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New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?Views: 1469
Oct 21, 2008 6:12 amNew Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Amit Karia
A friend of mine has devised a great dice game which can be played by two to 5 people, simple and fun - I would like to know if this game can be protected so it can't be copied - what does one need to do? How much does it cost to protect this idea?

Thanks and regards
Amit

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Oct 21, 2008 6:35 amre: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Jayant Tewari, OutSourced CFO
I think the game would need to be patented .... and you'd need a filing in India as well as in US and Europe for worldwide protection ....
If you're planning to talk to people for distribution and can't really afford to patent at this stage, do it under a Non Competition & Non Circumvention & Non Utilisation Agreement which is much wider in scope than a normal Non Disclosure Agreement .... http://OutSourcedCFO.GooglePages.Com

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Oct 21, 2008 4:42 pmre: re: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Ritu
Jayant, 'Non Competition & Non Circumvention & Non Utilisation Agreement ' sounds intriguing n interesting....could you please throw more light upon it??

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Oct 22, 2008 2:19 amNew Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

SOEB FATEHI
Dice Game? Patent?

The Mahabharata (all about dice and more)
is not patented and not copyright protected
. . . . even if it were - how would it work?



Does your friend wish to patent the game? How?

Patent the rules of play?

Or the code if it is written for play on the computer?
If the code then - does the code use any random number
generator routine or algorithm? and is that patented?
If yes then your friend is in trouble already. If no
then any dice game built on a public domain mathematical
random number generation system can be circumvented easily
by simple manipulation of the code by most college kids.



I am sure your friend must have put in much thought already.

Will he care to share so that the illuminati present can
serve him better guidance?

What exactly does he wish to protect? Is the market worth
of the same sufficient to warrant the costs of protection?
Is he aware of the operating costs incurred in enforcing
protection rights?




'Non Competition & Non Circumvention & Non Utilization
Agreement' cannot protect or compensate against PIRACY
over which the signatories have no control especially
when the piracy takes place in countries that do not
cooperate in tracking down pirates.


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Oct 22, 2008 3:09 amre: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Vijay Nair
I love it when ONE question is asked and in answer a HUNDRED more are asked and by the time the first ONE is answered, we end up answering a HUNDRED more in between.

"Illumination" !!!!

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Oct 22, 2008 2:26 pmre: re: re: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Ritu
Soeb...dice games (assuming its some new variation) need to be patented....remember scrabble vs scrabulous??

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Oct 22, 2008 4:25 pmre: re: re: re: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Amit Karia
Thanks everyone for the inputs.

The game is to be played by physical players but it would a natural progression to take it digital. I am not srue such a game exists but for arguments sake, lets presume it is a variation of a similar dice game played somewhere in the world but there is nothing available in the market, it is not a packaged game, it probably doesn't exist in a marketable way - what are the solutions??

anyone help me with costs invoved for patenting in India, overseas or guide me where I can get more information on costs.

Look forward to feedback.

Regards
Amit

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Oct 23, 2008 10:38 amre: re: re: re: re: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Ritu
Ooops galti se mistake hogayi...scrabble vs scrabulous was about infringment of trademark i guess n not at all about patenting....maybe games can't be patented afterall as Soeb pointed out...or can they be???

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Oct 23, 2008 10:59 amre: re: re: re: re: re: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Jayant Tewari, OutSourced CFO
Have been following this thread with interest .... I believe any legal protection is a commercially unviable proposition untill there is a commercial proposition evident. Its certainly not cheap and tends to put matters into public domain where a rich company can always cease the opportunity to tactically infringe your filing. By the time you sort it out in court, he's already made his millions. A "Cease & Desist" order requires the best of representation which no entrepreneur can ever afford.
I would suggest a strong contractual framework during the search of a producer (A Game Company) and Distribution alongwith Financing for its commercialisation.
The Contractual Framework, as I mentioned already, would be provided by a well drafted Non Disclosure, Non Utilisation and Non Circumvention Agreement. The details of the Game would only be disclosed to such parties which consent to sign the draft agreement.
Patent, Copyright and Trade Mark registrations are irrelevant untill you've achieved the size and scale to enforce them.

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Oct 23, 2008 3:19 pmNew Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

SOEB FATEHI
what? what? where i said that games cant be patented? where i said?

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Oct 23, 2008 5:35 pmre: re: New Dice Game - Patent, Copyright - anyone here who can help?#

Ritu
Aapne aisa nahi kaha kya??...naa jaane mujhe aisa kyu laga ki aapne aisa hee kaha.

'Dice Game? Patent?

The Mahabharata (all about dice and more)
is not patented and not copyright protected
. . . . even if it were - how would it work?'

I thought that amounted to your saying that you thought that dice games can't be patented.

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