to all the yahoogroups I am a member of, and many members are Infy employees, and I am sure they'll do the needful.

As for the press conference, I am more than willing to participate in one, if any of you could guide me with the procedure. Some Ryze members have already fwded the mail to journalists though.

This is a question about basic human dignity and I am committed to fighting this till satisfactory action isn't taken. Till then, the mental and physical torture I have undergone remain fresh as ever.

Thanks for the support offered by fellow Ryzers on this network.

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 03, 2005 8:31 pmre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramanathan Seshan a.k.a Slash
nimish

go to the railway station with a couple of friends. try and identify the TT if you see him. this might require a coupel of visits at different times.

note the name on his badge and go to the station masters cabin and ask for the complaint book. and write down the complaint naming the guy.

the station master will be very hesitant in giving it to you but if you are firm he will give it. dont shout just speak calmly and ask for your right. ask him to counter sign the complaint and take your copy with you.

things move slowly in government circles but within a month or two you will receive a complaint from the railway board informing you about what they have done about the case.

i had a bad exp with the railways in hazrat nizamuddin at delhi. i wanted a spot booking on august kranti to mumbai and the train had 50 seats empty. I was there 30 minutes before the train left and total there were 5 people in the queue. the TC came 25 mins b4 the train departure and spent 20 minutes chatting with the next door stall and having his paan. and then issues 1 ticket before the train left.

i had to spend on a plane ticket to come back to mum but i did the above and wrote in the compaint that this guys was caused a loss of 6000 for the railsways as 4 people did not get the ticket and if he did that every day then the loss to railways annually was many times that.

2 months later i got a letter informing me that this guys service has been terminated and they thanked me for bringing this to their notice.

put my faith back in the government.

rgds

ram

Private Reply to Ramanathan Seshan a.k.a Slash

Oct 04, 2005 4:06 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Harish Agarwal
Nimish,
I am shocked to hear what happened to you at the Railway station! Cannot believe the city has come to this stage... And I have never heard anything like this before where the officials are so openly involved in something like this...
This is not just about things moving slowly in govt circles or TTs taking moeny and giving tickets... This is pure cheating and dacoity!! I have a few friends in media and I will definitely bring this to their notice... They will probably verify with you so I will pass on your numbers to them!
I really hope you are able to pin down each of those thug and get to the bottom of this...
Let me know if there is anything else that I can do

Regards


Private Reply to Harish Agarwal

Oct 04, 2005 4:41 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Asheeth Manu
Hi Nimish,

Shocking incident indeed.

In addition to all the above suggestions, I would also like to suggest that you call up one of the many crime helplines on the various news channels nowadays - aaj tak, ndtv etc.

They are more likely than not to take over your case..and if they do, you can be sure of some sort of justice and also wide publicity of this incident.

I understand this must be very shocking. Hang in there.

Take care,
Asheeth

Private Reply to Asheeth Manu

Oct 04, 2005 5:02 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Ashis Dutta
To the credit of the railways, if you lodge a formal complain to the railways, 2 things will inevitably happen:
1. There will be a genuine enquiry.
2. You shall receive a letter from the railways as to their finding.

I can not say the same thing about airlines or 5 star hotels, but railways is good at this one thing – from my 25 years of experience.

Send a hard copy complain, by registered post, saying you can identify the culprits and give a cc to 4/5 top brasses in the railways in Bangalore and Delhi. Provide precise time and the gate (which gate) of the incident, exact location of the place where you have been heckled.

Take immediate action.

Ashis

Private Reply to Ashis Dutta

Oct 04, 2005 5:18 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Sandeep Ghosh
I think we all should help him out in getting justice in our own little ways. I am wondering did Nimish lodged FIR in any police station. I think it is better if he consult any lawyer for this purpose. My blood boils when I think that even after paying 1/4 of our salary as tax we get this raw treatment.

Sandeep

Private Reply to Sandeep Ghosh

Oct 04, 2005 5:46 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

~ r o h i t ~
Hello Nimish,
I completely empathise with you. This is daylight robbery. I think you should have lodged a complaint in the Police Station the same day. The TT and the higher officials at the Railway department will not help you, go to the police instead. If you know some Politician or some Known Person in the Karnataka Government, contact them and take the tt and the constables to task.
I have the contact of this Lady from NDTV. She had come as the moderator for the panel discusion organised by our college so i took her card.
she might not remeber me.

her name is Maya Sharma, she is the senior editor.her contact details are as follows:
60/1, coles road, frazer town, bangalore-560005
phone: 25542072/73
fax: 25543393
email: mayas@ndtv.com

hope she will be of some help to u!!!
All the best and let me know if u need any other kind of help.
Take care!
:-)

Private Reply to ~ r o h i t ~

Oct 04, 2005 5:49 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Renith Valsaraj
I think the case really needs attention. Firstly, lodge a formal complaint with the Police for the brutalities. Meanwhile, try and approach the Press as suggested by meeting them at the Press Club.
If any of the members on the BBN are part of the Press please come forward to help.

Most of the times the culprits get away because we do not stand up against them. Lets not give them another chance.

Look up this link if you wish to be heard by the Commisioner directly. http://www.karnataka.com/faq/
"How do I complain to the police chief [Bangalore City Police Commissioner] directly?"

Private Reply to Renith Valsaraj

Oct 04, 2005 6:16 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

SOEB FATEHI
I was informed about this post by a friend from Chennai.
Many valuable suggestions and supporting advice has already
been posted by friends here.

I will add here that there are two distinct jurisdiction
within which the offences fall.

What happened at the Railway Station is RPF domain
and what happened elsewhere is Karnataka Police domain.

You will need to distinctly need to divide the information
whilst complaining.

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Oct 04, 2005 6:36 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Shobha(usha) gowri
Nimish
I think what is mising is the fact that you did not file a police case immediately.
I am sure you were in no frame of mind after this disaster-truly blood curdling
But do it immediately bec they can deny everything you are saying.
So file anyway -in two places
One for the raiways and two to the CRPF-go in comapny and never alone
Also take multiple copies of your ATM and bank statement-go the shop where he was to purchase the mobile-see if they can remeber somehting
Fool proof your statement fast and then go to the press-meet up with the Chief in the railways and give him a written statement-go back and post under certification
Trying to identify anyone now is going to be difficult-but give the police a description and to all and sundry you meet-put it on paper.Ask over phone for the log book of who was there-ask over phone-say he asked for some details and you lost his telephone number and name-get the guys name
For me it is also two factors that are worrying
In bangalore???thugism??where are we heading?
Secondly the police -we never go to them-
If you need help let me know-I will put you on to my friends in the police who can advise you on what to do
Gowri




Private Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri

Oct 04, 2005 6:49 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Renith Valsaraj
I just spoke with Nimish and he was heading to the DIG's office alone. I cautioned him and advised him to take a couple of friends along.

Private Reply to Renith Valsaraj

Oct 04, 2005 7:05 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
I would suggest that all members of Ryze rise against this sort of facism.If left unchallenged ,especially after it is reported publicly,the perpetrators would get encouraged.
I,being outside B'lore, do not know how the media in B'lore has reacted to the complaint.I hope they take interest as the sentinel of the Public The brutaliy needs the strongest condemnation from all whether Bangaloreans or otherwise
S.Ramaswamy
Chennai

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 04, 2005 7:13 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Indu and Niranjan rao
Shocking! I think we need to come out with a collective effort as Ram says.. coz the voice of a 100 is definetly louder and impactful than a lone voice.. though there'll be some chaos.
Anything that i can do, please lemme know.

Private Reply to Indu and Niranjan rao

Oct 04, 2005 7:24 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Sandeep Ghosh
I have just send mails to all my friends asking to look at this page and do the needful. I hope this issue will be networked to a wider audience. We should rest only after seeing logical conclusion of this case. I hope Nimesh give us daily update,so that we know what is happening.
Why I am so angry, well let me quote from Jagjit Singh gazal.

"Chand ke saath kai dard purane nikle, kitne gaam thae ki tere gham ki bhane nikle"

My horrible effort for translation
“With moon lot of old hurts came out. So much grievances were laying low that they came pouring out on your small excuse”

Private Reply to Sandeep Ghosh

Oct 04, 2005 7:30 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vincent Sunder
This could have happened to any of us. Do keep us informed of the progress please. Any, and all of us who can help in any which way, should reach out help to bring the culprits to book.

Private Reply to Vincent Sunder

Oct 04, 2005 7:43 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Lucifers Babe
Nimish,

I really want to help you out. Can you post your correct mobile number as I was unable to reach you. Also there was no response from your landline.

Regards
Sunila

Private Reply to Lucifers Babe

Oct 04, 2005 8:39 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

libini joy
nimish,
renith posted the link asking me if i cud get some attention for the story in the media. i'm not with deccan herald anymore as my profile says, but i've passed on ur details to some of my ex-colleagues at dh, hope they'll do the needful, just in case u dont hear frm them, do call 080-25880507 and talk to the chief reporter...in any case, i think it's very important that u file a complaint immediately and do all the press briefing only after that....shall also pass on ur number to all the media contacts that i hve in blore, also mke it a point to contact NDTV....i wud hve been in a better position to help u out if i was there, i'm currently out of the country...anywaz, i shall try my best to get this across to the media..we shall hope for the best
libini

Private Reply to libini joy

Oct 04, 2005 9:04 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ravithesungod


Nimish,

This is really Shocking , Hope u get justice

Keep Positng on the tread so that others will know what
has happened after filing the case and press conference

IS Banglore going the Bihar/UP way?


Regards

Ravi

Private Reply to Ravithesungod

Oct 04, 2005 9:15 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Jitendra Bigtani
Sad to know your incident. I can see lot of posts helping you. Let me know if I can something from my side too.
Jitendra Bigtani

Private Reply to Jitendra Bigtani

Oct 04, 2005 9:21 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

I'm Perfectly Imperfect...!!
Hey Nimish,
Sorry to hear this man. It really would have helped had u clicked snaps of the condition u were in after these thugs were done with u. ThI would suggest approaching the Railway authority and making a formal complaint. Then approach the news channels and press so that the exposure and public outcry will forst the hand of the Railway authorities.
Stay strong and yes do not go alone to any of the authorities.

All the best.

Private Reply to I'm Perfectly Imperfect...!!

Oct 04, 2005 9:37 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Samir Ghuge
Dear All,

I think apart from suggestions what NIMISH need is our support in terms of making it clear to culprits they can't take things for granted.

I feel lets go thru legal process by hiring a lawyer. If anyone got good names please suggest. Im willing to share the lawyer expenses for this cause as its matter of dignity and human rights. Today it’s Nimish, tomorrow it can be anyone out of us and anywhere in Bangalore.

