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Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac EnglishViews: 1961
Feb 16, 2004 9:06 amDiscover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Ranajit Tendolkar
How many times, whether traveling by train, bus or in the environs of Bandra have you had the benefit of hearing what is popularly known as MacPao English ? Don't have a clue as to what I am prattling about, huh? Read on dear Fus and Fas...and continue to Discover Mumbai...

Native to Mumbai is the East Indian community. Our very own PhotoTakeOuter is one. East Indians are the descendants of indigenous Marathi speaking people of Mumbai and its environs, who were converted Christianity, around the mid 1500s. The designation "East Indian" was adopted by the community on the occaasion of the Golden Jubilee of Queen Victoria in 1887.

This here is a basic primer to the peculiar English that East Indians speak...which to the first timer, sounds like pretty trashy English. Erroneously its also known as the Bandra Mac accent - but believe me its very much confined to East Indians all thruout Mumbai and its environs - all the way from Alibaug right upto Uttan...and where ever East Indian "gaothans" abound.

The original author of the peice is unknown, else I would have given him/her due credit. I have however added to the worthy lady/gent's words.

So let me give you a few ground rules, and the next time you find yourself, in Rajan, Shirley or Chuim in Bandra or any other gaothan, you can blend in perfectly...albeit a little practice will be required.

Always use "d" for "th".
Eg. Dere for there, or dat for that, but taut for thought (dont ask why) and tink for think

Never pronounce "h" anywhere. H is always silent.

Use "wat" for what, liberally, even if there's no question asked or implied.
Eg."You coming wit me wat men."

Use a Hindi/Marathi verb with an English ending.
Eg. Lagoing, ass-fatting

Use words twice to emphasise your point.
Eg. "Aayee Nobby, walk fast fast men or we'll miss da train."

Use 'Cun" for "come on".
Eg, Cun men, we'll jam up tonite or wat.

Use the word "men" generously, even if speaking to a womam.
Eg. "Aayee Gracie, 'ow you feeling now men?"

Use the word "no" even if the sentence dosent have a negative connotation.
Eg. " 'Ey Eric, Gracie makes good dukkar pulao, no."

Now that you got the hang of the language, here are some masterpieces of the East Indian Mac English:

Situation: Meeting Larry on Saturday morning in the bazzar
- 'Ow you men Larry ?

Situation: Larry's wife explianing her fish buying spree at lunch later that day.
- Da koli woman no, was giving me dis dis small pomflit for bleedy fifty rupees men. I told 'er not to do s'aan patti wid me men.

Situation: Elederly men from the gaothan talking at the local Irani joint during Sunday morning sermon
- Aare, dat bledy Sandy no, yesterday 'e lagoed solid whisky at the communion party men.

Situation: Spinster aunty yelling to school boy in Chuim village
- You don't 'ave any sense wat riding cycal so fast.

Situation: Line heard at Supari talao during a football match, asking Savio to bend the ball like Beckham
- Cun, men Savio. Put tru men, put tru.

Situation: Boys stealing mangoes in the afternoon in Rathodi village, near Malwani.
- Aare see dere men, dere, aare left men, see dere men, arre big bugger men dere. Hit one s'ot with da catty men.

Situation: Often heard after a Saturday night binge
- Aaye, what men basket, why you are saying anything aboud my fadder and mudder?

Situation: Family rosary ate the Pereiras
- 'Ail Mary, full of grace, da Lord is with dee, blessed art t'ou...Norma ! NORMAA ! ! Just see wedere da back door is locked..amongst woman and blessed is da fruit of t'y womb Jesus....it's closed no?? ok baba...'oly Mary....

Situation: Swapping recipes while standing and gossiping at the junction
- You know T'eressa, dat day I took little ginger garlic, little onion, so much so much masala dat i ground, put chicken and the curry, came out good mem...

Situation: Housewives gossiping at Cross feast party
- Dat day no, solid rain came no, so i made nice hot hot soup and we had it wit' da kadak gutli pao Peter bot...

