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| | The Manifesting With Natural Ease Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts | | Kay Haugen's book? | Views: 2978 | | Jan 15, 2007 3:17 am | | Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Shannon Hill | | Anyone familiar with Kay Haugen's book on manifesting? It's called "From the Poorhouse to the Penthouse", or something like that. More religous perspective than I had anitcipated. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has read it or used it. Private Reply to Shannon Hill | | Jan 15, 2007 10:53 pm | | re: Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Dexter Black | | I haven't read it, but just looked it up online. Looks good. Did you get anything from it? Private Reply to Dexter Black | | Jan 16, 2007 8:58 pm | | re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Shannon Hill | | She's very concrete in her steps to manifestation. One of the things that caught my eye - she uses the term "quantum leap", which is a term I've heard Rasheed use. It can be a little frustrating to read, in that her style gets a little preachy here and there, but the content seems pretty solid. Private Reply to Shannon Hill | | Jan 16, 2007 10:15 pm | | re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Dexter Black | | Let me know what type of results you get by using her methods. I guess we all get kind on our soap boxes when we know that we know that we know. ;o)
Dexter Private Reply to Dexter Black | | Jan 17, 2007 4:12 am | | re: Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Marilyn Jenett | |
Hi Shannon,
I like your new photo also...
First of all, any true teacher of manifestation would never use a title like that. Sure it will get attention, but from a marketing hype standpoint. Readers who are evolved would not resonate to that title. It makes me run in the other direction. Even if she has good information inside, she has lost credibility with me from the title.
Just review all of the greatest books and titles of the true masters of manifestation and spiritual law. The titles never contain negative words or words depicting the undesirable condition. The most famous, most respected and widely books of the generations have positive titles representing what you want to create from the book.
I wouldn't want that "p" word staring at me for one single moment.
~ Marilyn
Feel Free to Prosper
http://prosper-network.ryze.com
Private Reply to Marilyn Jenett | | Jan 17, 2007 4:28 pm | | re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Shannon Hill | | You know, Marilyn, funny you should say that. One of the things she does that I have not seen in other books on the subject is this:
In her manifestation affirmations, she wants you to say something like: "In the past, I have experienced (fill in something bad), but now I only experience (fill in something good). That seemed like it was keeping you conscious of and focused on the bad you were trying to get beyond.
Large portions of the work seem solid, and the reason I picked it up was that when you read the back, it focused very heavily on manifestation being open to everyone. But when you read closely, the repitition of negatives bothered me, as did her heavy insistence that it would work better for born-again Christians. Private Reply to Shannon Hill | | Jan 18, 2007 1:38 am | | re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Dexter Black | | From M's input and what you just said, I couldn't imagine it working "better" for anyone.
Dexter Private Reply to Dexter Black | | Jan 18, 2007 6:17 pm | | re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Lindy Asimus | | Oh Dexter.
You aren't trying. I'm sure if you relax you can easily imagine it working for someone. For some people it may work exquisitely. Not for you, maybe, but for someone. And that would be okay wouldn't it?
Anything else is akin to saying, well god will save you... but only "my" god...
Would it not?
Horses for courses.
LindyPrivate Reply to Lindy Asimus | | Jan 18, 2007 7:28 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Shannon Hill | | Anything else is akin to saying, well god will save you... but only "my" god...
This was exactly what bothered me...I never am comfortable with anyone who can say that only "their" god is right. I believe we should all have faith in a higher power, but we should all recognize that other belief systems for addressing that higher power are equally valid, even if they're not right for me. Private Reply to Shannon Hill | | Jan 18, 2007 9:41 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Lindy Asimus | | Well ... they could be equally bogus too, but if they work to get the outcomes you want (and they are ecological in all contexts and do no harm) that's a good thing, right?
Like you perhaps, I am deeply suspicious of those who want to peddle their own version of the Trvth as holy writ.
LindyPrivate Reply to Lindy Asimus | | Jan 19, 2007 4:22 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Dexter Black | | We all have our own points of view, and perhaps she believes in her point of view so strongly there is no other way. That's called conviction. If you have a certain point of view and believe in it, you will come off as Preachy too at times not meaning to be. Or maybe even meaning to be! Are you offended by her faith because it isn't yours? What if she does say or I say "this is the only way to get this done". There are some absolutes in life after all.
For example math. 1 plus 1 is always 2. Doing it any other way is wrong, no matter how much you want to argue the point or are offended by it. Now of course I haven't read her book, but I am talking in general here.