Nimish - do let me know when you willing to visit Railway station or police or press ..you can count my presence.


Thanks
Samir

Private Reply to Samir Ghuge

Oct 04, 2005 9:39 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Ravishankar Daitota
This incident is quite common in our nation. Some time back a similar (not exactly of the same nature) was reported in the network. Some passengers in the bus (TN registration) harassed by the cops for money (near sakleshpur).

These incidents and many more of different nature; clearly show that unless we put our foot strong and oppose, will never improve. May be it is difficult (but not impossible) to reach a justified end in the initial stages, which should not stop us from fighting against the system. If we do not do it now, as it grows it is very difficult in the later stages. We need to do it NOW. It is not possible for one person to fight against the system though his “stand” is justified. Every incident like this has to be opposed by citizens but not one or two individuals. The result will be 100% positive if we do it as a strong group of citizens. After all it is our money that pays the salary of these government servants.

The fight should not end with one such incident. There are many more incidents like this; I am sure each one of us might have faced one or the other such incidents. Whether it is police, BMP, BWSSB, etc. or any other such Govt. organizations, there is no end to this.

I myself have tried opposing and fighting such issues alone, but of no use. Recently a friend of mine met with a minor road accident at infantry road. She was riding a two-wheeler on infantry road near gem plaza. The car from the opposite side (remember infantry road is “one way”) hit her. The person driving the car was a close relative of one of the DGP`s in Karnataka Police. The traffic cops who came to the sot, instead of registering the case advised the lady to carry on saying if she lodges a complaint she would be in to a lot of trouble (coz` the car driver is DGP `s relative). Though her losses were considerable she had to leave the place without any solutions. I had spent a lot of time trying to get justice but till today no results.

How long we have to bear all this???

Let us unite and show them what we can do. The beginning is important to start a journey.

Nimishh, Your numbers are not accessible. Please provide your contact numbers and the address.

Thanks and regards.
Ravishankar Daitota

Private Reply to Ravishankar Daitota

Oct 04, 2005 9:39 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raunak Kundu
Nimish,


This is shocking ,as this can happen to anyone of us.I feel ,let us take this up in a bigger way.

Why not stage a silent protest march to the city railway station master on Sat/Sunday.

Just a suggestion.

I think as responsible citizens, we have a larger role to play in making our society a better place to live in.

I also blame ourselves in this kind of incidents since many of us(including me) are unperturbed by the happenings around us untill it directly affects us ,or our loved ones.


Regards
Raunak

Private Reply to Raunak Kundu

Oct 04, 2005 10:04 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Dhananjaya Kulkarni
Hi Nimish..

Really this is a shocking news...we have an association of Past students of Journalism department, Karnataka University Dharwad here in Bangalore and have posted the message to our e-group...please let me know what kind of support you need..definately we all will come with you..If you need any help please do call me on 98862-22271.

Thanks and Regards,
Dhananjaya Kulkarni

Private Reply to Dhananjaya Kulkarni

Oct 04, 2005 10:37 am Brutalities in bangalore#

Nitin Shah
I could not beleive my eyes when I read the article. Is it really happening in Bangalore ? I have heard of these instances in Bihar and UP, but in Silicon Valley ? If this happens to educated and well of citizens of this country, think about million of poors, who can not defend themselves and the best part of it all is our so called lawmakers are in power becuase of these poor people, whom they have sworn to protect !

Though it might involve time,money and efforts but it should be followed legally all the way to the Supreme Court. I am ready to offer all the help I can. You just need to call me at 98450-13252

Nitin

Private Reply to Nitin Shah

Oct 04, 2005 10:47 amre: Brutalities in bangalore#

Feroz Zaveri
Nimish,

If you'd like to speak with NDTV, you could drop into their office in Cox Town, (Bangalore East, 3km from Commercial Stree). I know someone who worked there. She mentioned that they're normally very sensitive to these issues and would surely help you. Apparently, they're not too keen on telephonic interviews on such matters.. Please call me on 98804 99200 for directions and further info..

Hang in there!
Feroz..

Private Reply to Feroz Zaveri

Oct 04, 2005 10:50 amre: Brutalities in bangalore#

kirty
Hi,
I was shocked to hear about this, and that what is this rascit remarks. I suspect that there maybe some connection to some prolific anti-social organisation, in which they are doing agitation infront of IT companies to give them more preference, rather like a quota in IT Jobs.
Well I got it in a mail, and I just copy pasted it to ryze.Maybe it wil appear after sometime.

Cheers,
Kirty

Private Reply to kirty

Oct 04, 2005 10:56 amre: Brutalities in bangalore#

ravi kota
Hi Nimish and all who have pledged their support,
This is beyond anything i have ever seen, looks like its straight out of a movie. I am sorry for what you had to go through Nimish and i am glad that you are getting the support you need.
I feel that you should try to contact Tehelka at www.tehelka.com, they have uncovered such activities through their covert ops in the past and i sure hope that they can help you. Please visit their site and i will also see if i can contact someone there regarding this.

Koramangala weekly is a new newspaper which is growing at a rapid pace, maybe you should also talk to them. Shall i give them your details and if they ask you to call them would you be able to do that?

All the best!
Kiran

Private Reply to ravi kota

Oct 04, 2005 12:04 pmre: re: Brutalities in bangalore#

venky the 'tranquillized soul'
hi,

i am extending my support let me know of any help

regards

venky

Private Reply to venky the 'tranquillized soul'

Oct 04, 2005 12:07 pmre: re: Brutalities in bangalore#

Anupam Ketkar
Garish incident, really. Serious, i dont understand why you have waited for so many days to lodge a complaint cos legally u are nowhere if u dont have a written printed piece of paper. So, first things first, get that done. If they ask you for some proof that you were injured or someone harmed you - is there someway you can go about that? or was their anyone who can be ur witness? jus ask urselves these questions before you complain...

I know for sure that these incidents happen all the time- its not only in bihar, not only in india. Anyway, take care, man.

Private Reply to Anupam Ketkar

Oct 04, 2005 12:49 pmre: re: re: Brutalities in bangalore#

Khaiser Jabeen
Hi Nimish,
Can't belive that it happened to you at a railway station,i percieve that to be one of the safest modes of travel..........and to think that it could happen to you there is truly shocking!!glad that you have brought it out here,and hope to see something constructive coming out of this for you.
keep the faith!

Private Reply to Khaiser Jabeen

Oct 04, 2005 1:23 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Shobha(usha) gowri
Amidst all this horror-what really gladens my heart is that so many of you all out there are looking to DO something and not just talk
I think it is a good idea for us to form a group that will make a lot of noise-people in the televiison.newspapers and of course us.
The incident of a police's relative is exactly why we will only get worse-next time write down the number -post it for all to see-how do you know if the police guy will really take the relatives side-was he one in the first place?-so lets also include the good guys in the police-putting all of them in one basket may not be the right way-after all they are the law keepers-let me know if that would be a good meeting point
And to those of you who said what about teh illiterate it is good to know the prisons are full of people who are totally innocent and to whom no justice will ever be given in this life time
G

Private Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri

Oct 04, 2005 1:29 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Arun G
Nimish,

Sorry about the incident, The good thing that you did is to bring this to public and not keep it with you. The incident had caught enough attention and you would definetly get the justice.

Like many of us here i'm willing to help you in all possible way. Let us know. take care!

Private Reply to Arun G

Oct 04, 2005 2:15 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

harikrishnan
Hi Nimish,
I got the forward regarding your incident several times today.That shows that how much this has reached the public.So definetely this should be highlighted on the media also as others bangloreans should be well informed too...

Private Reply to harikrishnan

Oct 04, 2005 2:18 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vignesh C A
Nimish -

Sorry to hear about this man!! Can't believe this happened in Bangalore Railway station, at least I never heard.

I would suggest you to visit the Asst. Commissioner's office in person, after you file a formal complain with the Anand Rao circle police station. Let this incident reach the top official, at least we could expect some decent action from their end.

I would like to state an incident, involving a single cop, which my brother went through. This happened about a year ago. He was on his way to office when his bike just kissed the traffic inspector's bike, unintentional. The policeman immediately got off his bike, and without listening just hit my brother twice. Within couple of hours, my brother and his friends were at the Asst. Commissioner's office. I should say he received a very good response from them. The Inspector, who hit my brother was called immediately to the Asst. Commissioner's office and was clobbered with words from the Asst. Commissioner himself. The inspector was sweating like sh*t, trust me!!. He was, even though sent with a warning, a formal one I guess.

What I'm trying to say is, don't give up on your fight. There are still people who would listen.

Moreover! If nobody, the Ryzers are always with you...

Vignesh

Private Reply to Vignesh C A

Oct 04, 2005 2:43 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Prashant Khanna
Hi Nimish,

I am Prashant .. and just wanted to tell you, I am with you.. you decide and let us know here in this forum.. those people are really going to have a real bitter taste, we will make there Day of HELL.

Prashant.

Private Reply to Prashant Khanna

Oct 04, 2005 2:46 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Ronald de Saran
Hey and they tell us this happens only in Bihar.

Well Bangalore does not want to be left behind, why should Bihar have all the glory of gory happenings.

This is the cause of Bangalore growing too fast in one direction. Every one now gloats over the rich IT guys, no one talks about the rich non-it guys.

Blame the media for it. Every thing in Bangalore revolves around IT so why not crime.

I do wish what happened to you does not happen to any one else. Do not go alone anywhere always have some one with you and do not appear rich or from the IT group.

The IT group is now the target of all under paid people in this city.

I wish I knew some one who could help, but I am afraid this is some what like the nuex between the underworld and police as it happened in Bombay.

We must be careful.

I do hope you will be able to get justice.

Private Reply to Ronald de Saran

Oct 04, 2005 3:15 pmre: brutalities in bangalore -#

Vinod
Hi Nimish. I would suppose all the mails and calls must be doin some good to let you know your message has indeed got around. Humanity apart, I must say that the fact that you were a Ryzer made it more disturbing. We connect as family I feel and you could be rest assured we would do the best we can to get your message to where its worth.

My wishes to you. Godspeed.

Private Reply to Vinod

Oct 04, 2005 4:43 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half
This is really Shocking and bad , Hope u get justice

I can help you get contacts with the Tamil media where incidents like this are covered well and brought to justice
let me know..
i can be reached at 09841267911

Private Reply to Don't give up at halftime. Concentrate on winning the second half

Oct 04, 2005 6:51 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Kiran Chalapathy
Hey Guys,

Where is Nimish? I dont see him to have replied to any of our concerns. However, in the confidence of all this being true, I understand that Nimish has been in a lot of pain and i sincerely respect his decision ot stand up to himself and the situation he faced.