One of the most common ways of gossiping among the older generation is done in a very six degrees of separation-ish kind of way, in which a person may may be linked up with anyone from the owner of Johnny's Cold Storage at Pork market junction to the Cardinal. Ok here goes....another example of conversation...
- Do you know Joe's son Eric is getting married to Diana?
- Who, Die-na, men?
- Aare, Diana men, Alfie's and Maggie's daughter...
- Who, Alfie men?
- Alfie men from dere. Remember, w'en dey were small dey used to stay near Brian's 'ouse on C'apel road, near the bakery men... 'e married dat girl Maggie from Surley village..
- Who Maggie, Mary's daughter?
- No baba. Annies sister, Joanie's daughter. You know Annie no, her son Clyde was married to Hazel and dey were living for donkeys years in da Gulf, den after Clyde 'ad his stroke, 'e retired and dey settled down 'ere. Dere son is dat Leslie...he was an engineer...very very smart boy...now all dat drinking 'as ruined 'im.
- Yes, yes...i know 'e was married to dat nice girl Corina from C'imbai, but den after s'e 'ad 'er miscarriage, all 'is drinking and all started...and dey got divorced...

...and this way it keeps going on and on, talking about everyone they know and not going back to poor ol' Joe.

So practice 'ard and you may yet pass off as genuine - of course dont try this with East Indians - they will see thru you immediately.

Private Reply to Ranajit Tendolkar

Feb 16, 2004 9:56 amre: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

FuFaji Lalit Vashishta
With no malice to any one here...Ranten, this has been the most hilarious post so far, I was rolling while reading it

