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| The ..:INDIA BUSINESS CLUB:.. Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts | Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | Views: 34888 | Apr 19, 2005 9:02 am | | Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Dear all,
I am looking for partners to accelerate building *the* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand as the next phase of Teleindia.Com.
We already are on the roadmap towards them at Malaysia.Net, Singapore.Net and Indonesia.Net
What is a Knowledge Economy Brand?
For the essence, please click on http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview
For some of the work in progress click on http://www.malaysia.net/blog/6
What type of partners is Bala looking for?
Some make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened. I am looking for "some make the world happen" types.
cheers../balaPrivate Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 25, 2005 7:44 am | | re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Anita Vasudeva | | Hi Bala I've been following your journey since the first time we connected - almost a year ago now? While I find that I nod while reading your posts and mails and fundamentally agree with your direction and quest, I keep coming back to a basic obstacle. Knowledge - specially developmental and innovative trigger knowledge - in any area, will find inputs and catalysts from regular people - our mass of humanity. To harness this requires simple paths, simple systems, easy and attractive interactions. Our objective is to direct knowledge available in "mind colonies" to tangible paths with transformation. The complexity of trying to do that should not keep the mass of minds away. I still find the conversations, links, email newsletters amazingly complex. Went to malaysia.net - to me it seemed like a regular social forum focusing on knowledge issues where participants are looking to do something. Is that right?
Also when you say you are looking for partners - there are many people who wish to be "make the world happen" types. But what all does it involve?
Am I getting through to you? I hope so - Cheers - Anita Private Reply to Anita Vasudeva | Apr 25, 2005 8:28 am | | re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shrinath Navghane | | I was just thinking what a great idea this way.. when suddenly I realise.. aren't the people who are involved in making/improving the world too busy to be even a part of something like this. Anita has a point.. why not make it interesting and less complicated.
Cheers!
Shrinath Navghane Director & CEO Matrix Syndicate IndiaPrivate Reply to Shrinath Navghane | Apr 25, 2005 10:33 am | | re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Anita, Shrinath and all,
Thanks for responding.
Anita writes:
>The complexity of trying to do that should >not keep the mass of minds away. I still >find the conversations, links, email newsletters >amazingly complex.
Anita -- totally agree. Making a simple usable technology is a complex affair. For example, Google looks rather simple. That is because it has gone through lots of complexity and tucks it away in the background well. Ditto with Apple's Ipod.
Here's a quote from Alwayson Network: http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=9741_0_4_0_C
[i]Readers should also closely observe Apple's focus on ease of use. In a recent Fortune interview, Steve Jobs said, "At Apple we come at everything asking, 'How easy is this going to be for the user? How great is going to be for the user?' ... Apple's core strength is to bring very high technology to mere mortals in a way that surprises and delights them and that they can figure out how to use. Software is the key to that. In fact, software is the user experience."[/i]
On how Malaysia.Net looks like now. It is at a stage equivalent to what a baby will look like when it is half-way through development in a mother's womb. Yes, not exactly a pretty sight -- not your pretty darling face of joy etc. Yes, it requires imagination to traject the roadmap at http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview Yes, it takes imagination to imagine the solution to a problem and the milestones to them. Yes, it takes imagination to put up with a not-pretty looking embryo and imagine it being a walking tall person.
On type of "some make the world happen" partners. I have to work with the most imaginative I can find -- needless to say, this is unprecedented. Please talk to:-
1) Arun Nair 2) Sohar Sarkar -- http://www.ryze.com/go/Sohag 3) Rinka Singh -- they "get it". They in turn will coordinate next layers.
All 3 are on Ryze.
Shrinath -- short albeit curt (apologies) answer to your question, because I have way too much on my plate:-
Prioritisation. Time Management -- get on with it. Needless to say what I am proposing is not for all. It is not for the majority. It is for the very very few inventive, to whom this resonates more than others in this league.
cheers../bala Private Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 25, 2005 10:46 am | | re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | By the way, I would urge those in the borderline of "make the world happen" or "maybe am", to read, reflect and attempt applying:-
Turning Problems Into Money: How? at:
http://www.malaysia.net/node/150
cheers../balaPrivate Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 25, 2005 11:48 am | | re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | A good location for those who want to rise up into business artistry [1] is the "In Between" community at Openbc. Mingle with European business artistry folks.
Go to http://www.openbc.com/net/between
For some humour, start with the exchange between me and John Grantham at:
http://www.openbc.com/cgi-bin/forum.fpl?op=showarticles&id=414689
cheers../bala
[1]Business artists = imaginative, ideasful folks in all business areas. Key commonality is foresightful, imaginative, possibilities respecting outlook. Eg those who have the cognitive capacity to imagine that a problem has already been solved and imagine the milestones towards it.
Pooh-poohing an idea is easy -- anyone can do it. You can find them for a rupee a dozen. Having a possibilities respecting outlook takes heaps of inner strength.
Takes heaps of inner strength to detachedly perceive a problem (because you have to go past pervasive denial), imagine solution scenarios, rank them in order of doability, rank them in order of how "Low Hanging Fruit" they are, and articulate the least evil of them. Given that the incumbent scenario is not a bed of roses.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 25, 2005 8:38 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shrinath Navghane | | Hi Bala, I think you have done a great job in explaining yourself.. with a lot of emotion I should say. Its good that you can connect so well with your ideas. But I am still failing to draw parallels between iPod's ease and Knowledge Economy Brand. Anyways.. U did prove one of my points by stating that you dont have time :)
All the best...
Shrinath Navghane Executive Director Indian Entrepreneur Club! http://openbc.com/net/iecPrivate Reply to Shrinath Navghane | Apr 26, 2005 12:14 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Shrinath :-)
Let's agree to disagree and move on. Here's my view:-
There is a cardinal difference that you are missing.
You are saying "Lack of time is a big problem PERIOD [1]".
I am saying "Lack of time is a big problem; THE HARDER A PROBLEM, THE GREATER THE REWARD TO THOSE WHO SOLVE IT".
cheers../bala
[1] And your position from your current sense-making framework, is understandable. It comes from the memes of religion (eg "Default, problems are caused by God and he has a reason to do so that cannot be understood or analysed -- let's keep it in its mysterious blackbox etc. You are not saying these consciously -- they are patterns that come from centuries of embedding into conversations, and so have become entrenched features of narrative).
My suggestion: apply your mind to how the Americans have time to invent Google and thousands more, how Indians had time to invent quantum inventions before 1000 AD, and what some solution scenarios might be. Indians are capable of solving much harder problems than we are currently solving. And of course, they will take time/mind! And we have to, if we do not want to continue to (1) mainly be koolies to the white man, (2) if we do not want to give up on the race we have with the Chinese and (3) if we want to accelerate in solving lots more Indian domestic problems See my recent post on "Sense-Making or KM?" on the Worldwide Knowledge Management Forum here on Ryze.
p.s. pardon the capitals, they are for emphasis. Private Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 26, 2005 4:15 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Abhinav Goyal | | Bala, Others,
I am not sure of what is being discussed here anymore.
1. There are lots of problems to be solved in the world - I think everyone agrees to that.
2. There's money to be made while solving the problems - No disconnects there either. Some problems, some solutions at my blog at http://www.bloglines.com/blog/abhinavgoyal
3. Also, tougher the problem, more the money involved - Yup. 4. The whole point of Anita's note (I thought) was that if you are taking the trouble to communicate to an audience, do it in a way that the intended audience understands. Fair enough - basics, Communication 101. So far, so good.
5. Bala's response was that if you understand the communication, you are authorized to participate. This is fine by me too - the author is putting a message saying whoever understands, come back.
Somewhere after that, its got fuzzy - where did time, lack of time, et al come in and what does that have to do with solving the basic problem, i.e. "building a knowledge economy"?
Building a "brand" ain't good enough problem to me unless it is accompanied by work on building a sound knowledge economy itself. IMHO, Branding is passe. Also suggested by John Grant in "After Image".
Lets get back to the problem and solve it. :)
Cheers, AbhinavPrivate Reply to Abhinav Goyal | Apr 26, 2005 4:41 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Abhinav,
Agreed. Enough said.
We're building as we speak.
For example, see http://www.tamil.net/node/133
cheers../balaPrivate Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 26, 2005 11:23 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shrinath Navghane | | I do agree I got lost, or I am failing to understand what really is up in Bala's mind? The task sounds huge and confusing. How do you solve all problems or intend to do so? Whats the benefit in long term? India is constantly changing, so its not necessary that what problems exist today will be there tomorrow too.. New developments come with their set of problems.
About forming a team, who decides that they are the ones qualified to build this brand? Ofourse with a Open forum, anyone and everyone can participate.. but that doesnt solve the problem.
Bala you use hyper examples to prove your point (baby, google, ipod....), with complicated wording which only a few may understand, after reading twice or so. Be to the point. Google was built as a Sound Business Model, not Economy Brand and is making Millions of Dollars in advertising & licencing revenues for the owners.
How do you plan do so in your venture? I am a entrepreneur running several profitable multinational businesses and surely not intending to be a coolie or something, that comment was absurd and intentional towards insulting I think. Time is money for me and I would rather suggest people to stay away from something in which they dont gain anything.. moneterily.
Hope you respect my views and this time use some simple language.
Cheers!
Shrinath Navghane Executive Director Indian Entrepreneur Club! http://openbc.com/net/iec p.s. Its not that everyone should agree with your point.Private Reply to Shrinath Navghane | Apr 27, 2005 4:35 pm | | Knowledge Requires Great Daring | # | Bala Pillai | | http://www.humancondition.info/books/ASpeciesInDenial/Introduction.html
Excerpt:
‘Knowledge requires great daring. It means victory over ancient, primeval terror. Fear makes the search for truth and the knowledge of it impossible. Knowledge implies fearlessness…Conquest of fear is a spiritual cognitive act. This does not imply, of course, that the experience of fear is not lived through; on the contrary, it may be deeply felt, as was the case with Kierkegaard, for instance…it must also be said of knowledge that it is bitter, and there is no escaping that bitterness…Particularly bitter is moral knowledge, the knowledge of good and evil. But the bitterness is due to the fallen state of the world, and in no way undermines the value of knowledge…it must be said that the very distinction between good and evil is a bitter distinction, the bitterest thing in the world…Moral knowledge is the most bitter and [requires] the most fearless of all for in it sin and evil are revealed to us along with the meaning and value of life. There is a deadly pain in the very distinction of good and evil, of the valuable and the worthless. We cannot rest in the thought that that distinction is ultimate. The longing for God in the human heart springs from the fact that we cannot bear to be faced for ever with the distinction between good and evil and the bitterness of choice…Ethics must be both theoretical and practical, i.e. it must call for the moral reformation of life and a revaluation of values as well as for their acceptance. And this implies that ethics is bound to contain a prophetic element. It must be a revelation of a clear conscience, unclouded by social conventions; it must be a critique of pure conscience’ (tr. N. Duggington, 1955, pp.14-16 of 310).