Three concerns-

?? why has nimish not bothered to file an FIR on the same day?

?? Why has Nimish not replied to any of our concerns except once as yet?

?? Why would Nimish post not one but TWO unreachable numbers if he is genuinely looking for help????

Is Nimish really serious about taking these people to justice? Is this all true to the word? I dont know... but if he is then he could count me in to help him in whatever mode necessary and/or possible legally...

Cheers,
Kiran

Private Reply to Kiran Chalapathy

Oct 04, 2005 7:54 pmre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
Thanks for all your support. I have been receiving calls continuously ever since I woke up at 8 pm.

I had to reach Cauvery Bhavan at 11:30 am to meet railway officials and left home at 10 am. With the phone ringing continuously, the batteries of both the phones got drained in 4 hours and hence my phone was switched off till I got home.

Also, I have been carrying two phones with me, and so there were times when I couldn't take some calls. I also had to ignore calls when I was in meetings with the officials and with the press.

I had to miss the entire day at office, and so wasn't in front of a PC. So it wasn't possible for me to update anyone through the day. I was out all the while.

Now that I am here, I'd like to thank you guys for all the inputs. Some of the suggestions have gone a long way in my case. Though I do not wish to claim success, I can assure you that all the networking has helped me get closer to it.

I'll try my best to keep everyone posted at the end of each day. I reiterate that I am committed to achieving justice in the right way.

Regards,
Nimish

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 04, 2005 10:42 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Sunil Mantri
Hi Friends,

The incident mentioned here sounds like a movie Story, but if it has really happend, than its shame to us. Inspite of speaking we should do something. Why cant we all go to the station master on coming saturday(8th Oct) morning.
If any one of the ryzers know journalists,media people do request to come on that day.
I will look forward to all of urs suggestion.
Hey Nimish, what happened to u is lesson to us. It can happen to us also.Hope we all will be able to give u a hand.

regds
Sunil Mantri

Private Reply to Sunil Mantri

Oct 05, 2005 12:48 ambrutalities in bangalore#

Rajiv Thundil Krishna
Hi Nimish!!

Sorry for the delay in reply.. do u want to hold the press conferance lemme know, will help u out. I read s/day in times of india supplement titled some BIKE or so about the happening at bgl in various posh areas. There is a mail ID given there of the person who reported the news, why dont u send a mail and c wat happens.

You may send the same mail which u posted on RYZE.

regards
Rajiv

Private Reply to Rajiv Thundil Krishna

Oct 05, 2005 1:34 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Ganesh Rane
Hi Nimish,
As a fellow Ryze member I feel very sorry to what has happened to you. The kind of brutality shown in this incidence by TT fellows and police is awful. Sometime back I had read an article where two TT fellows had raped some girl in the First class compartment. Isn't there some similarity between criminalisation of politics and criminalisation of Railways now?

I am really amazed to see that the kind of response the Ryze members have come forward to. I would be very happy to see that culprits get booked. Though I am in abroad my full moral support is with you. I have got email addresses of few media personnel which I shall send to you by PM.

Ganesh

Private Reply to Ganesh Rane

Oct 05, 2005 1:50 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ganesh Rane
Hi Nimish,
Couple of email addresses of media personnel that I have got, might be helpful to you.

anoop@hindustantimes.com,
dmurali@thehindu.co.in,
shekhargupta@expressindia.com,

Private Reply to Ganesh Rane

Oct 05, 2005 3:16 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Nirmala M Mohan
hey nimish

i hv been following this thread..& today as soon as i read THE headlines in DH, i sat at the pc to dash off this reply. i'm jubilant that something constructive is happening.

Its commendable the way you are handling this stressful incident with rationale & composure.

awaiting justice soon

Private Reply to Nirmala M Mohan

Oct 05, 2005 3:44 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
you have wonered if B'lore is going the Bbihar way.With Lalu Prasad heading the Railways in what other way one can expect it to go?The Karnataka govt can not turn a blind eye to this atrocity nor whitewash the incident just because its interference will annoy its political ally who is heading the Rly ministry
S.Ramaswamy

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 05, 2005 4:05 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Harish Agarwal
Nimish,
Spoke to a reporter from DH yesterday and he told me he had already heard about your case and then when I saw the articles this morning in the papers, I was really very happy. I am delighted that it has come to light. I really hope something constructive comes out of this media attention! Waiting for an update from your side as to whats happening to the culprits...
If you require any help from fellow ryzers in terms of going and meeting the Police and railways or anything at all to put these guys behind bars, just don't hesitate to ask.

Regards

Harish
9844162705

Private Reply to Harish Agarwal

Oct 05, 2005 4:16 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

boss
Thanks to the press for giving proper coverage today.

I extend all support to you Nimish

Private Reply to boss

Oct 05, 2005 4:20 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Anupam Ketkar
is it possible for you to pass the link to the DH article. glad that something is happening...

Private Reply to Anupam Ketkar

Oct 05, 2005 4:37 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Sandeep Ghosh
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct52005/index2042432005104.asp.
Great going Nimesh!!!.You have all my and my friend’s support. Don’t leave the culprits unless they are punished.

Sandeep

Private Reply to Sandeep Ghosh

Oct 05, 2005 4:40 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Rrituraj Sharma
Its really heartening to see the news report in TOI (3rd page) ... they have published most of the news item, the way Nimish has written in BBN, with his comments in a box.

Can we send a rejoinder to the editors of the news papers from BBN? Just to ensure that the news item get focus.

The DH article is available at :

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct52005/index2042432005104.asp

Nimish, request you to let us know if actually that identification parade was held or not. Do keep us updated. Just to inform you, many ryzers are also meeting today at Forum for a karaoke mixer (6 p.m.), we can meet you personally if you come over.

Regards.

Private Reply to Rrituraj Sharma

Oct 05, 2005 4:52 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Subir Dhar
Hi Nimish,

"WE WILL NOT TAKE IT LYING DOWN".

In less than 24 hours from your message, we have seen immense response and how Bangalore feels about the incident.

Let us see the "collective will" of Bangalore succeed in conveying a strong message to the powers that be, and see the guilty punished. Till we achieve this let us not rest.

We find that the press is giving coverage to the incident, and possibly the FIR with Police has been done. Nimish can update.

The emails have been effective as I have got a copy of Nimish's first message thru some yahoogroups.

Any development on the Press Meet? - how about a press meet on Sunday morning at 11 at the Press Club? Invite all the leading papers and other media. We invite our colleagues and friends as a mark of solidarity.

If each of us brings just two of our friends, we surely can have a sizeable number to support the "collective" effort.

Regards

Subir Kumar Dhar
Bangalore






Private Reply to Subir Dhar

Oct 05, 2005 5:03 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Renith Valsaraj
Way to go Ryzers! Unity is strength. All the help ryzers provided have helped Nimish take his case in the right direction. Am sure we will see positive results soon.

"The challenge of social justice is to evoke a sense of community that we need to make our nation a better place, just as we make it a safer place."

Private Reply to Renith Valsaraj

Oct 05, 2005 5:06 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Ekta Gera
Hey all

Hope you guys read the article on this in todays Deccan Herald. Its Page 1 News.

Maybe this can be the start of things.

Cheers

Romi

Private Reply to Ekta Gera

Oct 05, 2005 5:34 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Anupam Ketkar
Now that you have them on the mat take them down.

I think you have lotsa support from all of us. I also think that the news link and what ryze has done has to be put on all boards. It should trigger others to do the same and not tolerate bullshit from the authorities.

Private Reply to Anupam Ketkar

Oct 05, 2005 5:43 ambrutalities in bangalore -#

Shyam Mohapatra
Almost everyday Bangalore Times carry incidents of "pilferages", "running away with cellphone", "bikers snatching bags", etc. I am sure other dailies would be enumerating similar incidents in Bangalore.

So I had the impression that time is not very good for walking in the morning, coming back from office in the evening, etc , etc.

But the above are incidents of stealing, theft and pilferage.

What happened to Nimish is downright dacoity, barbaric and insidious acts. And then when we think about the perpetrators of crime, the very own people who get salary out of our tax money, the people responsible for protecting us, it becomes a genuine concern that should not go without punishment. Besides the amount of confidence with which they appeared to have done this, shows that this is not a first-timer for them.

Guess we should assmble at the station on the coming weekend with Nimish, of course, and speak to station authorities. I know that Nimish has been pursuing legal ways to bring the people to book. But the demonstration provides bigger impact in this.

thanks
Shyam


Private Reply to Shyam Mohapatra

Oct 05, 2005 6:15 amre: brutalities in bangalore -#

Lucifers Babe
Yes shyam, you are right. I think its a great idea to assmble at the station with Nimish to demonstrate out feelings. We cant let these guys get away without any punishements.

Sunila

Private Reply to Lucifers Babe

Oct 05, 2005 6:44 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Rajesh P.I
Dear Nimish,
It is amazing to see such a fantastic response happening to your incident. In spite of everything this is a city that cares. Do keep us posted with developments at your end. If you need any help just let me know.
Warm Regards,
Rajesh

Private Reply to Rajesh P.I

Oct 05, 2005 6:45 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Indu and Niranjan rao
Completly agreed.. but lets consult Nimish first.

Private Reply to Indu and Niranjan rao

Oct 05, 2005 6:51 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Malathi Ramchandran
Nimish,
I got the forwarded mail yesterday and was really shocked to read about the ordeal that you went through. It was heartening to see the article published in the Newspapers today. Hope justice prevails and the guilty are taken to task.

Cheers,
Malathi

Private Reply to Malathi Ramchandran

Oct 05, 2005 6:59 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Musten Jiruwala Fading away into oblivion
Yes. Let's go in FULL strength to the Railway station and make that impact, such that the perpetrators never ever even think of trying it again.

If you take this lightly, it will only become worse.

Let's GO.
Musten

Private Reply to Musten Jiruwala Fading away into oblivion

Oct 05, 2005 7:26 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

SKJY
Hai Nimish,

Its grt to know tht so many ppl have come forarwd to help u out and the news go coverage in the leading daily also.

as suggested by our fellow ryzers, i think it would be a better idea if we have a silent protest march at the railway station in front of the station masters cabin.

How shall we go abt it...............................

Cheers,

Jaffrey

Private Reply to SKJY

Oct 05, 2005 7:53 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Indu and Niranjan rao
Musten Sunila, i think we shud put up a signup list like we do for the mixers. But lets first consule Nimesh.