Fu Lalit
> Ranajit Tendolkar wrote:
> How many times, whether traveling by train, bus or in the environs of Bandra have you had the benefit of hearing what is popularly known as MacPao English ? Don't have a clue as to what I am prattling about, huh? Read on dear Fus and Fas...and continue to Discover Mumbai...
>
>Native to Mumbai is the East Indian community. Our very own PhotoTakeOuter is one. East Indians are the descendants of indigenous Marathi speaking people of Mumbai and its environs, who were converted Christianity, around the mid 1500s. The designation "East Indian" was adopted by the community on the occaasion of the Golden Jubilee of Queen Victoria in 1887.
>
>This here is a basic primer to the peculiar English that East Indians speak...which to the first timer, sounds like pretty trashy English. Erroneously its also known as the Bandra Mac accent - but believe me its very much confined to East Indians all thruout Mumbai and its environs - all the way from Alibaug right upto Uttan...and where ever East Indian "gaothans" abound.
>
>The original author of the peice is unknown, else I would have given him/her due credit. I have however added to the worthy lady/gent's words.
>
>So let me give you a few ground rules, and the next time you find yourself, in Rajan, Shirley or Chuim in Bandra or any other gaothan, you can blend in perfectly...albeit a little practice will be required.
>
>Always use "d" for "th".
>Eg. Dere for there, or dat for that, but taut for thought (dont ask why) and tink for think
>
>Never pronounce "h" anywhere. H is always silent.
>
>Use "wat" for what, liberally, even if there's no question asked or implied.
>Eg."You coming wit me wat men."
>
>Use a Hindi/Marathi verb with an English ending.
>Eg. Lagoing, ass-fatting
>
>Use words twice to emphasise your point.
>Eg. "Aayee Nobby, walk fast fast men or we'll miss da train."
>
>Use 'Cun" for "come on".
>Eg, Cun men, we'll jam up tonite or wat.
>
>Use the word "men" generously, even if speaking to a womam.
>Eg. "Aayee Gracie, 'ow you feeling now men?"
>
>Use the word "no" even if the sentence dosent have a negative connotation.
>Eg. " 'Ey Eric, Gracie makes good dukkar pulao, no."
>
>Now that you got the hang of the language, here are some masterpieces of the East Indian Mac English:
>
>Situation: Meeting Larry on Saturday morning in the bazzar
> - 'Ow you men Larry ?
>
>Situation: Larry's wife explianing her fish buying spree at lunch later that day.
> - Da koli woman no, was giving me dis dis small pomflit for bleedy fifty rupees men. I told 'er not to do s'aan patti wid me men.
>
>Situation: Elederly men from the gaothan talking at the local Irani joint during Sunday morning sermon
> - Aare, dat bledy Sandy no, yesterday 'e lagoed solid whisky at the communion party men.
>
>Situation: Spinster aunty yelling to school boy in Chuim village
> - You don't 'ave any sense wat riding cycal so fast.
>
>Situation: Line heard at Supari talao during a football match, asking Savio to bend the ball like Beckham
> - Cun, men Savio. Put tru men, put tru.
>
>Situation: Boys stealing mangoes in the afternoon in Rathodi village, near Malwani.
> - Aare see dere men, dere, aare left men, see dere men, arre big bugger men dere. Hit one s'ot with da catty men.
>
>Situation: Often heard after a Saturday night binge
> - Aaye, what men basket, why you are saying anything aboud my fadder and mudder?
>
>Situation: Family rosary ate the Pereiras
> - 'Ail Mary, full of grace, da Lord is with dee, blessed art t'ou...Norma ! NORMAA ! ! Just see wedere da back door is locked..amongst woman and blessed is da fruit of t'y womb Jesus....it's closed no?? ok baba...'oly Mary....
>
>Situation: Swapping recipes while standing and gossiping at the junction
> - You know T'eressa, dat day I took little ginger garlic, little onion, so much so much masala dat i ground, put chicken and the curry, came out good mem...
>
>Situation: Housewives gossiping at Cross feast party
> - Dat day no, solid rain came no, so i made nice hot hot soup and we had it wit' da kadak gutli pao Peter bot...
>
>One of the most common ways of gossiping among the older generation is done in a very six degrees of separation-ish kind of way, in which a person may may be linked up with anyone from the owner of Johnny's Cold Storage at Pork market junction to the Cardinal. Ok here goes....another example of conversation...
>- Do you know Joe's son Eric is getting married to Diana?
>- Who, Die-na, men?
>- Aare, Diana men, Alfie's and Maggie's daughter...
>- Who, Alfie men?
>- Alfie men from dere. Remember, w'en dey were small dey used to stay near Brian's 'ouse on C'apel road, near the bakery men... 'e married dat girl Maggie from Surley village..
>- Who Maggie, Mary's daughter?
>- No baba. Annies sister, Joanie's daughter. You know Annie no, her son Clyde was married to Hazel and dey were living for donkeys years in da Gulf, den after Clyde 'ad his stroke, 'e retired and dey settled down 'ere. Dere son is dat Leslie...he was an engineer...very very smart boy...now all dat drinking 'as ruined 'im.
>- Yes, yes...i know 'e was married to dat nice girl Corina from C'imbai, but den after s'e 'ad 'er miscarriage, all 'is drinking and all started...and dey got divorced...
>
>...and this way it keeps going on and on, talking about everyone they know and not going back to poor ol' Joe.
>
>So practice 'ard and you may yet pass off as genuine - of course dont try this with East Indians - they will see thru you immediately.

Private Reply to FuFaji Lalit Vashishta

May 17, 2004 11:25 amre: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Edward Dmello
Wat to do, Ranjit, men? All East Indians are l'at (like that) only!

;-)

Private Reply to Edward Dmello

Mar 30, 2005 5:47 amre: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Ranjan Rajgopaul
hi ranten - too funny man. but this be discimination against the anglos of banglo or hybad or myesore. you never heard the dingos down south or what, men?

some classics go to the tune of:
At the dinner table...
"pisla [priscilla], pislaaa! cummin chile rightnow, dinnas steeming up de ceelin'"

oiled dude being told by his girl that he's a shade dark...
"yeaaar [difficult to spell this] budy [bloody] mona, wot u tot men, black jack n'all's fine men, but when i go back 'ome [to england] then you'll be sorry you hear?"