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview
http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com
Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 27, 2005 5:09 pm | | Simple Vs Synthesised Notions (aka Exformation) | # | Bala Pillai | | http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-001298.htm
Exformation 2004-06-24 06:58
by Flemming Funch
Mentioned by Bala Pillai. What is exformation?:
This word is used by Tor Nřrretranders in his book The User Illusion, published in Danish in 1991 and in English in 1998. He argues that effective communication depends on a shared body of knowledge between the persons communicating. If someone is talking about cows, for example, what is said will be unintelligible unless the person listening has some idea what a cow is, what it is good for, and in what contexts one might encounter one. In using the word "cow", Nřrretranders says, the speaker has deliberately thrown away a huge body of information, though it remains implied. He illustrates the point with a story of Victor Hugo writing to his publisher to ask how his most recent book, Les Miserables, was getting on. Hugo just wrote "?", to which his publisher replied "!", to indicate it was selling well. The exchange would have no meaning to a third party because the shared context is unique to those taking part in it. This shared context Tor Nřrretranders calls exformation. He coined the word as a abbreviated form of explicitly discarded information, originally in Danish as eksformation; the word first appeared in English in an article he wrote in 1992. He says "exformation is everything we do not actually say but have in our heads when or before we say anything at all. Information is the measurable, demonstrable utterance we actually come out with".
From the information content of a message alone, there is no way of measuring how much exformation it contains.
[Tor Nřrretranders, The User Illusion (1998)]
Thought, argues Norretranders, is in fact a process of chucking away information, and it is this detritus (happily labelled "exformation") that is crucially involved in "automatic" behaviours of expertise (riding a bicycle, playing the piano), and which is therefore the most precious to us as people.
[Guardian, Sep. 1998]
It is quite obvious, but we easily forget. We leave out much, much more than we're actually passing between us when we communicate. If we leave out roughly the same stuff, our communication can be very effective. A high rate of compression. If what we leave out is not the same between us, it is a mess.
Remember that human language is always just a shorthand, and never anything complete and precise in itself. It is not terribly much more meaningful to say "love" than to say "100110", unless we agree on what it refers to. I.e. what we've left out, but which we try to point to.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 27, 2005 8:59 pm | | re: Simple Vs Synthesised Notions (aka Exformation) | # | Shrinath Navghane | | "ignorance is bliss.." from The Matrix :) Private Reply to Shrinath Navghane | Apr 29, 2005 9:31 am | | What is knowledge? | # | Bala Pillai | | From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala @ apic.net] Sent: Friday, 29 April 2005 6:42 PM To: 'act-km @ yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [act-km] What is knowledge
Peter and all,
> In one sentence, how do you define "knowledge"?
In view of “it is not the smartest or the strongest species that prevails, but that which is most adaptive”, I have a one word definition for knowledge -- acumen.
And if you wanted “acumen” expanded it is : honing one’s sense-making apparatus [1] that energises [2] one to take the most effective actions [3] of a rainbow [4] of possible actions, in a diverse environment [5]
Notes:-
[1] Why do I highlight sense-making apparatus? I have gone through life from being one who was unwittingly overwhelmed by inferiority complex, as is the case with nearly every non-first world born (and many first-world borns as well), to being through the lessons of serious pain (business partners running off with money about 7 times), reflection on my sense-making framework, researching histories of the Asian and other mental evolution and motivational events (eg Anthony Robbins) into uncovering the root cause of turmoil especially prevalent indecisiveness, neurosis and denial and being puzzled at how impossible it was to make sense of the world. The root cause, I identified and which is increasingly being grasped rapidly by heavy-duty thinkers and quick enough by others who get it contextualised, is the ruptured sense-making framework of Asians, Africans and most indigenous folks.
It is as if Asian minds sit on a substrate of naturalism and are overwhelmed by polarism (ditheism). And the Western mind sits on a substrate of polarism but thanks to science and stronger mother-tongue, thus stronger non-silo cognitive skills, have evolved to naturalism. Net net, the Western mind is more naturalistic that the Asian mind.
It appears to me that science and Eastern religions (eg Zen, Sufi Islam, pre-Vedic Hinduism, Buddhism and even much of Gnostic Christianity and practical Judaism) seem to affirm the naturalism, diversity and patterns of Nature. And that most Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) and Zorastrianism/Vedism as they are mostly currently interpreted (eg Bush’s or Bin Laden’s God Vs Devil”) pushes us to polarism and become blind to the “flowing, spherical, swivelling and wavy” patterns in Nature and human phenomena. And the English language unless understood used by native speakers (which means savvy with nuances, idioms and metaphors which mostly get their essence from Nature examples), provides no choice but polarism.
My essays, “Why Is Common Sense So Uncommon?” and “Ecosystems Thinking For Mind Ecosystems” at http://www.ryze.com/go/bala has put me and nearly every Asian, African or indigenous (and many others too) into much more of snug mental congruence. I am trying to find someone to illustrate the image that is clear in my mind – one that I can describe face-to-face but not in writing too well. An image that explains vividly the impact of the default linear and single-order nature of the English language upon Asian minds as contrasted with a default multi-dimensional multiple-order (i.e. including higher orders) level grasp. Over-oversimplified to give a speck of the image in my mind – default a sphere in motion rather than a still straight line. Default continuums rather than poles.
Dr Arthur Janov’s book, “Primal Therapy: The Cure for Neurosis” has been a very insightful source too in me arriving at this mental congruence level. It provides clinical proof of why most of us, and very much more so Asians, Africans and indigenous, lose the curiousity and fascination we have as children. And what to do about it. The reason: our parents. But don’t blame your parents because they got it from their parents and on and on. And I have approximately tracked it down to when it might have started – in the case of Asia it coincides with the deceleration of advancement in Asia (roughly 1400 AD, the times of Admiral Zheng He, for Asia sans Japan).
[2] I put the word “energises” here in particular to differentiate myself with the large number of academicish folks whose knowledge does not energise them because while they talk about bounded rationality, I have found that it is bounded irrationality. It is as if they pick up some silo knowledge that sits upon a heavy foundation of irrationality but delude themselves (as I did up to some years ago) that they are rational. It is this irrationality that has nearly all in Asian societies, for example to in one breath say “he won’t be a good businessman..he won’t be able to take risks because he went to university” and amazingly take that as the only possible state. Instead of saying “wait a minute here – of how much use is a university if it dulls the risk-taking capacity of a mind? Why does it do that? Can’t we fix it? What is the cost of losing our risk-taking capacity? How many less jobs will be created? How many innovations will be stifled? How many gifted will be suppressed? What is the cost of this in mental health terms? And if mental health is the father of all other health, financial health included, what is the cost of it? And just because estimating it precisely may not be possible, should we let those who dwell in tinkering at the edges instead of focusing on the core rule the agenda and put this issue into the background? Instead of ballparking our way to better and better estimates?
[3] To me knowledge has to be default actionable knowledge – acumen is a better word. I seek knowledge to sharpen my acumen to deal with my self and the world around me.
[4] Rainbow because much of our actions is sub-par because we simply are pre-disposed against imagination, or are not exposed enough to the imaginative to grasp that there are many many more possibilities. A good example, is the whole range of possibilities that is unearthed by getting into the bowels of what “levers” are. Levers – Archimedes: Give me long enough of a lever and a place to stand and I’ll singled handedly lift the Earth. See example at http://www.tamil.net/node/133
[5] “Diverse” because I realise that for heaps more big-picture-to-small-picture cause-effect relationships to be sensed and calibrated, it requires co-cognitive unlike minds to spark it off. Ideally co-cognitive unlike minds or at least unlike minds. Otherwise, there is too much danger of “stagnant ponds” and groupthink. “Diverse” is also needed to overcome the “fish does not know water” or “a man who loses his legs is more aware of steps than one with legs” phenomena. Bottom line: we are not aware of our environment – we are aware of our last environment, when either we or the environment changes. This Marshall McLuhanism has been most insightful for me – it has become a lever for accelerated insentience-piercing.
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview http://www.ryze/com/go/bala
http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com
Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | Apr 29, 2005 10:14 am | | School of Creative Psychology | # | george cheriyan | | Please check the web site www.schoolofcreativepsychology.com
I know few students who were trained by this school and they are doing very well in life after their training by Dr.Prasad Sundararajan.
Since this unique training enhances your core competencies it is no wonder that people change a lot for the better even with a short interaction with Dr.Prasad. Private Reply to george cheriyan | Apr 29, 2005 6:52 pm | | re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Parmeswar Menon | | Truly Bala
We in India seem to wait for innovation to happen .... and then scope and struggle to create ..... solutions...around these innovations........
Cheers !
PVPrivate Reply to Parmeswar Menon | Apr 30, 2005 4:52 am | | re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Nagarajan Vadivel | | Hi all. The discussion on Indian knowledge Economy Brand is timely, particularly so when the Indian Government is flush with World Bank's 300 Million Dollars to be spent on E-governanne that too within a period of three years. Some of the replies to the main post will trigger discussion on further finetuning the scope and sweep of Indian knowledge economy. India as a whole after undergoing the truma of Tsunmi realised that though we are very close to a global village we are yet very far to reach the local villages. When Money poured from outside in no time the same never reached the affected in time. Hence Indian knowledge economy must be designed in such a manner that it will reach the base of the pyramid. Then the question will be how to irrigate information to the broader spectrum of the economy. How to domesticate the enabling technology to suit to the requirement of the people? Indian Knowledge Economy Brand must first address the issues of info poverty to empower the people to adrees the issue of economic poverty.
"There are only three things we can give--education, organisation and discipline." E. F. Schmacher, in the book, Small is Beautiful Are we planning the brand just for the moment, or for long term rebuilding of communities? Innocent and helpless are not helped by mere aid/donations directly. They are helped by caring and self-reliant local communities around them. The efforts to promote the brand can help strengthen the local communities who can share the common community resources to rebuild. As an outsider to those communities, we can help more with our personal energy and less with our money: volunteering, teaching, training for empowerment and economic wealth generation.. I have seen NGOs working with the poorest of the poor, and the best organizations always emphasize empowerment and leadership training. This is because the poorest have the resources to solve their own problems. Often all they lack is the confidence to work together as group.
"Nothing truly valuable arises from ambition or from a mere sense of duty; it stems rather from love and devotion toward men and toward objective things."
Albert Einstein As rightly pointed out here the work needs in addtion to contemplation and conceptual clarification the identification and adoption of right type of knowledge workers and technologies which are simple to use. The enabling technology will help us to recreate the second orality - the recreation of communities in the cyberspace to address and ameliorate the nagging issues of economy which affects millions. How to harness the technology to enable the people to use it as a tool of empowerment to create thousands of micro enterprises in the physical space to improve their living standard. Mr.Bala has opened the importnat issue of twenty first century. We will think, act and work together to make things happen. Prof.V.NagarajanPrivate Reply to Nagarajan Vadivel | Apr 30, 2005 6:09 am | | re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Himanshu Karia | | Bala,
Good to hear from you! Since I switched my job, I have literally been on toes!