Private Reply to Indu and Niranjan rao

Oct 05, 2005 7:57 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Anupam Ketkar
Unfortunately old economy (no offense) ppl are too used to such things - they have almost become insensitive about it. worker strikes, bandhs, etc are too common. How many of us have heard of a strike/dharna in an IT company?:P

i think we will have to find some creative way of protesting...i dont think jus protesting is a solution - they must be made aware that someones watching their back.

mebbe a blog for such cases in bangalore...we could ask for a link on the irctc+police websites. Ok, this is really way out - we could interview the culprits (do we know them for sure?). bet they wont forgot the interview!

About the protest-it depends on what is the objective of the protest?
A silent march might also do the trick with press coverage...
any ideas...

Private Reply to Anupam Ketkar

Oct 05, 2005 8:15 amre: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Indu and Niranjan rao
I'am sure a silent march is the best way to grab the attention of the Janta. It's important that Common people know bout such things. Internet has not yet touched the lives of a majority of the people who visit the railway station. It will be impactful to create awareness at the place where the offence occured.
Correct me if i'am wrong.

Private Reply to Indu and Niranjan rao

Oct 05, 2005 9:05 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
I agree that a silent procession against the diabolic RPF and the delinquent Rly officials would be a good idea.I do not think there has ever been a protest of this type from the people of this category
The groundswell of support that Nimesh has received is not merely amazing but is also reassuring that the situation has not gone out of hand and that there are still people who are willing to commit their time to help others
There is a danger though.We should see that the march is not high jacked by the politicians ever on the lookoutfor popular causes
S.Ramaswamy

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 05, 2005 9:51 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Arvind Purohit
Hi All,

First it was apathy towards IT ppl and now it has turned into Antipathy ! If you can provide decent law and order at least dont rob the people. I think it is time since we as citizen do something concrete about it rather then just sitting in our cubes and post reply to it. Lets do a silent march and ensure that it involves all the people ...at least IT people must come to ensure safe and secure bangalore for themselves and their brethren.

Shall we start a new topic to findout the intrest for this silent march.

Private Reply to Arvind Purohit

Oct 05, 2005 10:36 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Raunak Kundu
Please,Let us have this silent protest as soon as possible.I came out with this idea yesterday after lot of brainstorming.
I am sure we can get friends and relatives along with us.
Regards
Raunak
9845874111
I have read both the articles in newspaper.Nimish,hats off to you.For your courage and taking this incident forward.Please let us know the latest happennings.More than 3000 hits in this link.Amazing!!!!!

Private Reply to Raunak Kundu

Oct 05, 2005 10:55 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Ravi Shankar Gajraj
Hi Nimish,

First sorry to hear about the incident. And about posting it in the group a great job, Hey nothing to demoralize the group but yes this posting has brought in us the feel we have for others and more important we all now know that most of us are in the same platform when it comes to injustice.
I have a thought on the silent procession. As per the article in Times the DIG has asked for an enquiry should we not wait till we get an answer from the authorities? And one more will we be not choking a place which is the major mode of commute for most in the city?

Private Reply to Ravi Shankar Gajraj

Oct 05, 2005 11:57 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Lucifers Babe
Ravi Shankar has brought out two main issues here ... waiting for the authorities and then not choking the place. I think we should keep these two in mind before we plan out any action, such as a silent march. According to the railway authorities, the identification parade is gonna be during next week. If Nimesh is fine with the idea, we can have this silent protest as soon as the identification parade is completed. This will help us pressurize the authorities to take immediate action. Yes, we should also make it clear to the press that there is no 'political' touch to this effort.

As far as 'not choking the place' is concerned, any ideas guys?

Sunila

Private Reply to Lucifers Babe

Oct 05, 2005 11:58 amre: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Shobha(usha) gowri
Good idea Anupam-who is good woth these things plz?

Private Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri

Oct 05, 2005 12:42 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Rrituraj Sharma
Friends,
Agree totally with the group on the silent march. On second thoughts, we can also think of a "SIT and DEMONSTRATE" for 2 hours (say) in front of the station master's cabin (ofcourse after everybody buying platform tickets:-) That way we will not be creating any traffic congestion also.

I was also thinking if we can include the volunteers of the Public Affairs Centre (PAC, www.pacindia.org) ... this is the same organisation which had organised a protest on 6th June, 2005 to protest against the delay of the airport road fly-over. In case we can go through PAC, we have a formal platform to protest and the media also can be easily involved. Their mission statement says, "To improve the quality of governance in india by strengthening civil society in its interface with the state."

And they also have a program called "SWABHIMANA - A Citizen State Forum for a Clean, Green & SAFE Bangalore"
( http://www.pacindia.org/citizenaction/SWABHIMANA%20A%20Citizen%20State%20Forum%20for%20a%20Clean%20Green%20and%20Safe%20Bangalore )

Just a thought. Group please respond.
Regards

Private Reply to Rrituraj Sharma

Oct 05, 2005 1:14 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Anupam Ketkar
is there any lawyer amongst us who can tell us the legal implications of a protest (of any sort). Believe me, our laws have so many by-laws that if we get caught in some sub-section it will be like sore grapes.
Lets see, this protest needs to :
Draw attention to an issue
Ensure that everything else runs as normal
No one should be disturbed except the rail dept
should get press
should not be in anyone's way

- that needs some really outta the world idea because even a group of 30-40-50 people would create congestion and disturb traffic. mebbe we should give the rail authorities a written, in front of the media warning (with photographs)and ask for the action they will take and the deadline (yep, deadlines are verywhere nowadays :). this should probably done within a span of 10 minutes so that least disturbance is caused!

mebbe it should appear as if we are felicitating them - aka jaspal bhatti ishtyle.

i am sure their are ideas amongst you...

Private Reply to Anupam Ketkar

Oct 05, 2005 1:16 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

libini joy
hey nimish,
wonderful that DH carried it on their front page.....i'm sure the media coverage will do u tremendous gud in carrying forward this case...btw, does anyone know the link to the TOI story...
libini

Private Reply to libini joy

Oct 05, 2005 1:23 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Democracy India
Hello all,

I am shocked but not surprised at this happening. Many years ago my brother was stopped, questioned and harrassed by a Railway police official for - get this - wearing a BLACK SHIRT.

These chaps have obviously noticed you going with your fiance and her mom, seen you in a possibly carefree state of mind and exploited you.

Here is my suggestion:
Do not give up complaining against this injustice.
Let as many people know as possible.
If you have any pictures from the day you were assaulted let the press know.

This is an assault and nothing less.

Our best wishes are with you.

Regards,
Democracy in India
Championing to continue enjoying the fruits of our liberty and freedom!

Private Reply to Democracy India

Oct 05, 2005 1:25 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Kiran Srinivasan
Hi Nitish,
Have been following this thread and after reading this in TOI today, one thought came to my mind,

Ramesh, the divisional manager have promised to have a Identification parade,
What if the railway authorities/ railway police have identified this guys from there attendence register and posted them on duty else where so that u cannot identify? There is no way you can get access to there register.
They can deny the whole issue later.

please do look at it in this angle too.

Kiran Srinivasan

Private Reply to Kiran Srinivasan

Oct 05, 2005 2:23 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
The silent protest idea is one of the best suggestions to come have come out.Yes, there could be congestion.But we are not an unruly political party organising a rabble rousing rally.We can so organise it that we dont cause inconvenience to others
Let us not get taken in by the promise of the Railway authorities.They will be under tremendous pressure from their Trade Unions to save their skin.Peace with their TUs is more important to them than justice to the general public.There will be every attempt to white wash the entire episode.In the best case scenario there will be some token action that will not leave its lasting imprint to prevent similar excesses
Talking about the TUs,I wonder why they should not have acted on their own and pulled up their errant members.Would it not have enhanced the prestige of the TUs?
S.Ramaswamy

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 05, 2005 3:44 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

Ganesh Rane
It appeared in Economic times too..good progress..

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowbnews/msid-1253533,curpg-2.cms

Ganesh

Private Reply to Ganesh Rane

Oct 05, 2005 4:28 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore -#

SKJY
Hai Guys,

Hope Nimish responds t5o our mails about the silent protest at the railway station.

We can start it once Nimish agress to it.

I think with the type of response by the ryzers , we can make a big impact with our silent protest...........

Private Reply to SKJY

Oct 05, 2005 8:45 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raunak Kundu
Breaking News
The people behind this has been suspended.Source: NDTV
Raunak

Private Reply to Raunak Kundu

Oct 06, 2005 4:25 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Rrituraj Sharma
Yes, the guys have been suspended including the 4 RPF ppl. The news also finds mention in the TOI 3rd page. The identification parade is supposed to be held today. Request Nimish to keep us updated.

Are we in for the silent protest on Saturday? Can we have somebody take the lead here? There have been lot of suggestions, but nothing has firmed up as yet.

Regards

Private Reply to Rrituraj Sharma

Oct 06, 2005 4:50 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Rajaram
Dear All,

Protesting for this without help of local wefare associations, or a political party or a help of Senoir Police official/Lawer will not be sound enough to act with this people.

Also i request you that why cant you send this message to the CM's cell or meet the people in ( a group of 7 or 8)infront of Vidhan Soudha and meet the CM or Minister to take up this matter.

Gud luck All
Rajaram

Private Reply to Rajaram

Oct 06, 2005 4:58 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ravithesungod


Can someone post the link of the Times article , for the benefit of Ryzers


Private Reply to Ravithesungod

Oct 06, 2005 5:11 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Anupam Ketkar
Finally something has been done. Saw the report on NDTV.

Private Reply to Anupam Ketkar

Oct 06, 2005 5:23 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
The news about the suspension of the alleged culprits is music to my ears.But knowing the officialdom, this status will continue till the incident is forgotten.Thereafter the culprits will be back in the job with all the back wages!
If all the noise we are now making is to have a lasting effect the persons found guilty after a due enquiry quickly conducted should be given an examplary punishment that will be a lesson to similar power-drunk govt officials
S.Ramaswamy from Chennai Ryze

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 06, 2005 5:28 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Anoop G
Times of India and Deccan Herald have published this story:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1253489.cms
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct52005/index2042432005104.asp

Private Reply to Anoop G

Oct 06, 2005 5:50 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Natraj G
Hi nimish,


I Guess things r taking Shape. If u still need help. Do let know

Natraj

Private Reply to Natraj G

Oct 06, 2005 6:33 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

uvaraj m
suspension might ultimately be an eye wash
what these people have done exactly the opposite of what they are employed for. This incident has come to light but who knows how many has gone unnoticed. They should be given proper punishment. this can be done only with properpressure on the concerned authorities.