As far as Manifesting, seems there are many ways that works with or without faith in God. For myself, it works with faith in God. I do see though that it can work without faith in Him too, being LOA is a set Law in place already. Understandable to me.
Dexter Private Reply to Dexter Black | | Jan 19, 2007 7:03 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Shannon Hill | | Actually, my specific point of discomfort is not HER faith, but that she states that ONLY her faith is valid. ie - you can only manifest if you're a born again Christian, because, she says, without Jesus manifestation doesn't work. Much of her methodology seems quite valid - repetition, affirmations, etc - but it strikes me as incredibly arrogant to say that if you don't follow her personal faith, you're "not tuned in" to God.
Understand that I'm speaking as a Christian, so the idea of manifesting through prayer doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me, and what I wanted to hear other people's thoughts on, was this idea that there's only one way to access the divine. I don't think any of us has the right to say that YOUR faith is bad, MY faith is good. Some of the best and for lack of a better word holiest people I know are not actually Christians, just as I know many Christians who do not exactly exemplify the values associated with the faith. I believe we each have to choose our own path to the divine.Private Reply to Shannon Hill | | Jul 26, 2007 1:04 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Ann Waller | | Have you thought anymore on this book? I recently saw it on the shelf at Kroger's and it caught my attention. I looked at it then set it back down. Came back and looked at it again. Finally I decided to get it. I can use all the help I can get.
As a Christian, I have struggled in my own walk of faith. I can be very negative, so I needed an adjustment in hopes this book would provide. Sometimes we need a positive standard to follow to try out with our own circumstances.
I do believe unwavering faith - the positive venture - can manifest great things in our lives.
I can't condemn the faith she uses according to scripture because I was healed through my faith in "Jesus" on three occasions in the presence of the Holy Spirit. Some even condemn that, but I know what I experienced and that's all that matters. I believe that what Kay shares in her book is from her own personal experiences and that it is her desire to share her faith, effort and blessings with others. I know how important and necessary "faith" and "connection," or "alignment" as she states is.
It's the matter of staying strong in unwavering faith for something without forgetting about it or giving up.
Kay points out good biblical ways to follow.
I personally use, "The Great Spirit of Love" in place of "God" so I can stay focused on the ways of "love," because I can make God out to be something He is not.Private Reply to Ann Waller | | Aug 13, 2007 9:38 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Walter Paul Bebirian | | Belief is such that whatever you believe in will work -
will work!
whether you believe in an old man with a beard - (not Rasheed - he is too young:-))
a thing called a higher power or the can opener in your kitchen - your unwavering faith and belief in what it is that you have set your mind on to believe - will work - unless or until your thinking changes and then your faith and belief must change with that thinking shift.
This is the way things work -
Because we are all made of the same stuff - is fine (if one either accepts or even begins to understand this) - but there is no telling how anyone gets to what it is that they believe in and just as some people need and focus on the belief in a candle light - there are others whose perspective and understanding are less encompassing and others whose perspective and undertanding are more encompassing -
If I tell you that the spirit or God that everyone refers to is pure energy (nad that this pure energy is shaped by thoughts which are pure energy as well) - and it seems to be different than what you are feeling comfortable with as far as your current level of understanding - there will only be some misunderstanding - or conflict or even rejection about that which I have said to you -whether what I have said is true for someone else or not!