While I've always got the understanding of "Why" and "Who" of Mind Colonies, I am still trying to fathom the "What", "When" and "How" of it.
Anita has summarised this in her query "But what all does it involve?" and so also Shrinath "why not make it interesting and less complicated". I endorse both of them.
I guess the KISS maxim, if applied to Mind Colonies, will give a boost to this concept.
Bala, now dont you come up with some jargonised response which this poor mind cannot comprehend!:)
You have tremendous mind energy which others cant catch up easily. So I again repeat - KISS man KISS! :)
fond regards
HimanshuPrivate Reply to Himanshu Karia | Apr 30, 2005 9:05 am | | re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Himanshu (and all),
Good to hear from you! OK -- I hear you. We will have to visualise it to get the meaning across. Just like if I tried to explain the Internet or Ryze in words before the Internet or social networks were around, except for a tiny number of imagination-daring people who thrive on ambiguity, the vast majority won't get it. Understandably so.
Just as an experiment, Himanshu, try to explain the notion underlying "How Can You See Outside The Box When We Can't See Over the Sides" visual on my Ryze page in KISS words.
Approximately, what % comprehension loss would there be, if we used words? Or can it even be conveyed in words?
Check out what Jeff Jarvis, one of the most influential bloggers on emerging media/community has to say about my insights. Maybe that makes it simpler.
See:-
http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2005_04_26.html#009538
Let me know if that resonates.
cheers../bala
p.s. also see innovation beacons in India in this area -- see http://doors8delhi.doorsofperception.com/proceedings.html
They are the type of "make the world happen" (or close to) that we're roadmapping to team up with.Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 02, 2005 9:02 am | | re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shrinath Navghane | | We in India seem to wait for innovation to happen .... and then scope and struggle to create ..... solutions...around these innovations........ Cheers ! PV
> I am wondering how can PV make such a comment or is it your own thinking? If this is so, then what would be call China which is the biggest Xerox machine of the world? Almost 50% of technology innovations in America have a Indian behind them, which means all IIT's go where there is scope for development and appretiation for ideas.
Indian economy thrives on established processes and other than defence we haven't countered more on the development front. My organization, IEC is trying to break this barrier by getting the thinkers to bank on India where the resources are in abundance. We have been communicating with the Home Ministry for grants to such programmes but all in vain, although we keep trying.
So developing the Indian Knowledge Economy "Brand" is a great idea, but still its a long shot. Wishing you all the best Bala.
Regards,
Shrinath Navghane Executive Director Indian Entrepreneur Club www.openbc.com/net/iec
Private Reply to Shrinath Navghane | May 02, 2005 11:54 am | | Whose Agenda? | # | Bala Pillai | | "Never allow a person to tell you 'no' who doesn't have the power to say 'yes'."
- Eleanor Roosevelt, American First Lady, 1884-1962Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 03, 2005 5:50 am | | Mother-Tongue Knowledge Management | # | Bala Pillai | | I am an ardent advocate of Mother-Tongue Knowledge Management as well. I posted below on Project Madurai, Tolkaapiyar and Akandabaratam working groups -- some of the many offshoots or branches of Thamil Inayam (Tamil Internet that I initiated in 1995). They are at:-
http://www.tamil.net/projectmadurai http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pmadurai http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tolkaapiyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akandabaratam
I have made many approaches to other mother-tongue groups, especially Kannada, Malayalam, Hindi, Punjabi and Bengali including several via bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com (http://www.bytesforall.org ) No takers yet. Would love to symbiosis with other "make the world happen" mother tongue folks who are into self-learning to grasp the foundations. So that we can narrow the gap between mother-tongue India and Anglicized India. Takers welcome. I can point you to URLs.
---------------- From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala@tamil.net] Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 2:58 PM To: 'pmadurai@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Project Madurai as a Knowledge Management Tool?
Anpulla Nanbargale,
Who here can be enthused into exploring Project Madurai as a Knowledge Management tool?
Why is this important?
My view: these tomes that our ancestors wrote is the distillation of their life experiences. What they learnt from their successes and failures. They lived these thoughts. They would have thought that putting them down into writing would be a way of passing on the lessons that they learnt in their lives to future generations. They would have intended for those lessons to be lived by us. For that to happen those lessons have to be granularised and contextualised. The lessons have to be woven into the instances and groups of instances that we come across in our day-to-day lives.
If we do so, we will connect the disconnect. I sense we have a disconnect between Tamil philosophy -- > wisdom -- > foresight --- > insight -- > information --- > day to day “data”.
I believe if we use the lessons of our ancestors to “connect the dots” better, there would be greater demand for our the lessons of our ancestors. Instead of mainly those who want to preserve them for posterity and those who are into it for their literary value, we would be honouring the lessons, by having more increasingly attempt applying it to our day to day lives. And in this experiential learning cum “learning through conversations” process live it.
This occurred to me as I just recently wrote for the best Knowledge Management community that I know in the world, ACT-KM. See “What Is Knowledge?” and “Ruptured Intuition” at http://www.tamil.net/node/226
Next steps: (1) Put up your hands. (2) Ask Questions
anpudan../bala Bala Pillai bala@tamil.net.net Founder, Thamil Inayam http://www.tamil.net (since 1995) Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency Enna Ithu Puthu Thamil Inayam? http://www.tamil.net/node/67 paarungal http://www.malaysia.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened. Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 04, 2005 4:40 pm | | re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Toppling the world | | Hey ! Its great to Find Activity on here n so many People wanting to invest their Brains to BuilD Up the Indian Knowledge Economy Brand I would be more than willing to jump Further into this i AGREE with Bala on this, Just as we all have Our questions on How etc.. Think thats the Crux of the matter to STEER & cross beyond critical(black hat) thinking INto Creative /Workable ANSwers n ways to it(green hat thinking..?) Meanwhile, i would also want to add a pinch of Humour & Value into this whole system / (group of people who will inevitably lead to formation of a system) Wonder if all of the interested/keen folks can have a ,meeting online discussing issues F2F (Face to Face) communication ;) ?Private Reply to Toppling the world | May 05, 2005 4:35 am | | re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Pooja (and anybody else)
Please do some research on prospective early adopters for this and list it out here. Those who have the courage to ride ambiguity stallions. The 'those who "get it" that life is ambiguos so why not recognise it and move forward' types.
See "Imagine That A Problem Has Been Solved" at http://www.tamil.net/node/146
cheers../bala Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 06, 2005 2:24 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | From: act-km@yahoogroups.com [mailto:act-km@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bala Pillai Sent: Friday, 6 May 2005 12:09 PM To: act-km@yahoogroups.com Subject: [act-km] Re: What is knowledge?
Dear all,
And here's The Pioneer, a newspaper in India chiming in:-
Cheers../bala
"As for knowledge management, its theorists talk about a continuum that has data at one end and knowledge at the other, with information in between. In fact, this continuum is often illustrated as a mountain with data at the base and knowledge at the top. The whole idea is to show two things: One, in any system data is enormous while knowledge is limited. Two, knowledge is a far more evolutionary form of the same thing of which data is the most elemental. Knowledge Management theory defines data as a piece of fact. When lots of data is distilled, it results in information. When someone takes in information, processes it in his mind, and thereby creates a state in which that person is equipped to take some action, it becomes knowledge"
The Pioneer, New Delhi, India 06 May 2005
Let's begin with self-knowledge
Prodyut Bora
Sometime back, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, while inaugurating the Infosys Leadership Institute at Mysore, announced the establishment of a Knowledge Commission "in the next few weeks" to "exploit the latent potential of our knowledge network and leverage it to make India truly the "knowledge engine" of the world" and thus make the country "the natural choice for all knowledge-based activity."
Shortly thereafter, in his speech to a joint sitting of Parliament before the start of the Budget session, President APJ Abdul Kalam dwelled on the objectives of the proposed Knowledge Commission: "Increasing access to knowledge for public benefit, nurturing knowledge concepts in universities, knowledge creation in science and technology laboratories, promoting application of knowledge in our business and industry and using knowledge to improve service delivery in Government."
The Finance Minister in his Budget speech said, "The National Commission on Farmers has recommended the establishment of Rural Knowledge Centres all over the country using modern information and communication technology (ICT). Their goal is to set up a Knowledge Centre in every village by the 60th anniversary of Independence Day."
While the Government has let out very little information on what exactly would this Knowledge Commission do; and, what would its structure be and other details, I would like to draw the attention of the readers to a couple of more fundamental issues: That of our reading habits and the state of our libraries. The basic question is, without developing the reading habit, without promoting original thinking, can we become a knowledge economy on the strength of networking some universities and laboratories alone?
While it is difficult to estimate the size of the active reading public, statistics on the publishing industry could be a good proxy. But sadly in India even that is hard to come by. Publishing in the country, save for some big guns in the metros, remains by far a cottage industry. Even the Government and its agencies are clueless about how many books are published in the country.
The point here is not to debate about numbers. Even without the use of statistics, it is evident that reading is not a favourable pastime among Indians. And if not for textbooks, curriculum-mandated books and reference titles, the number of books "consumed" by a country of a billion people remain embarrassingly negligible. So who do you blame? The Government, the media, the education system or the public? Well, everybody and nobody.
Does our current school education system aim at instilling love for reading? Do our literature, language, history and social study curricula require an average school student to explore the world of ideas beyond what is stated in the text books and "guide" books? Why blame the school curricula? Even the National Policy on Education does not mention anything on reading (for widening one's knowledge, as opposed to literacy acquisition). Then, take the media. Do we have anything that resembles The Times Literary Supplement or the New York Review of Books? Why was it that a dedicated book review supplement from one of India's highest circulated English language newspapers was allowed to die after just one issue?
Then, most public libraries in the country are poorly resourced - understocked, understaffed, and underskilled. The first problem is their catalogue: Under the pressure of reducing Government-budgetary support, most of them have either stopped requisitioning new titles altogether or do so only intermittently. The second problem is staffing: While the world has moved away from the concept of library as a stockpoint of books to a disseminator of knowledge, where library staff actively helps their members in the process of knowledge retrieval, how many of our staff in our public libraries are skilled enough to assist anyone in the knowledge gathering process?
Lately, the Prime Minister has also expressed a desire to make Shanghai out of Mumbai. The Finance Minister has gone one step ahead and expressed an intent to create seven mega cities, and even provided an outlay of Rs 5500 crore for their development. But what should be our model for development - Shanghai with its Bund, Oriental Pearl Tower, Pudong Business District, Maglev Train; or New York with its New York Public Library, Museum of Modem Art, Central Park and Broadway, in addition to the Manhattan Business District? My point is simple: Urban renewal should go beyond conventional infrastructure to include amenities for people's intellectual development.