Private Reply to uvaraj m

Oct 06, 2005 6:58 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
Hey, what happened to krish's Post? if his post has been removed, does it mean he do not have right to express his views?

regards

Raghavendra

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 06, 2005 7:12 ambrutalities in bangalore - II STEP#

Ravishankar Daitota
OK. The eyewash has happened now. This is the general process our Govt. has adopted. Every time an issue erupts the very first step to pacify the issue is “ suspension”. People normally don’t tend to think / find out what happens after suspension.

1. 1997-Police officer misbehaves with a lady, gets suspended in three days due to public agitation and media focus. After three months every one forgets about it. Today the same officer has been posted in one of the “lucrative” places and still continues to be arrogant and corrupt.
2. 2002 – One of the sub-registrars was caught red handed while harassing public for the money, got suspended. Couple of months, he is back.


These incidents 99% end with the same results. The Govt. suspends them immediately, a departmental enquiry will happen (they will ensure that this enquiry would continue till the time media and public loose interest, then the person is back in his seat may be even better place), He will be given with clean chit and the story continues!!

Whether it is govt. servants or politicians hardly you would find them proved guilty. May be few cases wherein the person involved will be a junior rank officer.

Private Reply to Ravishankar Daitota

Oct 06, 2005 7:18 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Tarun Hukku
Yes, all can express their views. However, this has to be done responsibly. Inflammatory messages dont help in situations like this. The purpose of expressing views is to help find a solution to a problem and not to create another problem.

While Krish had written the message well and tried to keep it objective, the impact nonethelesss is inflammatory. Hence the message was removed.

Tarun

Private Reply to Tarun Hukku

Oct 06, 2005 8:28 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Krish K

Dear Tarun

Appreciate your explanation to the action and understand what you are dealing with here.

Regards
Krish

Private Reply to Krish K

Oct 06, 2005 12:47 pmre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

p p
Oh I missed it! When was it aired??

Private Reply to p p

Oct 06, 2005 1:48 pmre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Rajaram
Pl go to Indiatimes.com and look for epaper
you wil find it

Cheers
Raj

Private Reply to Rajaram

Oct 06, 2005 3:34 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

SOEB FATEHI
PASTED BELOW AN EXTRACT FROM TOI (WITH QUESTIONS WHICH CROSS MY MIND):-

Nimish met railways DIG N Shivakumar on Tuesday and brought the matter to his notice. Shivakumar said: “I have asked him to give a complaint in writing and we will inquire into it.’’

Reacting to the complaint, South Western Railway Bangalore Divisional Manager Mahesh Kumar said: “It is absolutely shocking and we regret it. I have spoken to Nimish on receiving his complaint. We will organise an identification parade. If he identifies the persons who misbehaved, the railways will take stringent action against them. If we come across the involvement of outsiders, we will get them arrested.’’



1. WHY CAN'T THE RPF RECORD AN ORAL COMPLAINT?
IS IT A POSTPONEMENT LIKE THEY SAY IN MARATHI IN
MUMBAI, "LIHOON DHYA . . . NANTAR BAGHTO!"

2. WILL ONLY OUTSIDERS BE ARRESTED?
WILL RAILWAY EMPLOYEES BE REINSTATED AFTER
A TOKEN SUSPENSION AND A 'STERN' WARNING?

3. WILL THE RAILWAY STATION MASTER FACE ACTION
FOR PERMITTING HIS CABIN TO BE THUS USED? EVEN IF
HE ESCAPES DIRECT IDENTIFICATION IN THE PARADE?

4. MUMBAI POLICE HAVE MADE SOME REMARKABLE ARRESTS
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS BASED ON SKETCHED IMAGES
BY AN ARTIST WHO WORKS FROM DESCRIPTIONS GIVEN
BY THE VICTIMS. DOES BANGALORE HAVE SUCH A FACILITY?
WHY NOT REQUEST THE SERVICES OF THE ARTIST FROM MUMBAI
TO SKETCH OUT THE FACE OF THE INFY GUY SINCE HE WILL NOT
BE AT THE PARADE?

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Oct 07, 2005 11:26 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Sandeep Ghosh
It seems this issue is losing its stream. We don’t know whether identification parade has been held. If yes what had happened there,what are the latest development etc. Nimesh has not updated this thread yesterday, I hope he will update this thread today and keep us informed.

Sandeep

Private Reply to Sandeep Ghosh

Oct 07, 2005 12:26 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Tarun Hukku
Guys ...Nimish has been following up on this ...and is pretty exhausted hence no latest updates ...

Earlier updates on http://www.sbcbrutes.blogspot.com/

He will be writing in pretty soon.

Tarun

Private Reply to Tarun Hukku

Oct 07, 2005 12:36 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vimal Lakhotia
This was posted in Deccan Herald Today:
---
Techie’s assault by RPF: Inquiry held

Railway officials held an inquiry with Railway Protection Force (RPF) officers and IT company employee Nimish V Adani on Thursday.
Mr Adani, Business Development Manager in Logix Microsystems in Bangalore, had lodged a complaint with the Railways DIG that he had been manhandled by some RPF officers along with two TTs at the City Railway Station on September 30.
According to Railways Divisional Chief Manager Mahesh Kumar, six RPF officers including railway officials have been placed under suspension following the case. He however refused to divelge further details on the outcome of the meeting saying that the matter was under investigation.
-----

Would it be not proper for everyone to wait and see the outcome of the investigation.
Even if a protest is held in railway station, what would be the outcome- I have a similar experience long back - only promise would come is that " We will look into and investigate" which is already underway. We can't expect any instant justice.
Moreover Nimish also has not confirmed his participation for the silent protest, and in his absence, I feel that protest of any kind will not have any weightage with the authorities, who will not entertain us alone questioning our involvement in the matter.
Let Nimish update the latest. It is highly possible that he might be satisfied with the investigation till now.


Regards,

Vimal Lakhotia

Private Reply to Vimal Lakhotia

Oct 07, 2005 9:34 pmre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Gaurav Tekriwal
Hi Nimish,
I just received n a forwarded mail with your story from a friend of mine.

I recollected that I had seen the headline on this network and got back to follow it up.

Much has been said and done about your sufferings.It is indeed very disturbing to read about the same.

I would just like you to know that we are with you and the best way to get back to your normal routine would be to show them their rightful places and then try and forgive them,making your self rise to a higher position.

If you please you can do some meditations and creative visualisations to soothe your pains. I would also recommend you a book,"The Power of your subconscious mind-bY Dr.Joseph Murphy". It will help you immensely to cope up with this temporary setback in your life.

May the rest of your life be the Best of your life.

Warm Wishes
Gaurav Tekriwal
http://kolkata-network.ryze.com/

Private Reply to Gaurav Tekriwal

Oct 08, 2005 4:58 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Siddhartha Deb
I was travelling and was hence out of the loop, came back only yesterday evening and am seeing this message now.

Let a few suggest some concrete actions which we could take as a group so that it comes out more effective. A lot of messages here are well intended suggestions but what we need are some actions which highlight the people's anger. Lodging complain and waiting for enquiry results are all very good but what about catching the culprits rightaway? For by the time the enquiry results would come out, public attention and outcry would have been diverted to something else.

I dont know whether the culprits have been apprehended yet.And if they have been apprehended someone from the media would need to follow the case so that they arent let off the hook after a while. I dont believe that such an incident could have happened without the connivance of some very high officials.

sid

Private Reply to Siddhartha Deb

Oct 08, 2005 7:40 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Vince G
I am sure it has been a bad experience for Nimish. But rather than jump the gun, let the law run its course. If the bureacracy does not budge, get a lawyer. If there is substance and validity, I am sure the legal system will give what is due to each party. This is a business network, and I hate to see it take on a different form.

Vince

Private Reply to Vince G

Oct 09, 2005 2:42 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

SOEB FATEHI
Dear Vince,

Welcome to RYZE.
I see that you have just signed up. When I visited
your page I saw that I am only the second visitor.
I am sure that you will get many hits very soon and
enjoy your networking experience. For a noob you have
grasped "business network" fundas very well.

There is no suggestion of intention to jump any gun.
There is no gun. Yes Nimish is hurt and his friends
are together righteously outraged and angered. Everyone
here is agreed on peaceful and law abiding means of
pressuring the establishment for speedy correction
of the system.

It is sad that a strong words like 'hate' are used
in your otherwise pacific post. Please rest assured
that nothing here will take any "different form".

Please appreciate that whenever/wherever law and
order breaks down and the streets become unsafe for
simple hardworking citizens then/there 'business'
goes for a toss. Recall how violence and resulting insecurity
caused all major corporates to shift base
away from Calcutta in the 70s. Remember that Panjab's
revenue and asset growth went for a spin in the 70s.
Observe how little confidence is expressed by the
business world in Assam, Meghalaya, J&K, Bihar, etc.

Yes dear Vince, you are right. This is a business
network. We must keep the cityscape 'business friendly'.
We are trying that. Surely you will be with us on that.

- Soeb

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Oct 09, 2005 9:20 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raunak Kundu
Very nicely said Soeb.It is a good reply for people who like a ring side view.
Something more is happenning in this case according to today's TOI.

Private Reply to Raunak Kundu

Oct 09, 2005 10:52 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan


Though I am in Chennai I had been actively following up the matter thru our BBN network.Now there is a mention about some thing having been reported on this matter in TOI.Would some one explain what has been reported? I am not a TOI reader
S.Ramaswamy.Ryze,Chennai

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 10, 2005 3:44 pmre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Sumanth Kamath
They have posted the exact same story that nimish posted here, with a few words from the traffic cops etc., who say they are "shocked" at what happened and will take strict action against whoever is found guilty.
That was about a week back i think. Dont see a follow up story of any sort. Typical!

Private Reply to Sumanth Kamath

Oct 11, 2005 4:59 amre: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vimal Lakhotia
There was a small article ( as below) in TOI dt. 9th ( Sunday).
We should appreciate Nimish for the stand he has taken. The culprits seem to be getting punished now.
------------
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SUNDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2005 12:56:35 AM ]
BANGALORE: There was a fresh twist in the recent City Railway Station incident where a software professional was assaulted by some ticket collectors and Railway Protection Force (RPF) personnel. On Saturday, the railway authorities traced another accused who had attempted to rob the victim in the melee.
V Srinivas, claiming to be with a top software firm, was identified by ticket collectors as the person who had attempted to rob the victim, Nimish Adani on September 30.
Srinivas of Dharmapuri, who often travels between the city and his native place, was identified by railways staffers at the station on Saturday evening. Sources said Nimish had also identified him. Sources said the victim has been taken through an identification parade where he recognised the accused.
Shortly after a case was taken up, South Western Railway officials suspended two ticket collectors and four RPF personnel suspected to be involved in the incident.
-----------

Regards,

VimalLakhotia

Private Reply to Vimal Lakhotia

Oct 11, 2005 8:07 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Rohit Patil
Sumanth, It's the Times of India. Give them some time to follow up and/or forget! Nimish must be really busy with this and work, since I don't see an update on his blog after 05 Oct, 2005.