It is true - that whatever you focus on will manifest in your life but - and I know that this is a very important point in the equation - based on what your perception of a particular thing or idea is - that same idea will vary for each different individual focusing on it - and therefore focusing on Spirit or God being energy will mainifest in different things or as different experiences for different people -
If we, for moment grasp the fact that thoughts are things (as has been written in so many different places) then it stands to reason that anyone can have a different thought at any given moment about the same thing or experience or idea or dream -
Some of this I have dealt with expressing through my drawing Fluctuations on my RYZE page and then the animation that was created from various mutations of that drawing Fluctuations - Fluctuating Abstract ionism that is presented on my web site home page:
http://www.575488trillion.com/
don't worry - neither one of them will hurt you - Fluctuations is simply a drawing and the animation is that same drawing in motion - alive and representing my take on the world and the way both I and perhaps some other people experience things -
If you think that this does not make any sense when you first see it because of your belief that it won't - it will not make sense to you -but if you begin to look at with the idea in your mind that there may be something to what I am saying - then you will be able to begin to see what it is that I am saying and sooner than later there will be some magic things happening - if you keep in mind that at any point in time you may be feeling good or bad or so so about anything (it does not matter what they main topic or subject is) and eventually your perception will change sometimes gradually - sometimes instantly but things will always change- and one thing to remember that might hlep is that if you or anyone is in a point in their life and they seem to be stuck - a little bit of motion - movement - looking at things from a different angle may allow them (sometimes for some people) to catch a glimpse of what they have been stuck at or looking at from a singular (not the phone company - that is cingular) perspective from a slightly different angle and then things begin to free up (sometimes for some individuals) -
The lady mentioned above (or anyone for that matter) writes only from the perspective and position that they are in now - based on their current understanding of whatever it is that they are writing about and for each author this changes over time and they begin and continue to relate their writings to things that they are faced with as challenges or that they feel the need to explain as things become clearer for them and perhaps sometimes even less clear -
It is also some people's reality that the more that they think that you know the more they see how little they really do know -
Therefore - from my perspective - it has definitely been helpful to read various authors and teachers along the way in my own development from where I began my inquisitiveness and yet at any particular point in time both I and anyone else may find themselves branching off on their own inner road of understanding even very often surpassing any teacher out there and even sometimes acquiring their own students or simply becoming and perhaps remaining their very own student during the continuous introspection that one may develop along the way -
Looking back can help as well - since if one has made large amout of progress or has taken that quantum leap from a certain starting point and then for whatever reason one finds themselves in an environment or falling back or floundering as to which direction to go in - looking back from whence one came in an attempt to re-establish the connection between the starting point and the quantum leap that was made from that starting point is - for some people, a perfectly valid way of doing things- just as anything that works for any one individual is a valid way - for that individual.
To use an example of this that I use to remind myself of the fact that we are all individuals and can all accomplish the same thing in effect each in their very own unique way - I take you to the ocean (or for those who have never had the pleasure of the ocean I will take you instead to a lake in the early spring time) -
There we may find any number of different people - differing in shapes and sizes and body skin tones but all attempting to enter the water for the expected pleasure of the experience - of being immersed in it - even here the expected experience is different for each person -
Looking closely at the different approaches of entering that water - we will find as many dfferent approaches to this task of submerging oneself - as their are individuals starting out on either the ocean or the lake shore line -
The same thing goes for each individaul's way of getting in touch with that power within - but mind - you some people may never get beyond dipping their toes into that ocean and that is fine for their personalities and level of desire to enter that water - and others are in there in a flash - and still others may also drown themselves and have their entire lives snubbed out in quick moment by losing themselves totally in something that they do not know how to deal with - or to emerge from -----
So - please remember that I have written this from my own unique and individual perspective and this merely represents my own individual understanding of things at this point in time -
I, like everyone else in the world, am free to move in any direction that I so choose to from this point in time and from this point of understanding where I seem to be (or am as far as my understanding is concerned) now -
thank you!
Walter :-)
http://www.575488trillion.com
http://bebirianart.com
Private Reply to Walter Paul Bebirian | | Sep 16, 2007 9:34 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Kay Haugen's book? | # | 
Judi Singleton | | I think you are right Walter. It is not so important what you believe as that you believe. Nice to be interacting with you again. Judi
Judi Singleton
http://www.newsecretslawofattractions.com/
Life coaching and classes available.Private Reply to Judi Singleton | | Sep 28, 2007 8:08 pm | | re: Kay Haugen's book? | # |
Carolyn Venable | | Your discussion on the book From the Poorhouse to the Penthouse was interesting in that some find her book too “Christian”. I find it unsound Scripturally, since the Christian Scriptures teach a difference between the soul and the spirit (Hebrews 4). Once one is born-again spiritually through faith in Jesus Christ and His atoning blood, the soul must be renewed through the reading of the Word, and then finally, at Christ’s return, even the physical body will be transformed like unto His resurrected body.
While various techniques for manifestation may work for anybody, I rejected those soulish practices (Yes, “I once practiced Buddhist austerities…”) and now choose to lay down my life for the Father’s will. As Jesus Christ taught us to pray, my prayer is “Our Father, Who art in heaven….Your will be done.”
There are many techniques for manipulating wills, people, things. None of it compares to Christ in me, my “hope of glory!” “I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me.” “For whosover desires to save his life [psuche] will lose it, and whoever loses his life [psuche] for My [Christ’s] sake will find it. For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
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