As for knowledge management, its theorists talk about a continuum that has data at one end and knowledge at the other, with information in between. In fact, this continuum is often illustrated as a mountain with data at the base and knowledge at the top. The whole idea is to show two things: One, in any system data is enormous while knowledge is limited. Two, knowledge is a far more evolutionary form of the same thing of which data is the most elemental. Knowledge Management theory defines data as a piece of fact. When lots of data is distilled, it results in information. When someone takes in information, processes it in his mind, and thereby creates a state in which that person is equipped to take some action, it becomes knowledge.
While IT can be used effectively for data management, it cannot be applied very well in knowledge management without certain enabling factors. In an organisational context, those enabling factors are: One, a desire on the part of members to learn and two, a desire to share. In the context of a nation, those enabling factors would be a culture that encourages reading, thinking and writing. Many organisations that have initiated knowledge management have failed mainly on one count: They emphasised the technology factor over the human variables.
If we intend to be a knowledge economy, we cannot do it through IT alone. For that, we need to make a larger section of Indians into knowledge practitioners - people that actively engage in the knowledge acquisition, knowledge creation and knowledge dissemination processes. And IT is peripheral to these processes. They require one to go back to the basics: Reading, thinking and writing. © CMYK Multimedia Pvt. Ltd. All Rights Reserved.
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview http://www.ryze.com/go/bala http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com
Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 07, 2005 1:43 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | ----------- From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala@apic.net] Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2005 11:12 AM To: 'bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [bigbangtango] Uncle Stephen!! I may have seen this posted here previously, not certain
Wow Dave, this looks like a nutcracker of a resource especially as I try to crack a few more prospective early adopter minds in India (since I can’t find enough with drive, cognition and availability for it in the US) for Asian Knowledge Economy Brands – see http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=456854&confid=1465
Will go check out the URL. Keep up the sniffing for goodies, Dave! You are one magical scout!
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
________________________________________ From: bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rigngaffer1 Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2005 10:20 AM To: bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com Subject: [bigbangtango] Uncle Stephen!! I may have seen this posted here previously, not certain
CNN had a short piece on this today. In no way am I making a point on this. Sharing only
http://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/index.jsp It is well known that people don't always 'speak their minds', and it is suspected that people don't always 'know their minds'. Understanding such divergences is important to scientific psychology.
This web site presents a method that demonstrates the conscious-unconscious divergences much more convincingly than has been possible with previous methods. This new method is called the Implicit Association Test, or IAT for short.
In addition, this site contains various related information. The value of this information may be greatest if you try at least one test first... http://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 07, 2005 3:26 am | | Good Is The Enemy of Great | # | Bala Pillai | | See http://www.leadershipnow.com/leadershop/2099-6.html
Excerpt:-
Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap... And Others Don't Jim Collins
The Challenge Built to Last, the defining management study of the nineties, showed how great companies triumph over time and how long-term sustained performance can be engineered into the DNA of an enterprise from the very beginning.
But what about the company that is not born with great DNA? How can good companies, mediocre companies, even bad companies achieve enduring greatness?
The Study
For years, this question preyed on the mind of Jim Collins. Are there companies that defy gravity and convert long-term mediocrity or worse into long-term superiority? And if so, what are the universal distinguishing characteristics that cause a company to go from good to great?
The Standards
Using tough benchmarks, Collins and his research team identified a set of elite companies that made the leap to great results and sustained those results for at least fifteen years. How great? After the leap, the good-to-great companies generated cumulative stock returns that beat the general stock market by an average of seven times in fifteen years, better than twice the results delivered by a composite index of the world's greatest companies, including Coca-Cola, Intel, General Electric, and Merck.
The Comparisons
The research team contrasted the good-to-great companies with a carefully selected set of comparison companies that failed to make the leap from good to great. What was different? Why did one set of companies become truly great performers while the other set remained only good?
Over five years, the team analyzed the histories of all twenty-eight companies in the study. After sifting through mountains of data and thousands of pages of interviews, Collins and his crew discovered the key determinants of greatness'why some companies make the leap and others don't.
The Findings
The findings of the Good to Great study will surprise many readers and shed light on virtually every area of management strategy and practice. The findings include:
Level 5 Leaders: The research team was shocked to discover the type of leadership required to achieve greatness. The Hedgehog Concept (Simplicity within the Three Circles): To go from good to great requires transcending the curse of competence.
A Culture of Discipline: When you combine a culture of discipline with an ethic of entrepreneurship, you get the magical alchemy of great results.
Technology Accelerators: Good-to-great companies think differently about the role of technology. The Flywheel and the Doom Loop: Those who launch radical change programs and wrenching restructurings will almost certainly fail to make the leap.
“Some of the key concepts discerned in the study,” comments Jim Collins, "fly in the face of our modern business culture and will, quite frankly, upset some people.”
Perhaps, but who can afford to ignore these findings? Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 07, 2005 12:12 pm | | Co-Producer Etc For Indian Halls Without Walls Movie | # | Bala Pillai | | -----Original Message----- From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala@apic.net] Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2005 9:31 PM To: 'manankatohora@yahoogroups.com' Cc: 'bineetr@gmail.com' Subject: Co-Producer Etc For Indian Halls Without Walls Movie
Dear Manan and everyone,
My friend, Aussiedesi Bineet Ram plugged me onto your emerging online community. How refreshing to get a feel for the joy through the archives. Many thanks!
I am writing to seek an enterprising co-producer, director and script-writer to join me and team in producing a revolutionary Indian movie on Indian Halls Without Walls.
Why is it revolutionary?
India has not produced a single quantum invention in the last 1000 years when before that it together with China was responsible for the majority of them. India does not have the mental soil for quantum inventions or their not-so-quantum invention cousins.
[Quantum Invention = a significant leap in order of problem solving from cave-man days up to now eg taming of fire, domestication of rice, invention of language, wheel, paper, urban structures, gunpowder, printing press, seafaring vessels, steam engines, electricity, cars, computers, Internet etc.]
I have been obsessed with the truth and have found out why. And found out how to leapfrog Indians given today’s possibilities.
For the why, which was first published in the best Knowledge Management community in the world that I know of, ACT-KM, please see “Ruptured Intuition/What Is Knowledge?” at http://www.tamil.net/node/226 -- you’ll sense why spurring imagination to energise more enterprising Indians is a high priority.
For more on Halls Without Walls and the concept of the movie, please see http://www.ryze.com/go/bala
Our objective: Make it much easier for Indians including Indian diaspora, to imagine Indian Halls Without Walls and to imagine the milestones to them
And if you want to see more on the buzz I am creating:-
Here's some emerging buzz from one of the most influential bloggers on emerging media, Jeff Jarvis.
See http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2005_04_26.html#009538
Do check out the links that he mentions. It’ll give you a feel for where my mind is on (a) emerging media business models fundamentals and (b) why in the long run community = media = sense-making and why when they become too unequal there is pressure for the pendulum to swing back.
For discussion on "who are the most influential emerging media bloggers" see the Ryze Bloggers community at http://www.ryze.com/postdisplay.php?confid=135&messageid=1057506
For discussion by Entertainment and Media Deal Makers on this see:- http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=464686&confid=816#1059004
For my current roadmap for Asian Knowledge Economy brands see http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview
For some of the progress in “Building *the* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand” and “Project Destroy: Levered Destruction of Resistance-to-Learning Architectures” see http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?confid=1465&topicid=456854
Suggested next step: Please email or Yahoo IM me – if you don’t have Yahoo IM, it just takes 2 mins off http://messenger.yahoo.com
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Sydney, Australia Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview http://www.ryze.com/go/bala Yahoo IM: bala2pillai Ph: +61 2 9807 8589
http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com (soon) Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 08, 2005 8:34 am | | Mental Toughness Secrets of the World Class | # | Bala Pillai | | http://able2know.com/forums/about33706-0.html
Steve Siebold has noted these 25 differences in thinking between the Middle Class and the World Class:
1. The Middle Class competes . . . the World Class creates. 2. The Middle Class avoids risk . . . the World Class manages risk. 3. The Middle Class lives in delusion . . . the World Class lives in objective reality. 4. The Middle Class loves to be comfortable . . . the World Class is comfortable being uncomfortable. 5. The Middle Class has a lottery mentality . . . the World Class has an abundance mentality. 6. The Middle Class hungers for security . . . the World Class doesn’t believe that security exists. 7. The Middle Class sacrifices growth for safety . . . the World Class sacrifices safety for growth. 8. The Middle Class operates out of fear and scarcity . . . the World Class operates from love and abundance. 9. The Middle Class focuses on having . . . the World Class focuses on being. 10. The Middle Class sees themselves as victims . . . the World Class sees themselves as responsible. 11. The Middle Class slows down . . . the World Class calms down. 12. The Middle Class is frustrated . . . the World Class is grateful. 13. The Middle Class has pipedreams . . . the World Class has vision. 14. The Middle Class is ego-driven . . . the World Class is spirit driven. 15. The Middle Class is problem oriented . . . the World Class is solution oriented. 16. The Middle Class thinks they know enough . . . the World Class is eager to learn. 17. The Middle Class chooses fear . . . the World Class chooses growth. 18. The Middle Class is boastful . . . the World Class is humble. 19. The Middle Class trades time for money . . . the World Class trades ideas for money. 20. The Middle Class denies their intuition . . . the World Class embraces their intuition. 21. The Middle Class seeks riches . . . the World Class seeks wealth. 22. The Middle Class believes their vision only when they see it . . . the World Class knows they will see their vision when they believe it. 23. The Middle Class coaches through logic . . . the World Class coaches through emotion. 24. The Middle Class speaks the language of fear . . . the World Class speaks the language of love. 25. The Middle Class believes problem solving stems from knowledge . . . the World Class believes problem solving stems from will.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 09, 2005 2:38 pm | | Re: What Is Knowledge? | # | Bala Pillai | | “It should not be thought that all this theory is divorced from practical social action. George Lakoff is currently spending most of his time applying his theory to political rhetoric, with the aim of revitalizing the American left.”
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From: minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrius Kulikauskas Sent: Monday, 9 May 2005 8:30 PM To: livingbytruth@yahoogroups.com; minciu_sodas_EN@yahoogroups.com Subject: [minciu_sodas_en] What is knowledge? What is life?
Joseph, Thank you for your profoundly stimulating reply which I share with our English gateway.
I want to add how remarkable it is that we're sharing our thoughts on "knowlege and life". Bala Pillai provoked us with his question "what is knowledge?" Bala grew up in a Malaysian village, lives in Sydney, Australia, and I think of him as the leader of the online Tamil world (see http://www.tamil.net) We first met through George Christian Jeyaraj, a Tamil refugee now established in Lithuania and helping with the OneVillage.biz website, among others. We also met through Ryze social networking http://www.ryze.com I think by way of Shannon Clark in Chicago http://www.jigzaw.com and I joined Ryze because of Peter Kaminski http://www.socialtext.com who I met through Jerry Michalski http://www.sociate.com
Ibrahim Halkano linked this to "what is life?" Ibrahim is in Tanzania and a leader of TAYCO and active in the Global Youth Coalition on HIV/AIDS http://www.youthaidscoalition.org I think he found us through ActALIVE lead by Janet Feldman (Artists responding to the AIDS challenge) who we met through Joy Tang of http://www.onevillage.biz, who I met when Tom Munnecke, http://www.givingspace.org brought me to Imagining Iraq in the Bay Area. I met Tom through the BlueOxen.net collaboratory for collaborative tools, which I learned of through Jerry Michalski, who I learned of through TheBrain Technologies http://www.thebrain.com in our work on tools for organizing thoughts, back in 1999.