Hey Vimal! That's fantastic news for now. Can you post the link to where that writeup is so we can read the rest of it?

Thanks.

Private Reply to Rohit Patil

Oct 16, 2005 9:17 pmre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Maxwell Jones
Guys!

Kinda been too busy to ryze all these while! (Well, I was never too popular in the network in the first place, so pardon me if the opening line sounds inappropriate) Having read the whole set of posts from top to bottom I could not help but wipe tear off my eyelid.
Guess I can't do much from where I live right now.... nevertheless, let me know if I can do anything to help!

Touched… moved… and proud to be a part of this network! Great Job!!

Max

Private Reply to Maxwell Jones

Oct 18, 2005 3:17 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vincent Sunder
DUH!!!!! ToI of today 18th Oct 05 states the techie has withdrawn his complaint!!!! I guess many of you have read this, but for the benefit of those who haven't - the report states that the techie (Nimish) DID NOT have a ticket, was in an inebriated mood and did misbehave when asked to produce the ticket! The Rly authorities inspite of this are proceeding against their officials who assaulted the techie. They did discuss but decided against framing any charges against the techie for misleading them!!

Who goes to drop of a fiancee and her mom in an inebriated state? No, am not making a case for anyone - neither the ryzer nor the railyway authorities.

Hope we get to know the real story since so many people reacted here with genuine concern and intent to help.

Not sure what is to be believed and what not.

I guess the lesson for all of us is to gather FACTS and get to know both sides of the story before reacting.

Vincent

PS: I guess IC's are more believable!! ;-)

Private Reply to Vincent Sunder

Oct 18, 2005 3:32 amre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
Hello Fellows, whom do you think is Bluffing now? do you know what bad mark it can leave on techies, if whatever Authorities are saying is true? hope we did not make a big mess trying to solve an unknown thing. may be the mistake what techies did was not listening to both sides and jumping to conclusions.

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 18, 2005 4:15 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

venu gopal
Dear Nimesh,

Now it is your turn to respond. Is it true that u were not having platform ticket and did u misbehaved with the authorities?

Ur honest replay is being awaited.


Venu

Private Reply to venu gopal

Oct 18, 2005 4:49 amre: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vimal Lakhotia
See the link below in deccan herald today.

Case seems to be over now, as the railways officials involved have been transferred and Nimish has withdrawn the case.
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct182005/city20162420051017.asp

We should appreciate Nimish for the stand taken by him and fighting for the injustice done to him. It takes real courage to fight against the government agencies.
Even if Nimish was wrong on not having a platform ticket ( as per the article), there is absolutely no reason why he should be beaten up. He could have been always fined for..

Regards,

Vimal Lakhotia

Private Reply to Vimal Lakhotia

Oct 18, 2005 5:04 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
Dear Vimal,

I Compleatly agree with you that the Railway officials shouldn't have Manhandled any person. but being in Bangalore for More than 28 Years, i do not recall any Bangalorean Doing that way, unless provoked due to circumstances. this is the reason most of the fellow ryzer's asked that is Bangalore is going in Bihar way.

May be Nimesh could put some light on the actual happenings.

Railway Authorities said that they have given Benefit of Doubt to the customer.

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 18, 2005 5:11 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

ady
Its so tough for an inebriated guy climbing the stairs in a crowded railway station, wading through the crowd especially with 2 women. This is blatant BS.

I know Government Officials have a solution of get out of crap no matter how deep they were and they are out clean.

I feel its a two way truce that was settled for, I'll transfer them and you withdraw the case (conspiracy). And to protect the face of the railway machinery, make an example of the poor guy.

Sweet!

Private Reply to ady

Oct 18, 2005 5:35 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Vikram Mijar
BS yeah yeah... something similar to the BS we heard sometime back in the same forum to the effect of "the tickets were torn and thrown"... There is also the part of him misbehaving !!! even though he did not have platform tickets....

Then this entire rigmarole .... and dodnt miss the heading ... it still says "brutualities in bangalore"... could have been named renamed as the "Injustices perpetuatued on a non law abiding citizen who misbehaves when caught, cons nearly the entire online network, and incidentally misrepresents facts"...Wooohaa

Cheers
Vikram

Private Reply to Vikram Mijar

Oct 18, 2005 6:58 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
Correction vikram,

it would be "Injustices perpetuatued on a non law abiding techie who misbehaves when caught, cons nearly the entire online network, and incidentally misrepresents facts"

i think its high time nimesh responded to this thread.

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 18, 2005 7:23 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Avinash Mudaliar
The reason I decided to post this, is simply because there were a lot of well-wishers on the BBN and otherwise, who literally were ready to wear black shirts and protest in good will. Their trust was inimitable.It has been quite some time since I read the day's news paper and some clarifications to one and all was definitely due by this time. I didn't see one. What was also creditable was the appreciable action taken by the media. Media is a tough job. Say something good, you might be in trouble. Say something bad, well. you get the picture. And it is tougher when you have Point Of View. Two things about P.O.V's in media :
1) They get dumped or diluted or contorted
2) They become Editorials

If rash, irritation, redness, or swelling develops, discontinue reading.

I have tried to put into perspective from all the info I have recd through sources involving all the via media possible( quite a deluge at that!) This sounds like a proper script for a fast-paced flick, which moves from one junction to another with different versions. It's time I think somebody pulls the chain on this chain of posts and emails! Being from the media myself and definitely inebriated by this information overload, I post this mother of all long posts! Read at your own risk.By reading this, you do not explicitly or implicity acknowledge that you have seen this. Nor do you necessarily agree or disagree with the views expressed herein... Under no circumstances should you form your own opinions.I am in no way responsible for any health(mental or otherwise) or economic side effects from failing to follow these instructions.

(P.S. Then there is one primary area of concern, how does one procure a ticket from a Electronic Ticketing Machine which is non-functional. Is there truth in that? I don't know... I prefer buying platform tickets from the counter)

A lesson for all us writers/media professionals/journos here. Cross-checking is essential!And there are a million shades to every story.

Hmmm..As Merlin rightly points out in his earlier post, and I continue to some extent in the same "train" of thought...

Name of the story:

Namma Hero N. A. (Not Applicable) - Ondu Tabarana Kathe ( A Plat Forum Con - stable story)

In case we have any takers or makers of this film and there needs to be a "love" angle the we can have one scene like this: long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left Chennai at 6:36 p.m.traveling at 55 mph, the other from Bangalore (Shatabdi) at 4:19 p.m.at a speed of 35 mph.

(My two penny serious p.o.v) to be neglected if N.A. ( not applicable)

This happens to many a person. And such issues are hardly addressed:

Firstly I seem to see this in another perspective or should I say Track"( forgive the pun!) What about the uneducated, illiterate, 4 year old boy who works not in XYZ Microsytems but in a small lodge or ekes out a living on the road who gets conned by the mafia boss and the police constable every day ?

So it suddenly takes one " IIML Batch of 2003, ITBHU Batch of 2001" who has access to email, gmail and went to drop his "female" (fiance) to kick up a ruckus like this.

Did it take him a 2 full year course and a trip to the Samsung Showroom to realise he was being conned? Well, doesn't reflect much on our highly regarded Bschool grad or his man-management skills.

My condolences are definitely with him though. But I prefer to feel sad for all those millions who are feeling melancholic for this boy( who lost his toy or didn't) who got his money back and a lot of media attention to boot
and a load of free incoming calls to fill his policed soul and already bloated ego.

My favorite parts:

"He told me that the only way I was to get out was if I was willing to pay my way through. Being in no state to make a rational choice, I gave him my ATM card and pin"

"Having broken down mentally I did not realise that I was being cheated. He then took me to a Samsung showroom and tried purchasing a cellphone worth Rs. 18500 with my card. It was only then that I realised what was happening.
I grabbed my card back, caught him by the collar, snatched my cash that lay in his pocket, and got into a running auto." ( Pretty athletic, after " being beaten until he has no physical or mental well-being") And running
autos? Normally in Bangalore when you say the four letter word"AUTO" they stop!

"I was asked to sign a statement which said that I hit the police and TT in a drunken state. I refused. Finally, they pressurized me to write that I did not produce a platform ticket when asked. I wrote the same and then V
Srinivas took me out of the station"


Moral of this story:

N.A. (Not Applicable) is his name
He works for a professional automation systems engineering company.
IT BHU
IIML graduate
Spam God Extraordinaire
Has an account in ICICI
Has a gmail account
144 google search link returns to his name
Has been to a Samsung Showroom
Is "strong enough to pay his way though"
Knows Mr V.Srinivas

Unfortunately still beaten by the system

For more details:
Contact if you have shoulder to cry on at:
@
XXXXXXXXXX or YYYYYYYYYY

The only thing missing is his CV! Any HR personnel out here?

The Kahani Main Twists and the Turns:

There was a fresh twist in the recent City Railway Station incident where a software professional was assaulted by some ticket collectors and Railway Protection Force (RPF) personnel. On Saturday, the railway authorities traced another accused who had attempted to rob the victim in the melee.

V Srinivas, claiming to be with a top software firm, was identified by ticket collectors as the person who had attempted to rob the victim, Nimish Adani on September 30.

Srinivas of Dharmapuri, who often travels between the city and his native place, was identified by railways staffers at the station on Saturday evening. Sources said Nimish had also identified him. Sources said the victim has been taken through an identification parade where he recognised the accused.

Shortly after a case was taken up, South Western Railway officials suspended two ticket collectors and four RPF personnel suspected to be involved in the incident.

Quoting Merlin: "I read today in TOI that Nimish has withdrawn his complaint. According to the report, independent witnesses examined in presence of Nimish and the accused Railway Officials have stated that Nimish was in an inebriated state and did not have a platform ticket at the time of assault. The report goes on to give further details, which I have not included here as I could not get the link on TOI website. Its available on page three of the main newspaper."

The Story on the net is not yet available. The questions Merlin poses are definitely note-worthy.

"1. Did Nimish present his version of the case properly ?
2. Did Nimish really go to Railway Station in an inebriated state ?
3. Did Nimish not buy a Platform Ticket ? According to the report,Nimish is supposed to have pointed to a particular ticket vending machine which was out of order on that particular day!!!!
4. What about Srinivas ? Did Srinivas really do as what Nimish has indicated. Ofcourse Bangalore Police are investigating and we will know something more on that soon.
5.Have the Railway officials conducted an impartial enquiry ? But I do know for a fact that they do conduct impartial enquiries!!