...more soon
woof!
Ranjan

Private Reply to Ranjan Rajgopaul

Apr 06, 2005 6:03 amre: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Rohan Sabharwal
HILARIOUS!

you must be a bandra boy! i had the pleasure of beeng dere, dun dat, bot da t-shirt!

stanislaus men!

Private Reply to Rohan Sabharwal

Apr 06, 2005 3:54 pmDiscover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

SOEB FATEHI
hey good to see this post revived - enjoy reading it everytime

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Apr 08, 2005 7:04 pmre: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Food For Thought
hey, i left b'bay almost a year ago. and nothing brought back memories as strongly as this post. cliqued as it is, it is truly bombay! gawd, i miss the place, men!

Private Reply to Food For Thought

Apr 08, 2005 10:22 pmre: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

FuFaji Lalit Vashishta
Yes, this is the most hilarious post by Ranten.
Ranten if you try to know him, will realise has the best sense of humour. He gets a wee bit rustic sometimes, who cares thats his style. Does it matter? NO
All Fufas loved him, will love him always
Cheers
Fufaji

Private Reply to FuFaji Lalit Vashishta

Mar 25, 2006 3:16 pmre: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Ashish Gorde
This has to be the funniest post I came across for a long, long time. In fact, it was only two weeks ago a Ryzer friend from Bombay was explaining to me about the intricacies of "Mac-English" while we were chatting on MSN, and I had a good laugh... must share this with her now.

Ashish Gorde
http://www.ashishgorde.org
http://ashishgorde.blogspot.com

Private Reply to Ashish Gorde

Mar 25, 2006 3:39 pmre: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

SOEB FATEHI
Hey Ashish - It is so good to see you here . . . . . . . You can even connect this post to the current one on S&Co for your friend . . . . . .

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Mar 25, 2006 5:32 pmre: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Tushar
Some really good research

Tushar

Private Reply to Tushar

Mar 25, 2006 6:08 pmre: re: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Ashish Gorde
Thanks, Soeb, for the welcome... had a really good laugh over this one. Must make sure to record some Mac-lingo next time I visit Bombay. I have some Goan friends who talk a bit like this but never realised there was already term for it. :-))

Ashish Gorde
http://www.ashishgorde.org
http://ashishgorde.blogspot.com

Private Reply to Ashish Gorde

Oct 05, 2006 3:58 amre: re: re: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

SOEB FATEHI
Ashish, nex time ven youll be in Bombay men?

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Oct 08, 2006 7:05 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Lavanya Karalkar
Archive searching before Diwali is always good Soeb Fatehi.

Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar

Oct 08, 2006 8:00 amre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

SOEB FATEHI
thinking of what is good and what is bad can be done on a philosophical platform - this is FuFa for destress platform


your divali reminded me of song - jyot se jyot jalate chalo prem ki ganga bahate chalo . . . . .

Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI

Oct 08, 2006 2:03 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Lavanya Karalkar
I am visualising 'Bhoot Soot mein' Soeb Fatehi holding a diya in hand and jalaoing the others kept around, dancing to the tunes of the background music, jyot se jyot jalathe chalo..

Mr. Gode..oops again galti se mishtake..Mr. Gorde..just make out a sketch of above scene like Satyajit Ray used to do so that same can be included in our forthcoming globe buster.

Arre..a meek voice i hear..who is that.. oh.. that is Madam Jyo not to be left behind. Please keep her in the background too wearing white fairy attire. Let me think a little more and come back..

Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar

Oct 08, 2006 8:18 pmre: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Discover Mumbai series....A Primer to Mac English#

Ashish Gorde
What, man, Soeb... I - toh - will be coming to Bombay.. I don't know, man, maybe next year...

Ms. Karalkar, gosh, galti se mishtake and you - toh - made me Mr Gode... khayr chod do yeh batein... anyway, we must get Mr Fatehi as script writer for our blockbuster because I smell the boxoffice go kaching.

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