That's when I was first trying to make contacts in the United States for our lab's work. My thesis advisor Jeff Remmel of UCSD (University of California at San Diego) set me up so that I could use the computers there, and I stayed with my friend Shuhong Zhu. That's where I met Joseph Goguen, who is a real inspiration as an independent thinker. Among other accomplishments, he's the founder and editor of the Journal of Consciousness Studies. http://www.imprint.co.uk/jcs.html
Joseph, it's great to look inside your mind! I note, as an aside, that at UCSD I also met Gilles Fauconnier who you mention, and whose work on "mental spaces" is, I think, one of the real advances in modern philosophy. He heard me out for an hour about "counterquestions" (such as "How do I know I'm not a robot?" -> "Would it make any difference?") but couldn't see how it might relate to his current interests in "blends". Also, at a Silicon Valley party of Jerry Michalski's I met George Lakoff. I have studied his theories and have expressed his metaphors as "topologies": http://www.openleader.com/index.php/GlossaryOfStructure/TopologiesInMetaphors http://www.openleader.com/index.php/GlossaryOfStructure/Topologies I have found there to be twelve topologies by which our imagination works - instead of thinking of there being "categories" which we place in the imagination, I realized that we may think of the imagination as placing "backdrops", "canvases" upon which we place whatever we're imagining. They do have some resemblance to Kant's categories. I consider them as topologies, that is, as "constraints" on a world (instead of items within a world). I found a structural way to derive them (by way of "mind games") and explain why there are twelve, and link them to a breakdown of Lakoff's metaphors (as well as imagery in the psalms, they ways that King David imagined God). But he was completely uninterested - he thinks that they are the outcome of our physical nature, a by-product of evolution, and that he has solved all these questions - for example "higher is more" because things form piles. Oh, well.
Joseph, all this to say that it's a real treat to get such a letter from you when you find time. And it goes a long way! Thank you, Andrius
Andrius
Andrius Kulikauskas Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt ms@ms.lt +370 (5) 264 5950 Vilnius, Lithuania
Joseph Goguen wrote: > Dear Andrius, Ibraham and Others, > > For quite some time now, ive been passively reading > and enjoying email from your lab, and quietly > congratulating you on your gradually evolving > success. Your post to Ibrahim (and a spell of > relative quiet in my crazy schedule) has stimulated > me into writing to you at last. > > I have often thought that your goal to, "know > everything and apply it usefully" sounded a bit far > fetched, until your post explained what you meant by > "everything" - a concept, not a concrete collection > in the world (so maybe it should be in quotes ('..') > in your goal statement?). Your detailed explanation > makes it clear that your understanding of 'everything' > is actually close to the Buddhist understanding of > *sunyata* (in Sanskrit, often misleadingly translated > as just 'emptiness' or 'nothingness' but also often > explicated as 'fullness' or the 'fullness of emptiness'). > Nagarjuna is the most cited philosopher for this area > of Buddhist thought. > > Buddhists also find the absolute in sunyata, saying that > the world is all relative and non-absolute, but the > emptiness of the world is absolute. There are also a > traditional theory of knowledge and a logic based on > the viewpoint of sunyata, for which one might consult > the book by Stcherbatsky "Buddhist Logic" (this email > is not a good place for such details but Google can > find some interesting links (of variable quality)). > > What i really want to write about is the question that > Ibrahim also wants to address: What is knowledge? > > I should first confess that since i am a professor in > a research university, i need to publish in professional > books and journals, and there are limits to what i can > do in such a context, especially from within a department > of computer science and engineering, which operates > within the Western traditions of science, mathematics, > and engineering, which are very result oriented. This > means that it can be difficult to read my papers, and > very difficult to discern the underlying philosophical > perspectives that motivated them. So one goal of this > email is to explain some of that motivation (this is > also helpful to me). > > My first step in answering the question "What is > knowing?" would be to break it into two parts: "What is > a concept?" and "What is truth?" since true concepts > will be knowledge. > > I would also like to "de-reify" the question, since i > think the processes of knowing are more fundamental > than the results. So we should ask about processes of > conceptualization, and of reasoning, while still noting > that a great deal can be learned from looking at the > reified notions of concept and truth. > > As you say in your analysis of "everything", knowledge > is relative, and hence always uncertain, perhaps even > contradictory; it is also uncertain to varying degrees. > > As noted long ago by Charles Sanders Peirce, the problems > of relativity can be overcome to some extent by making > the truth of what concepts refer to relative to context, > in a very broad sense of context that includes the > "knower" and his/her point of view, background knowledge, > perceptions, etc., as well as what is in the world. > > So now we want to look at concepts and how they refer in > variable contexts, and how we can reason with concepts > in a way that allows the result to truthfully refer, not > forgetting that concepts can of course refer to other > concepts as well as to percepts. > > It does not seem to be as well known as it should be > that there is a great deal of recent research on concepts, > how they refer, and how we reason with them. This work > has been done under labels that include cognitive > linguistics, cognitive semantics, semiotics, and > experimental psychology. > > It is also not very well known that a theory of logics > has recently been developed, that includes a notion of > satisfaction of a sentence by a model that can depend > on context. It also includes as special cases all the > classical logics (first order, modal, higher order, and > so on), and even has generalizations of much of classical > model theory (Craig interpolation, Beth definability, and > so on). Moreover, it has had applications to mainstream > programming languages (C++, Ada, ML) as well as to many > specification languages, to database systems, ontologies > (in the sense of the semantic web), and more, but for the > purpose of this note, especially concepts. (Also the > truth values of the satisfaction relation can be fuzzy.) > This theory is known as the "theory of institutions." > > Id like to review just a little of work in these two > areas, concepts and logics, give some references, and > then some conclusions. > > Eleanor Rosch started the stream of modern research on > concepts, with her pioneering experiments on what today > is often called prototype theory. She showed that humans > do not have concepts in the form that most philosophers, > beginning with Aristitle, thought, as sets of conditions > that are necessary and sufficient. Instead, our concepts > have prototype effects, involving similarity to most > prototypical exemplars, and often other instances related > by metaphorical or analogical extension. (This work is > nicely reviewed in books by Lakoff mentioned below.) > > George Lakoff took the next important steps with this > theory of metaphor, showing that metaphors come in natural > families, which he called image schemas, that relate to > how humans are embodied in the world. A simple example is > "higher is more," a family of metaphors that includes > instances like "His salary is higher than mine" and "My > expectations have risen." See "Women, Fire and Dangerous > Things" and "Philosophy in the Flesh", among other books, > which collectively have been very influential in several > disciplines. > > Fauconnier and Turner enriched Lakoff's work with their > theories of conceptual spaces and conceptual blending. A > good review of this (like the work of Rosch and of Lakoff) > would take a LOT of space, but suffice it to say that they > found that in understanding natural langauge, we draw on > "spaces" of related concepts, where the relations are also > concepts, and we also combine such spaces to form more > complex concepts and spaces, in a process called blending > or conceptual integration. Moreover, they also showed > that metaphor and analogy can be seen as side effects of > blending, and they claimed that blending is a fundamental > cognitive capacity, that distinguishes humans from other > species (e.g., great apes) and gives us our greater mental > abilities. See their popular book "The Way We Think". > > Lakoff (with coauthors) has recently been arguing that much > of human reasoning, even in formal mathematics, is actually > metaphorical. Case law in legal disputes is certainly a > good example, but Lakoff goes much further. > > The conference series "Conceptual Structures" has published > a lot of interesting material; the organizers are oriented > towards work of C.S. Peirce, John Sowa, and Rudolf Wille, > and applications to the semantic web are on the minds of > many contributors. There are papers formalizing Peirce's > triadic semiotic, with its contextualized relational > satisfaction relation, on the information flow formalism > of Barwise & Seligman, on Sowa's lattice of theories, on > Wille's formal concept analysis, and more. > > As far as i can tell, all of this is subsumed by the theory > of institutions, and two recent papers of mine draw out many > of the connections. These are "What is a concept" (written > for the 2005 Conceptual Structures meeting) and "Information > Integration in Institutions" (written for a memorial volume > for Jon Barwise). You can find these papers at > > http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~goguen/pps/iccs05.pdf > > http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~goguen/pps/ifi04.pdf > > More information on institutions can be found here, and much > more in more technical papers listed on the institutions > homepage, at > > http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~goguen/projs/inst.html > > especially the recent paper "What is a logic?" Applications > to databases can be found in the paper "Data, Schema and > Ontology Integration", also linked from the institutions > homepage. > > The time seems to have come when the technology that "we" > (meaning, Western society in general but also Minciu Sodas) > are developing, and the applications that "we" have in > mind for it, requires a more sophisticated understanding > of knowledge, concepts, and logic than has previously been > available. Such an understanding is developing rapidly on > a number of fronts, overthrowing millenia of philosophical > prejudices in favor of results that have an empirical basis > either in laboratory experiments or in working prototype > computer based systems. Database integration, robotics, > the semantic web vision of Berners-Lee, the cognitive > linguistics of Lakoff, Fauconnier, Turner, the multi-logic > specification languages CafeOBJ and CASL (by Futatsugi, and > by a European collective called CoFI), and so on, are all > parts of this. One can also see it in the practice of > contemporary artists (such as Bill Viola) and musicians > (such as Beck), and many many others. > > I have taken on the crazy task of trying to formalize all > this, and also developing some prototype systems that > implement the aspects of the formalizations, such as an > interactive poetry generation system, a blending algorithm, > a database schema matching system, and an algebraic > specification language. Obviously this is just a small > part of a much bigger movement, but i think we can say that > the goal of everyone involved in this large and diffuse area > is to answer the questions raised by Ibrahim and Andrius, > and i think we can say that we are getting answers, though > slowly and often with considerable technical difficulty, > in spite of which, the field as a whole seems to be moving > very fast, at least to those who try to keep up with all > (or a large part) of it. (Unfortunately there is not even > an accepted name for the whole field!) > > I have also been trying to relate my ideas about concepts > and logic to consciousness, and in particular, to qualia, > which i define as segments of perception that are > perceived as wholes (though they may still be seen to have > parts), and i have worked on applications to free jazz > improvisation. For these topics, see > > http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~goguen/projs/qualia.html > > http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~goguen/projs/arts.html > > for more detail, as well as the Journal of Consciousness > Studies. > > Another strand of all this relates to consciousness and to > the ultimate concerns of the Buddhists who created concepts > like sunyata ("mu" in Japanese), which is to fully liberate > the mind. Consciousness studies is another new field that > is currently exploding with new results and new ideas, in > part due to the movements mentioned above, but mainly (i > think) due to new technology for observing the mind at work, > e.g., fMRI and PET scans. It has been shown that advanced > meditators really do have different minds from the rest of us, > and many old myths about memory, perception, emotion, etc. > have been deposed. I think we are coming to understand what > it means to be human much better than ever before, and along > with that, what it means to be alive. So Ibrahim's questions > are really very timely, very deep, and very productive! > > It should not be thought that all this theory is divorced > from practical social action. George Lakoff is currently > spending most of his time applying his theory to political > rhetoric, with the aim of revitalizing the American left. > My classes on user interface design use some of this theory > as website design guidelines, and build websites for local > community service groups; other students are concerned with > racial, ethnic, and gender equality issues, and are engaged > in artistic and web design projects in those areas. > > Finally, id like to apologize for the length, technicality, > and detail of this message; it just seems to me that the > picture is so big that a lot of words are needed to even > begin to sketch it out, and even so, i am afraid that this > note has barely begun that task. > > > > Each letter sent to livingbytruth@yahoogroups.com > enters the PUBLIC DOMAIN whenever it does not state otherwise. http://www.primarilypublicdomain.org/letter/ > Please credit our authors! > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >
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Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 10, 2005 8:50 am | | The Talent Myth | # | Bala Pillai | | The Talent Myth http://www.jarche.com/node/view/338
Submitted by Harold on Mon, 18/10/2004 - 15:47. Performance Improvement
In a recent ChangeThis manifesto, Malcolm Gladwell, author of The Tipping Point, states that "The talent myth assumes that people make organizations smart. More often than not, it's the other way around." He cites Enron and WorldCom has examples of the continuing quest for the best individual talent gone awry; while Southwest Airlines and Wal*Mart are companies with inclusive, and more effective business cultures. This search for individuals with star potential, at the expense of the organisation, is what Gladwell calls the "Talent Myth".