There are too many questions that pop up ? Makes me wonder who is right and who is wrong or was the whole episode blown out of proportion ??? Whatever, Nimish owes us an explanation for withdrawing the complaint, for we all blindly supported him to the hilt !!!!

What makes the matter worse is that his post has been forwarded across the world through emails, sullying Bangalore's image!!!!! Wonder will this report from TOI be forwarded the same way ???"

Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don't know what it is. I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion.
- Colonel Flagg

Disclaimer to the Disclaimer
Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.)
This article does not reflect the thoughts or opinions of either myself, my company, my friends, or my dog. Don't quote me on that. Don't quote me on anything. All rights reserved. You may link to this article freely but you may not make a profit from it. Terms are subject to change without notice. Illustrations are slightly enlarged to show detail. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is unintentional and purely coincidental. Do not remove this disclaimer under penalty of law. Hand wash only, tumble dry on low heat. Do not bend, fold, mutilate, or spindle. Your mileage may vary. No substitutions allowed. For a limited time only. This article is void where prohibited, taxed, or otherwise restricted. Caveat emptor. Article is provided "as is" without any warranties. Reader assumes full responsibility. An equal opportunity article. No shoes, no shirt, no service. Quantities are limited while supplies last. If any defects are discovered, do not attempt to read them yourself, but return to an authorized service center. Read at your own risk. Parental discretion advised, text may contain explicit materials some readers may find objectionable. Keep away from sunlight. Keep away from OJ. Keep away from pets and small children. Limit one-per-family please. No money down. No purchase necessary. You need not be present to win. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Instructions are included. Action figures sold separately. No preservatives added. Slippery when wet. Safety goggles may be required during use. Sealed for your protection, do not read if safety seal is broken. Call before you dig. Not liable for damages arising from use or misuse. For external use only. If rash, irritation, redness, or swelling develops, discontinue reading. Read only with proper ventilation. Avoid extreme temperatures and store in a cool dry place. Keep away from open flames. Avoid contact with eyes and skin and avoid inhaling fumes. Do not puncture, incinerate, or store above 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Do not place near a flammable or magnetic source. Smoking this article could be hazardous to your health. The best safeguard, second only to abstinence, is the use of a condom. No salt, MSG, artificial color or flavoring added. If ingested, do not induce vomiting, if symptoms persist, consult a physician. Article is ribbed for your pleasure. Possible penalties for early withdrawal. Offer valid only at participating sites. Allow four to six weeks for delivery. Must be 18 to read. Disclaimer does not cover misuse, accident, lightning, flood, tornado, tsunami, volcanic eruption, earthquake, hurricanes, and other Acts of God, neglect, damage from improper reading, incorrect line voltage, improper or unauthorized reading, broken antenna or marred cabinet, missing or altered serial numbers, electromagnetic radiation from nuclear blasts, sonic boom vibrations, customer adjustments that are not covered in this list, and incidents owing to an airplane crash, ship sinking or taking on water, motor vehicle crashing, dropping the article, falling rocks, leaky roof, broken glass, mud slides, forest fire, or projectile (which can include, but not be limited to, arrows, bullets, shot, BB's, shrapnel, lasers, napalm, torpedoes, or emissions of X-rays, Alpha, Beta and Gamma rays, knives, stones, etc.). Other restrictions may apply.

List each check separately by bank number. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Postage will be paid by addressee. Subject to CAB approval. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. Do not stamp. Use other side for additional listings. For recreational use only. Do not disturb. All models over 18 years of age. If condition persists, consult your physician. No user-serviceable parts inside. Freshest if eaten before date on carton. Subject to change without notice. Times approximate. Simulated picture. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Breaking seal constitutes acceptance of agreement. For off-road use only. As seen on TV. One size fits all. Many suitcases look alike. Contains a substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients. Colors may, in time, fade. We have sent the forms which seem right for you. For office use only. Not affiliated with the American Red Cross. Drop in any mailbox. Edited for television. Keep cool. process promptly. Post office will not deliver without postage. List was current at time of printing. Return to sender, no forwarding order on file, unable to forward. Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error or failure to perform. At participating locations only. Not the Beatles. Penalty for private use. See label for sequence. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Do not write below this line. Falling rock. Lost ticket pays maximum rate. Your canceled check is your receipt. Add toner. Place stamp here. Avoid contact with skin. Sanitized for your protection. Be sure each item is properly endorsed. Sign here without admitting guilt. Slightly higher west of the Mississippi. Employees and their families are not eligible. Beware of dog. Contestants have been briefed on some questions before the show. Limited time offer, call now to ensure prompt delivery. You must be present to win. No passes accepted for this engagement. No purchase necessary. Processed at location stamped in code at top of carton. Shading within a garment may occur. Use only in a well-ventilated are. Keep away from fire or flames. Replace with same type. Approved for veterans. Booths for two or more. Check here if tax deductible. Some equipment shown is optional. Price does not include taxes. No Canadian coins. Not recommended for children. Prerecorded for this time zone. Reproduction strictly prohibited. No solicitors. No alcohol, dogs or horses. No anchovies unless otherwise specified. Restaurant package, not for resale. List at least two alternate dates. First pull up, then pull down. Call toll free before digging. Driver does not carry cash. Some of the trademarks mentioned in this product appear for identification purposes only. Record additional transactions on back of previous stub. Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T. Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. No transfers issued until the bus comes to a complete stop. Package sold by weight, not volume. Seek help immediately if you are actually reading this! This product is meant for educational purposes only. No solicitors. No alcohol, dogs or horses. Some of the trademarks mentioned in this product appear for identification purposes only.This page has been modified to fit your computer screen. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Lather for 5 minutes, rince, repeat if necessary. In case of eye contact, call a physician. Keep out of reach of children. Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease to non-smokers. For distribution only with new PC hardware. Harmful if swallowed. If rash occurs, discontinue use. This offer is valid for 30 days or 10,000, whichever comes first. Measure to suit your own taste preference. Contains 40% less sodium than regular chicken noodle soup. Not for use in automatic dishwashers. Shake well before use. 1/2 capful, 3 to 6 times a day or as directed by licensed health care practitioner. May cause vaginal dryness. Made from 100% recycled paper. For product support, contact the manufacturer of your PC. Questions? Comments? Call 1-800-CRAYOLA Weekdays 9am-4pm EST. Imported from Switzerland. May be harmful to domestic animals. Contains small pieces, not intended for use of small children. Keep away from open flame, sparks, or other heat sources. Specially formulated to safely & effectively clean electronic equipment. The following movie contains coarse language and nudity. Warrenty void if read. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say or do can be used against you in the court of law. I declare the information provided by me in this application is true, correct, and complete to the best of my knowledge. Use of this product may cause temporary blindness. Other restrictions may apply. Offer good for a limited time only. Don't call us, we'll call you. Don't ask me, I just work here. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. An apple a day keeps the doctor away. Loose lips sink ships.

May explode if recharged improperly. Do not exceed recommended dosage. Suggested serving. Do not remove this tag until sold for retail. Dry clean only. Not for use with the Republican party. If left parked for over 10 minutes, may be towed. Ask your doctor or pharmacist. Do not open. Authorized personnel only. You may have additional rights which vary from state to state. Not recommended for children under 12. Parental guidance is irrelevent. One backup copy may be made. Net weight before cooking. Keep cool; process promptly. Licensed for home exhibition only. Your cancelled check is your receipt. Tax-Deductible if you itemize deductions. Abort, Retry, Fail? Slightly higher in Alaska and Hawaii. Employees and their families are not eligible. You must be present to win. Call toll-free for more information. Brought to you by the letters J, T, and A. Hellllooooooo Nuurrssse! This is a test, this is only a test. We all live in a yellow submarine. My God, it's full of stars. OkLoveYouByeBye. Hey, come out and play. Welcome to paradise. Please consult your physician if unforeseen side effects develop. Non-fatal if swallowed. Proven effective in laboratory experiments. This article meets California and New York VOC regulations. I fart in your general direction. Portions of this article were prerecorded. No substitutions allowed. Add toner. Pays for itself in two visits.

This supersedes all previous notices.

Legal Advice courtesy Space Bears!

Private Reply to Avinash Mudaliar

Oct 18, 2005 7:40 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Arun Prabhu
In my opinion, if one were to judge based on media reports that go flip-flop all the time, one would never know what the reality was.

I wonder if Nimish has even bothered to know what sort of support BBN had whipped up for him, what with BBN'ers willing to stage protests and all..

Being on the sidelines of this issue I am not aware if the chap met up with a good lot of us in the first place. It's hard to be judgemental about either party, especially when an issue is raised purely online and the guy never surfaces otherwise. According to me, Nimish should realise (at least in hindsight) that it's harder to find unquestioned support from such a large community as this.

Given that the thread - and therefore the issue - has attracted humongous (wo)manhours at BBN, it's better the network moved on with a lesson or two in mind.

just my two bits..

Arun

Private Reply to Arun Prabhu

Oct 18, 2005 7:46 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

boss
Hey Hey Hey,

Aren't we missing something here. we had Ryzers following up with the newspapers regularly using their contacts we had somebody taking up a demonstration sometime back.

Time & emotion & care have been poured on the topic

IT IS TIME FOR NIMISH TO OPEN UP AND RESPOND.

Private Reply to boss

Oct 18, 2005 7:59 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
i'm getting a feeling that people in this forum were taken for a ride. are we wasting our time here?

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 18, 2005 8:54 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
guys & gals,

i'm sure we have lost the capability to think and act.

when our fellow ryzer said he had a bad incedent, all of us went behind railway officials, saying we will do that , this, etc. now when media says something, we are behind our fellow. now if he comes back saying i did this because of pressure, everybody will probably run behind officials again. and when media turns the page, again behind our fellow. i think we are going in circles, without any result, wasting our time.

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 18, 2005 10:56 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
I have updated the events following the incident at http://sbcbrutes.blogspot.com.

Regards,
Nimish

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 18, 2005 12:20 pmre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Arun Prabhu
Nimish,

Read your updates and am compelled (and sorry) to say you were conned into giving up the case. My take: if you've involved the media (various, in your case) as well as several of the senior officials of the railways, you just had no option but to take the matter to its logical conclusion.

That said, I don't think its appropriate for any of us to judge you - only you know what transpired; but the idealist in me is disappointed by the way this issue was concluded. Don't know if its worth pusuing the matter further, hope it is..

amps

Private Reply to Arun Prabhu

Oct 18, 2005 12:33 pmre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
Arun,

I have learnt a lot from what has happened.