"They were there looking for people who had the talent to think outside the box. It never occurred to them that, if everyone had to think outside the box, maybe it was the box that needed fixing."
To me, this is just another example of businesses grabbing on to the latest management gimmick to solve all of their problems. It also shows how human performance technology would have been a better approach for these companies in managing their workforce. HPT looks at the alignment between the culture and business operations, as well as the role of individuals within the system. As James Hite describes HPT, " ...human performance is placed in context along with other subsystems that constitute the presence of the organization." It's the relationship between individual performers (especially the "stars") and all of the other components that has to be examined and understood. Or as Earl Mardle says, "Effective Executives are not a product that we can make, but an emergent property of correctly functioning organisations."
Gladwell's stories of narcissistic star candidates, many being paid more than they were worth, are interesting to view from a performance analysis perspective. A cursory look would show that this misalignment of rewards and consequences could cause systemic problems. HPT may not be glamorous, but it works.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 11, 2005 1:56 am | | Partners for New Education Method Trial | # | Bala Pillai | | -----Original Message----- From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala@apic.net] Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 10:56 AM To: 'Sangkancil'; 'minciu_sodas_en@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Partners for New Education Method Trial (That Repairs Sense-Making)
Dear all,
I wrote this at the European Problem-Solving/Business Artistry community at http://www.openbc.com/cgi-bin/forum.fpl?op=showarticles&page=1&id=480444#487021 as part of the "Good is the Enemy of Great: Why?" thread.
If you are committed, let's partner on it.
Hey Thilo,
>On 07/05/2005, 8:04 pm, Thilo Mutter wrote: >Hey, Bala, >this is transcendental transmission! I just work on an image film >that is about evolutionary improvement and this is precisely the >story of good to better to great.
More transcendentals must be cooking in my head. When I first read this, my response was like "oh..good".
But through events happening over the days and what must have been lots of criss-cross connections amongst the neurons while I was sleeping last night, and the idea I came up with, it is like "Eureka!".
Question: can you ask your client if they'd be interested in using their and your acumen to prioritise doing this evolutionary film you are doing, and all the thought processes that leds up to them doing so, to evolve it for a lucrative venture for Asia with me?
Right now there is billions of dollars worth of time wasted in Asia because of weak sense-making structures. There is a huge loss in the process of the following learning steps:-
a) me think and essence
b) me write it
c) folks try to understand it and connect the dots with it.
d) This is where billions are lost -- most can't because the comprehension state is an overly confused mix of memetics and rhetoric atop neurosis. See "What Is Knowledge?" at http://www.tamil.net/node/226
e) Next some might understand it but because of servileness, folks are so used to needing very specific instructions before they can act. My experience -- if they went for it and we provided:-
"it is okay to fail -- go ahead -- and we'll provide you environments that enable you to learn from your mistakes. Just like what your mother did when you learnt how to walk as a child -- she didn't ridicule you if you fall down",
environments, we would go heaps further. The cost of the losses will be more than covered (just like in the credit card and insurance business) by the pluses that come from greater comfort, less neurosis, experiential learning and less spectatorishness [1] in society. Right now the "translation" costs of translating an abstract into specific actions is too high and too fraught with mistakes. Folks for example thought that lots of bureaucracy (i.e. many policy manuals etc will solve the problem -- no, this remedy is worse than the malady when the sense-making framework is screwed). That is part of the reason why Asia minus Japan is nowhere near producing the quantum inventions it once produced.
f) And in inventive areas, because of high amounts of inherent anxiety, even if you get down to explaining the details, nine of ten folks don't do it, because of another set of reasons (eg 1) they are under-aware of themselves and 2) they do not value the time it takes for a person to go through this process for anywhere near its worth. And unwittingly, they do not think twice about stealing time and brain in broad daylight. Since many do it, it is treated as okay. The effects of stealing time and brain and the effects of the effects, does not occur to most.)
How do we get this new way going? Let that be between you and me and your client for a while. I know it exactly and I can give you "before" and "after" lifecycle examples.
This will benefit societies other than Asia too. I mention Asia, because this is where I have already invested in many connections. Also Asian parents more so than many other societies are obsessed with spending on childrens' education, so we just need to attach some big names in children's education I know and demonstrate this new visual, sense-making-repair-oriented experiential learning process.
Can?
[1] See "Turning Problems Into Money: How?" at http://www.malaysia.net/node/150 for the huge costs to society of those who have mostly gone through inexperiential-education and who talk too much without experience. The cost of empty vessels in the last 2 categories of "some make the world happen, more watch the world happen and most wonder what happened"
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 11, 2005 12:14 pm | | Sharing Acumen With Young Malaysian Strategists | # | Bala Pillai | | From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala@apic.net] Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 8:17 PM To: 'koampast malaysia'; 'myshinshin@gmail.com'; 'jeq5000@yahoo.com'; 'pacwattan@yahoo.co.uk'; 'fikri_ashman@yahoo.com'; 'haneas@tm.net.my'; 'niknazmi@yahoo.com'; 'imin95@yahoo.com'; 'jasmine0981@yahoo.com'; 'farewell2theking@yahoo.co.uk'; 'qurratun_ainun@yahoo.com'; 'the_redland@yahoo.com'; 'saraa_shahril@yahoo.com' Cc: 'Sangkancil' Subject: RE: Koalisi Maya bagi Pemikiran Strategik (KOAMPAST)
Zukri,
Minta maaf kerana saya jawab dalam Bahasa Inggeris sebab Bahasa Inggeris saya lebih tepat. Tidak dapat cukup peluang untuk mengunakan Bahasa Malaysia saya walaupun suka gunakannya lebih.
This is a super idea and you have my backing.
You ask us to choose an area. My inclination is to be overall because that is my strength and inclination – in synthesising what matters most of what matters in each field and synthesising them because at the end of the day what matters most is “what is the maximum resistance-to-learning we can destroy with the minimum human resources” – put another way, how can we be as much a benevolent Bin Laden as possible. Astute humans organise all other resources.
One of the reasons for this is I find more and more that my mind works more like one of the beings in Nature eg the cross between a tiger and a tree who do not divide the world into “education, economics, youth etc” – I find the divisions more problematic than useful given the weak “connecting-the-dots” faculties. If I were a tree what is the equivalent of education, politics, economics, youth for me? Don’t assume that there are no equivalents – there are! For example, my roots learn by experience how to sniff for and find tidbits of moisture wherever it is. That might be part education (because my roots learn). But they are not as compartmentalised and not as wrought by inexperiential impressions as they are for humans. I often ask myself how our brethren in the jungles of Malaysia and our ancestors who sailed to Madagascar ages ago, did quite well thank you very much without all these compartments of so-called-knowledge that we today call knowledge.
So you could say I’m a meta-strategist. I go beyond the words and terms into the naked notions. And I combine the notions like beings in Nature of the natives in the jungles would and as I do that see the world with quite different lenses than what inexperiential-educated do. These divisions were useful as a ladder to reach a level, but once you reach a high level, these ladders are more a hindrance to connecting the dots than a help. Of much greater use are the divisions memetics, semiotics, rhetoric and reason – the carriers of meaning for humans. And from meaning or lack thereof is born everything else, tangibles and intangibles included.
Memetics = memes are to mind as genes are to body Semiotics = the deeper an issue, the more we get meaning from the cover of the book than the book itself Rhetoric = Advertising, Marketing, “N Wrongs Make a Right etc” Reason = that precious cognitive faculty that differentiates a few humans from most of mankind and the rest of animalkind
Can I suggest that we use emerging Knowledge Economy oasis www.malaysia.net for these purposes?
Will send you my background separately.
Am cc’ing Sangkancil so we get more who might be interested in your tribe, so that it may find the threshold of commitment to take off sooner rather than later.
cheers../bala Bala Pillai bala@apic.net Knowledge Economy Brands-in-the-making (since 1995) Knowledge Management + Social Networks + Citizen Journalism + Complementary Currency See http://www.malaysia.net/bala-interview http://www.malaysia.net http://www.tamil.net http://www.singapore.net http://www.indonesia.net http://www.teleindia.com Some people make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened.
________________________________________ From: koampast malaysia [mailto:koampast@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 9 May 2005 12:09 PM To: myshinshin@gmail.com; jeq5000@yahoo.com; pacwattan@yahoo.co.uk; fikri_ashman@yahoo.com; haneas@tm.net.my; niknazmi@yahoo.com; imin95@yahoo.com; bala@apic.net; jasmine0981@yahoo.com; farewell2theking@yahoo.co.uk; qurratun_ainun@yahoo.com; the_redland@yahoo.com; saraa_shahril@yahoo.com Subject: Koalisi Maya bagi Pemikiran Strategik (KOAMPAST)
Assalamualaikum dan Salam Sejahtera semua, Saya telah mengambil keputusan untuk menubuhkan sebuah virtual think tank yang akan dikenali sebagai Koalisi Maya bagi Pemikiran Strategik (KOAMPAST). Untuk ini, saya ingin menjemput saudara/saudari sebagai sebahagian dari koalisi ini sebagai Fellow Maya bagi bidang-bidang berikut: 1) Fellow Maya bagi Kajian Politik 2) Fellow Maya bagi Kajian Ekonomi 3) Fellow Maya bagi Kajian Sosial 4) Fellow Maya bagi Kajian Budaya 5) Fellow Maya bagi Kajian Pendidikan 6) Fellow Maya bagi Kajian Alam Sekitar Jika saudara/saudari punya cadangan bagi penambahan bidang, sila utarakan. Dalam email balas saudara/saudari, nyatakan juga bidang mana yang menjadi minat saudara/saudari, saudara/saudari boleh menghantar terus tulisan/pandangan/ulasan/idea/gagasan jika ada. Mohon supaya saudara/saudari juga boleh menyediakan serba-sedikit profil peribadi saudara/saudari. Saya faham bahawa sesetengah saudara/saudari tidak mahu identiti saudara/saudari dikenalpasti, untuk itu saya akan mengolah profil itu supaya kelihatan umum dan melindung diri saudara/saudari dari dikenalpasti. Saya harap untuk mendengar sesuatu dari saudara/saudari semua. Tentulah pada masa akan datang kita akan merancang aktiviti-aktiviti yang berbentuk intelectual discourse. "komuniti maya anak muda yang berfikir" Mohd Zukri Aksah Virtual Director, KOAMPAST http://www.workpad.com/koampast koampast@yahoo.com Mobile: 013-951 3280
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 11, 2005 12:30 pm | | re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Dr Manohar C | | Dear Bala: That sounds interesting. I wish to join this initiative. How do we take it forward? ManoharPrivate Reply to Dr Manohar C | May 11, 2005 4:28 pm | | re: Partners for New Education Method Trial | # | Shobha(usha) gowri | | Bala Can? Yes-a big yes and yes bec it has to happen if we need to salvage and build
"This will benefit societies other than Asia too. I mention Asia, because this is where I have already invested in many connections. Also Asian parents more so than many other societies are obsessed with spending on childrens' education, so we just need to attach some big names in children's education I know and demonstrate this new visual, sense-making-repair-oriented experiential learning process" So true...so true and more importantly those resources didnt come cheap or easy
I will provide you the platform-I have fanned out to the small towns and villages of South India-helping them to see themselves better-to think and to have a better understanding of the world they will come into once out of their colleges-I also go to schools bec that is where I believe we can create the next new powerful generation of thinkers and inventors-and by thinkers I dont have philosophers in mind-but the creators...the people who will take risks-face failures but still give their innovative creative minds a chanceToday you could adopt schools if you are interested and /or work with schools in remote/rural why even urban areas like Bangalore- This is what I can provide right away and knowing you these years I know how powerful this is going to be-and you will also meet a lot of like minded people I am in Netherlands in June and am working with groups that will ,through emotional intelligence ,help school kids develop their selves-do you see an integration there?-I would love to hear your views on this I also look forward to
"How do we get this new way going? Let that be between you and me and your client for a while. I know it exactly and I can give you "before" and "after" lifecycle examples"
How? Warm regards Gowri Private Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri | May 12, 2005 12:58 am | | Westerners for Levering Indian Film Talent to Repair Broken "Connecting-the-dots" Facultie | # | Bala Pillai | | I posted this at the Entertainment & Media Dealmakers Network here on Ryze at http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?confid=816&topicid=471420
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Dear all,
I posted an earlier version of this on Sharon Ungrady's guest book at http://www.ryze.com/view.php?who=sungrady There might be others here too who are enthusiastic as we find more energy for my team.
Hi Sharon, saw your post on EMD and went through your Ryze page. I sense we're kindreds and can "same page" lots. And since you've been in Asia (though that's not a requirement) you might be more enthusiastic in joining me in healing Asia's broken "connecting-the-dots" faculties. See the thread "Building the *Indian* Knowledge Economy Brand" in the India Business Club network here at http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=456854&confid=1465 especially the thread titled "Partners for New Education Method Trial" that Usha Gowri has responded to -- the one on using the visual, storytelling and processes communication power of film and the large number of folks in the Indian film/TV industry, to repair broken sense-making frameworks -- see http://www.tamil.net/node/226
To avoid doubt, this is paid work. It is hard enough to get good folks when we pay, leave alone if we don't! Just that to organise getting paid I have to form a credible nucleus.
Key requirement: show the extent to which you can connect-the-dots by at least reading and reflecting upon the URLs I point to and demonstrating how much synthesis you've done! Bonus: you googling and technorati.com-ing my name and getting a feel for some of the many specifics that my essencing expands into.
cheers../bala
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 12, 2005 3:12 am | | Business Models Imagination & Conception: Resources | # | Bala Pillai | | Possible Helpful Resources:
http://digitalenterprise.org/models/models.html (business models)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_model (business models)
http://www.africafocus.org/docs04/ict0402.php (African business models)
http://www.gfusa.org/about_us/ (Grameen Foundation, has a focus on microfinance, ICTs, and innovative thinking)
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 12, 2005 3:27 am | | For Manohar, Usha & Akin -- Next Steps | # | Bala Pillai | | Manohar/Usha and others of similar mental strength,
Yahoo IM me at bala2pillai -- let me sense the level of your commitment, cognition, self-drive and availability.
If you don't have Yahoo IM, it just takes 2 mins off http://messenger.yahoo.com
You might want to do some homework before-hand.
Many thanks!
cheers../balaPrivate Reply to Bala Pillai | May 12, 2005 4:15 am | | re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shobha(usha) gowri | | I love this thread-and the responses Knowing Bala what Himanshu says is going to be a-ha-difficult-and well...for me...ittakes away all the fun of reading Bala-I remember how years ago(?) when I first read Balas mind colony-I said now what hit me-I put it on a word doc and well....re to the power of infinity read it...and it reinforced a lot of my thought processes- so the other way round is to tell Bala that someone will gist what he is saying -KISS it for him maybe?-Bala what sayest thou? For me this is imp bec a lot of people must benefit from this thread of thought -a thought I feel is the only way we can harness people's power of creativity and innovation and develop a nation from mediocrity to greatness Warm regards Gowri-Private Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri | May 12, 2005 6:58 am | | re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shobha(usha) gowri | | "Some make the world happen, more watch the world happen, most wonder what happened. I am looking for "some make the world happen" types"
You must come and see some of these types here-we are into doing-against great odds-and changing and dreaming and thinking laterally and what have you-have we been sucessful?-very -- like the 65 schools in one belt that will receive notebooks-so that the kids can come to school- like the teacher/faculty development programmes where teachers are being trained for a new world- like the schools for which we are pooling resources of books and games and a computer- like the PANDORAS Box prog where we are talking very girls problems-bec in India girls stop coming to school bec they have started mensurating- of doctors willing to give their time and knowledge- of young doctors willing to come and help- to a group of IT guys who with the help of volunteers are running a social integration project-bringing together the "rich schools"and the "poor school "kids to work together like the 72 year old gentleman who has run this org helping women for 32years and now struggling to find funds to do his women's development-environment-ecological workshops along with Bala here is my appeal to a world audience-come be a part of it-more for the joy of being there GowriPrivate Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri | May 12, 2005 8:29 am | | re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Dr Manohar C | | Hi Gowri.. I like the tone of your ideas and expression. A strong will and zeal radiaates from your thoughts. Welcome. My compliments to you. Manohar
from Dr C Manohar, Mcom,MBA,Acs,Phd Director, The CM Academy, Bangalore drcmanohar@yahoo.co.ukPrivate Reply to Dr Manohar C | May 12, 2005 10:59 am | | re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Gowri,
I like your enthusiasm.
For the avoidance of doubt, however, I want to make it very very clear that is this initiative is a FOR PROFIT initiative. In fact for HUGE PROFITs. This is NOT an NGO initiative.
My view on this initiative. Those who don't like money can give make lots with this and give the lots they make away.
Why can we make lots of money? Because we are solving problems that 99% of Indians cannot even perceive [1] let alone solve.
The harder a problem, the greater the reward to those who solve it, the lesser the competition. See "Turning Problems Into Money: How?" at http://www.malaysia.net/node/150 for expansion.
There are many many NGO efforts out there. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
[1] Because of a cloudy, imagination-retarded, blindspots-rich, denial-rich connecting-the-dots-weak, mediocrity-accepting mindset.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 12, 2005 11:41 am | | Blue Ocean Strategy: How to Create Uncontested Market Space and Make Competition Irrelevant | # | Bala Pillai | | Blue Ocean Strategy: How to Create Uncontested Market Space and Make Competition Irrelevant by W. Chan Kim, Renée Mauborgne Harvard Business School/INSEAD
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1591396190/104-0122504-4254326?v=glance
Excerpt:-
Kim and Mauborgne's blue ocean metaphor elegantly summarizes their vision of the kind of expanding, competitor-free markets that innovative companies can navigate. Unlike "red oceans," which are well explored and crowded with competitors, "blue oceans" represent "untapped market space" and the "opportunity for highly profitable growth." The only reason more big companies don't set sail for them, they suggest, is that "the dominant focus of strategy work over the past twenty-five years has been on competition-based red ocean strategies"-i.e., finding new ways to cut costs and grow revenue by taking away market share from the competition. With this groundbreaking book, Kim and Mauborgne-both professors at France's INSEAD, the second largest business school in the world-aim to repair that bias. Using dozens of examples-from Southwest Airlines and the Cirque du Soleil to Curves and Starbucks-they present the tools and frameworks they've developed specifically for the task of analyzing blue oceans. They urge companies to "value innovation" that focuses on "utility, price, and cost positions," to "create and capture new demand" and to "focus on the big picture, not the numbers." And while their heavyweight analytical tools may be of real use only to serious strategy planners, their overall vision will inspire entrepreneurs of all stripes, and most of their ideas are presented in a direct, jargon-free manner. Theirs is not the typical business management book's vague call to action; it is a precise, actionable plan for changing the way companies do business with one resounding piece of advice: swim for open waters.
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Reviewer: Robert Morris (Dallas, Texas) - See all my reviews This is an especially thought-provoking book which, as have so many others, evolved from an article published in the Harvard Business Review. According to Kim and Mauborgne, "[in italics] Blue ocean strategy [end italics] challenges companies to break out of the red ocean of bloody competition by creating uncontested market space that makes the competition irrelevant...This book not only challenges companies but also shows them how to achieve this. We first introduce a set of analytical tools and frameworks that show you how to systematically act on this challenge, and, second, we elaborate the principles that define and separate blue ocean strategy from competition-based strategic thought." There are six principles which are introduced and then discussed on pages 49, 82, 102, 117, 143, and 172, respectively.
Frankly, I was somewhat skeptical that this book could deliver on the promises made in its subtitle. In fact, the material provided by Kim and Mauborgne is essentially worthless unless and until decision-makers in a given organization accept the challenge, are guided and informed by the six principles, and effectively use the tools within appropriate frameworks. The responsibility is theirs, not Kim and Mauborgne's. To assist their efforts, Kim and Mauborgne focus on several exemplary companies which have dominated (if not rendered irrelevant) their competition by penetrating previously neglected market space. They include the Body Shop, Callaway Golf, Cirque du Soleil, Dell, NetJets, the SONY Walkman, Southwest Airlines, Starbucks, the Swatch watch, and Yellow Tail wine.