At that point, I just followed what I felt was the right thing to do. Don't want to score brownie points by taking up this issue again. At the end of the day, it takes a lot out of you mentally.

Just want to resume life the way it used to be earlier.

Regards,
Nimish

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 18, 2005 12:59 pmbrutalities in bangalore#

Nitin Shah
Nimish, I can understand the ordeal you have gone thru, but you should take thos case to logical conclusion. You were conned then and you are being conned now. Yes, I know it's difficult. But take TOI to task for printing wrong report, obviously under the influence of Railways. That puts you and me, the ordinary citizen in a very bad prespective. If you don't rake up isue with TOI, tomorrow it could be me or for that matter any one of us, who will be conned by Govt officials. Take TOI to Court for printing wrong news. Stand up for your right and right of any one of us.

Nitin

Private Reply to Nitin Shah

Oct 18, 2005 1:11 pmre: brutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
Nitin,

Thanks for your input. I have shot across an email to the concerned person at Times of India. Hope they take cognizance of the TRUTH.

Regards,
Nimish

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 18, 2005 1:26 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
It is difficult not to believe the version of Nimish.His detailed explanation of the events as they unfolded has a ring of truth that is missing in the official version As one of the members has said Nimish has certainly been conned not only by Srinivas but also by the officialdom .The whole episode has left a bad taste.
S.Ramaswamy,Chennai Ryze

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Oct 18, 2005 4:00 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ganesh Rane
Hi Nimish,
I went through all of your posts from your blog and failed to understand as why did you take back the complaint, to me it looked very irrational thing to do that. Because the intent should have been to prevent such things happening again by setting the examples that those guilty got punished and not to just satisfy your feelings. And you know that criminal people will always act and do drama that they are sorry for what they have done and they will always do it again. we should use our concious thinking and if they are really sorry then they should have courage to face the punishment too. I just failed to understand that why you took back the complaint and you have seen now what happened. That means they were not feeling sorry they staged drama and you were caught into trap again. I felt very much disappointed that your time, effort and the time and efforts of fellow Ryzer have gone into waste...

Ganesh

Private Reply to Ganesh Rane

Oct 18, 2005 5:32 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Nimish Adani
Ganesh,

I just did what I felt was right. I am sorry if it has resulted in disappointment for anyone else, but alas that's how things stand.

Regards,
Nimish

Private Reply to Nimish Adani

Oct 18, 2005 11:35 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ganesh Rane
Hi Nimish,
It's all right!!! At the end of the day it is your decision and matter is related to you. However I still failed to understand some inconsistencies in this matter that I am reproducing it from your blog.

"First, the RPSF staff were called in one by one and questioned. All of them had a common written statement which said that neither did I misbehave nor did they touch me on September 30. Each of them said that they had nothing to add in person apart from this. All the written statements were of the same handwriting."

"Then, the TCs were called in. Obviously, their story was different. They claimed that I had not given a PF ticket, manhandled them thereafter and then I had beaten the RPSF staff. All of them said that they didn't see me being beaten up by the RPSF.
Hearing a bunch of lies repeatedly was frustrating but then they were never going to speaking the truth in any case."

Thus it was crystal clear that those people were lying and fabricating charges against you. Anyone would have felt very angry and would have wished to punish them to the maximum extent rather than thinking that let's forgive them??? You have also said that you were frustated by their lies then what made you think that they were really feeling very sorry for what they did because none of their actions showed it and how come there was sudden change of heart to forgive them after having spent so much time and efforts???

And what happened to the money that was paid to them? Did you get it back?

Thanks !!!

Ganesh


Private Reply to Ganesh Rane

Oct 19, 2005 3:33 amre: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
I have few points & questions here for nimish

1) Any government official in uniform would not dare touch you unless you look shabby.
2) From my experiences with government officials, they will not try to manhandle people unless they are really frustrated.
3) Even if they are frustrated, they will cool down, once you start talking in a cool voice.
4) There is a saying in this place. “Respect even an ass if you want your work get done”. Probably that explains why they treated you as their younger brother at some point when they felt their jobs are in stake.
5) I Completely agree with you that they should not have man handled you, and they have already paid the price for it, by getting transferred to a different place.
6) You were not the only person in railway station who seem to be “well-to-do”
7) Even police who are famous for “brutalities” hesitate to touch people who are “well-to-do”
8) Have you ever seen the instance where police trying to make money from a person driving an “own CAR”, even though they know that they have more money?
9) You say, “This series of events generally occurs on the last day of the month as they know that the salary gets credited on this day”. How many such instances you have heard in Bangalore till now? At least with me, yours is the first and hopefully the last.
10) You said,

I left office at 10:30 AM, to meet the DIG (Railways) as per his appointment. To our surprise, we did not find a single person at Cauvery Bhavan who could direct us to the DIG's office. Cauvery Bhavan consists of several buildings and we had to hunt from one to the other till we reached the right place. All we found there was a huge lock on every door. Incidentally, DIG Shivkumar had given me an appointment on a day which was a government holiday. And why should he have the courtesy to inform me about the same? After all we are fools to run from one place to the other.


Now, I do not believe that a person who is a DIG (supposed to be a very responsible post) would not give you any appointment when you called from ACP Uday Shankar’s office, without looking at their appointments.

11) Are you aware that essential services like police, Railways, hospitals will work 24 hours, 365 days of a year irrespective that weather it is a government holiday or not?
12) I do not believe that your story is complete and you are probably misguiding people, by hiding few things in your story.
13) Government officials are mostly afraid of the media, and they would not try to hide things in front of media, since they know the consequences of doing so.
14) A person who is in the post of DIG/ACP cannot be a fool.
15) Media people can manipulate the truth, but they cannot hide the truth for a long time. Even they know it.
16) Ever since kempegowda established Bangalore, this place is known for its hospitality for others, and it is hard to believe your story.
17) When kempegowda established Bangalore, he called it “gandugala naadu” that is, “land of warriors”. People here are famous for assertive behavior. They are usually very calm and composed, but when provoked, they can be vicious.


Please let people know the complete story, so that people can support for what you have suffered and sack you for your mistakes.

PS: - no offence meant to anybody, but this post is in public interest.

What is namma bengaluru doing? Are they not aware of this issue?


Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 19, 2005 7:15 amre: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Avinash Mudaliar
A few things:

First things first:

Where are we inferring from?

Source of information: sbcbrutes.blogspot.com

SBC BRUTES? Hey, I live in this city! BBN does too!

People were advised to stay calm, not to react, wait another day for the other version of the story...

After the so called clarification, many words were taken back.

Many were requested to maintain restraint as their views mattered.

And what do we get.I drank tea with so and so, SMS ed so and so. Names of every constable to DCP in the station and a sorry note saying " I wanna go ahead with my life, Sir"

Because:

The media is flawed
The Police are crooks
The crooks are crooks
The system is beyond reproach
God save us all!

Wow! and I am still writing this message.

I said this in my previous post and I say it now. So, why all this brouhaha..All this upheaval?


Purview:

A blogspot called " SBC BRUTES" and dedicated to "BRUTALITIES IN BANGALORE" written in bold connot by any stretch of imagination cannot present an un-biased POV, me thinks!(Disclaimer: That is my point of view)

The wheel has come full circle with the media, so much a cog in this story licking its wounds.

From the media perspective:

1)Using the media has its pros and cons. They will see both sides of the story at some point in time.

2) When the media was used to promote the cause there was thankyous all over.

3)When the media presented the other side of the story, It is left to " Almighty God" to slove the matter. (God dammit, if that is the case, then please convict me)

4) Final Inference: The media misinterpreted the story and I wanna go back to my email, gmail and whatever.

Addendum:

Version 1: Thank you TOI, Thank you DH, NDTV,Aaj Tak, STAR, Tehelka, Times NOW and Zee etc. The Tribune carried a story based on these inputs. Thank you all for covering me and my story in all possible via media possible

Version 2: " Lot of you helped me in the process of getting justice but may be disappointed with what's out in the Times of India article today. Here is my side of the story. You can read it in continuation of my previous posts here.

I thought everything was over and done with as far as the railway chaps were concerned till today's article in the Times of India, wherein the DRM Mahesh Kumar has manipulated my words. The article which has quoted him claims that I withdrew the complaint because the enquiry found me at fault on several fronts. God dammit, if that is the case, then please convict me.

On reading the article I immediately sent a message to DCM Anwar with a word of thanks for such a nice way of thanking me. As expected, there was no response.

I thought that what I had done was an act of good faith. But it's been rehashed very conveniently. May God bless them all!"

This is my last post on this matter... So long and thanks for all the fish!

It stinks!

rgds,
Avinash


Private Reply to Avinash Mudaliar

Oct 19, 2005 8:48 amre: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Raghavendra BS
I Agree with you avinash, it stinks. we've had enough.

no more posts from me either.

Private Reply to Raghavendra BS

Oct 19, 2005 2:00 pmre: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Suresh S
Nimish,

Don't bother about what people say. It is easy for people to sit on the net and comment. Dealing with government agencies is pretty frustrating and what you went through was pretty tough. You have tried your best and used your judgement. It is time to move on. All the best for your life.

Private Reply to Suresh S

Oct 23, 2005 10:31 amre: re: re: re: re: brutalities in bangalore#

Ramaswamy Sundararajan
Nimish,
I also feel that your final decision was not right, not because I felt let down as one who supported you.Even without your withdrawal of the case the authorities would have found a way to get the culprits off the hook.The suspension in Govt., when it is done because of public out cry is an eye wash,an exercise in hood winking.The culprits know it and play along.They bank on the short nature of the public memory.
Your withdrawal has made it easier for the authorities to reinstate the guilty.Without satisfying that there was some truth in the allegation and that there was prima facie a case, the authorities would not have kept their men under suspension.So if the complaint had not been withdrawn it would have made them sweat or if they were just, it would have led to examplary punishment of the guilty
In the circumstances you are the final arbiter of what you want to do with your complaint as you were the one affected.so I dont blame you for your step.You wanted to get on with the life.That is how it should be.They will go on with similar harassment of innocent citizens.That is hoe it has always been and will continue to be
I would conclude giving expression to my feeling that that an opportunity has been missed.
S.Ramaswamy,Ryze,Chennai

Private Reply to Ramaswamy Sundararajan

Previous Topic | Next Topic | Topics

Back to Bangalore Business Network





Ryze Admin - Support   |   About Ryze



Ryze Android preview app

Testing Gets Real: blog on A/B testing, building businesses with feedback loops, by Adrian Scott

© Ryze Limited. Ryze is a trademark of Ryze Limited.  Terms of Service, including the Privacy Policy