Of greatest interest to me is Kim and Mauborgne's assertion that the innovations which enabled these companies to succeed with a Blue Ocean strategy did NOT depend upon a new technology. Rather, each company pursued a strategy which enabled it to free itself from industry boundaries. For Dell, that meant mass production of computers sold directly to consumers per each customer's specifications. Quite literally, each sale is "customized." For Callaway, creating an enlarged sweet spot to increase the frequency of solid contact for new or infrequent golfers just as, years ago, the enlarged Head racquet did so for new or infrequent tennis players. For Starbucks, creating a congenial environment within which to socialize, go online, or read while consuming coffee. All of these Blue Ocean strategies created new or much greater value for customers. Their emphasis is on the quality of experience, not on the benefits of a new technology.
According to Kim and Mauborgne, their research indicates that "the strategic move, and not the company or the industry, is the right unit of analysis for explaining the creation of blue oceans and sustained high performance. A strategic move is the set of managerial actions and decisions involved in making a major market-creating business offering." The cornerstone of a Blue Ocean strategy is value innovation which occurs "only when companies align innovation with utility, price, and cost positions. If they fail to anchor innovation with value in this way, technology innovators and market pioneers often lay the eggs that other companies hatch." For Kim and Mauborgne, value innovation is about strategy that embraces the entire system of a company's activities. It requires companies to orient the whole system toward achieving a "leap" in value for both buyers and themselves. Kim and Mauborgne explain HOW to create uncontested market space wherein competition is essentially irrelevant.
To paraphrase Henry Ford, whether decision-makers think they can or think they can't do that, they're right.
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 12, 2005 5:12 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shobha(usha) gowri | | Bala I like it very much-the smell of money-how huge it is I will send you a private mail-ok?- na-jokes apart- I am happy it is ,bec it is also my livelihood-meaning I play a consultant-participant-mentor-facilitator role-so yes I know what you are saying And I am there already because I am an insider-outsider-I am an academician turned entre.... so I know how it is there...and what has to go and what has to come in...and hence my contacts and hence the willingness of people to listen.... gPrivate Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri | May 12, 2005 5:16 pm | | re: re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Shobha(usha) gowri | | Shrinath-isnt that the best part of it all?-that busy people have so much of time to think and act and do so much more-and others who are so apparently busy...... g Private Reply to Shobha(usha) gowri | May 13, 2005 1:37 am | | Is There Room for Spirit in Today's Commerce? | # | Bala Pillai | | To expose yourself more to root causes, click on this thread at the Intuition Network on Ryze at:-
http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=469454&confid=1810
While recalling the words of Gandhi:
The Roots of Violence: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Knowledge without character, Commerce without morality, Science without humanity, Worship without sacrifice, Politics without principles
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 13, 2005 2:09 am | | re: Is There Room for Spirit in Today's Commerce? | # | Bala Pillai | | There very much is. I'd urge us to look at monumental works of against-groupthink efforts by Harvard Business School professors. Click on http://www.thesupporteconomy.com
Excerpt:-
Why Corporations Are Failing Individuals & The Next Episode of Capitalism
“A dazzling blend of business vision, history, social psychology, and economics, The Support Economy starts with a compelling premise: People have changed more than the corporations upon which their well-being depends. In the frustration and rage that now separate individuals from organizations lie the keys to a wholly new economic order. "
"Shoshana Zuboff and James Maxmin are no-nonsense visionaries, offering the most profound social analysis in years— a manifesto for the coming order in business and society at large. THE SUPPORT ECONOMY is a dazzling display of intellect with heart—brilliant, important, and sound. Read it or be left behind in the dust.”
—Daniel Goleman, author of Emotional Intelligence, co-author of Primal Leadership Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 14, 2005 1:13 am | | Solving Information Overload: How? | # | Bala Pillai | | I posted this at the network where the who's who of global tech and sociotech business leaders hang out -- the Alwayson Network at:-
http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=10258_0_5_0_C
Solving Information Overload: How?
Identify and attack the root cause. The root cause is weak "connecting-the-dots" faculties. "Connecting the dots" is also known as one's sense-making framework. Or one's intuition -- that which adds to or subtracts from one's intuition.
How do you get grasp of on a scale of 0 to 100 where you and your stakeholders are? Where 0 = beyond repair and 100 is superb?
Have yourself and your stakeholders to in their own words (i.e. their thoughts must be poured out) answer the question, "What Is Knowledge?"
After you have done so, see my answer to the question at http://www.tamil.net/whatisknowledge
Would love your assistance in refining this thought sculpture. Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 14, 2005 4:22 am | | Poet William Blake on Why Defend the truth | # | Bala Pillai | | "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
: William Blake Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 15, 2005 1:00 pm | | Creativity -- An Emergent Property of "Under-the-skin" Creative Organisations? | # | Bala Pillai | | Are creative organisations an emergent property of "under-the-skin creative" organisations?
By "under-the-skin" I mean those who are nuanced (as contrasted with those who sloganeer)
See 6 Myths of Creativity:-
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/89/creativity.html
Might this too be self-evident common sense, once you are made aware of it?Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 15, 2005 1:44 pm | | Honesty: The Power of NO | # | Bala Pillai | | ---------------------------------------------------- ** ARTICLE: The Power of Saying "No" - By Linda D. Tillman, Ph.D. ** ----------------------------------------------------
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = "No" is such a simple word.... = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = only two letters. Yet saying "No" out loud is harder for most people than saying, "I'll be glad to..." (eleven letters) or "When do you need me to..." (seventeen letters)
Most of us said, "No!" quite well when we were two. After all, it's the two-year-old's job to say "No." The authority figures in our lives at the time, our parents, expect us to say "No." And it is because of "No" that the year is known as the Terrible Two's.
Many of us grow up to be people pleasers. The word "No" drops out of our vocabulary, and we substitute lots of ways to be agreeable and keep the other person happy. Saying "No" to the authority figures is not expected.
And underneath it all we believe that saying "No" can cost us a lot in our adult life.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The unassertive "No" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = is accompanied by weak excuses and rationalizations. If you lack confidence when you say "No" you may think that you need to support your "No" with lots of reasons to convince the other person that you mean it.
You might even make up an excuse to support your "No." This can backfire if the lie is exposed and again, you will sound ineffective because you need to have an excuse to support your stand.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The aggressive "No" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = is done with contempt. "Are you kidding? Me, get your mail while you're out of town?"
Sometimes the aggressive "No" includes an attack on the person making the request. "You must be crazy. I couldn't take on a project that unimportant."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The assertive "No" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = is simple and direct. "No, I won't be able to help with that." If you would like to offer an explanation, make it short and simple. "No, I won't be able to help with that. I've already made a commitment for Friday afternoon."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Strategies to make the assertive "No" easier = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 1. When someone makes a request, it is always OK to *ASK FOR TIME TO THINK IT OVER*. In thinking it over, remind yourself that the decision is entirely up to you.
2. Use your nonverbal assertiveness to underline the "No." Make sure that your voice is firm and direct. Look into the person's eyes as you say, "No." Shake your head "No," as you say, "No."
3. Remember that "No," is an honorable response. If you decide that "No" is the answer that you prefer to give, then it is authentic and honest for you to say, "No."
4. If you say, "Yes," when you want to say, "No," you will feel resentful throughout whatever you agreed to do. This costs you energy and discomfort and is not necessary if you just say, "No" when you need to.
5. If you are saying, "No," to someone whom you would help under different circumstances, use an empathic response to ease the rejection. For example, to your friend who needs you to keep her child while she goes to the doctor, you might say, "No, Susie, I can't keep Billie for you. I know it must be hard for you to find someone at that time of day, but I have already made lunch plans and I won't be able to help you.
6. Start your sentence with the word, "No." It's easier to keep the commitment to say, "No," if it's the first word out of your mouth.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Practicing for the World Series = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Let's look at some daily ways you can practice saying, "No," so that it comes more naturally to you. Paulette Dale in her book, 'Did You Say Something, Susan?' suggests some simple ways to practice saying, "No."
Here are some of her suggestions:
Say "No," to the clerk who wants to write your phone number down when you return something to the store; to the telemarketer who disturbs your dinner; to the perfume demonstrator at the department store; to your friend's pets when they jump on you; to the secretary who answers the phone and asks if you mind if she puts you on hold.
Make it a project to say, "No," to something every day.
When you do, notice it and give yourself credit for practicing saying such an important two letter word.
About the Author: Linda D. Tillman, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist and coach, working with people to speak up for themselves in life and work. You can find her web site at www.speakupforyourself.com. Her email address is: linda@speakupforyourself.com Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 16, 2005 3:00 am | | Quotable Quotes | # | Bala Pillai | | "You are judged by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold, but then so does a hard boiled egg" - a very wise friend
"The only devils in the world are those running in our own hearts. That is where the battle should be fought" - Mahatma Gandhi
"The level of thinking that got you to where you are now will not get you to where you dream of being" - Albert Einstein
"There is a giant asleep within everyone. When that giant awakens, miracles happen." - Frederick Faust
and my all time favourite
"We fear our highest possibilities....We are generally afraid to become that which we can glimpse in our most perfect moments, under the most perfect conditions, under times of great courage. We enjoy and even thrill in the possibilities we see in ourselves in such peak moments and yet we simultaneously shiver with weakness, awe, and fear before these very same possibilities." - Abraham Maslow
Thanks to Kavita Parwani at http://www.ryze.com/view.php?who=kavs475
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 16, 2005 5:40 am | | re: Quotable Quotes | # | Robin Alter | | Some others
"I would rather be ashes than dust. I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist." Jack London
"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."William BlakePrivate Reply to Robin Alter | May 16, 2005 7:31 am | | Hotmail Funder: The Next 20 Years Will be Equivalent to Entire 20th Century | # | Bala Pillai | | Article by Hotmail Seed Funder, Steve Jurvetson
The next 20 years of technological progress will be equivalent to the entire 20th century
Accelerating Change and Societal Shock
http://jurvetson.blogspot.com/
Despite a natural human tendency to presume linearity, accelerating change from positive feedback is a common pattern in technology and evolution. We are now crossing a threshold where the pace of disruptive shifts is no longer inter-generational and begins to have a meaningful impact over the span of careers and eventually product cycles.
The history of technology is one of disruption and exponential growth, epitomized in Moore’s law, and generalized to many basic technological capabilities that are compounding independently from the economy.
For example, for the past 40 years in the semiconductor industry, Moore’s Law has not wavered in the face of dramatic economic cycles. Ray Kurzweil’s abstraction of Moore’s Law (from transistor-centricity to computational capability and storage capacity) shows an uninterrupted exponential curve for over 100 years, again without perturbation during the Great Depression or the World Wars. Similar exponentials can be seen in Internet connectivity, medical imaging resolution, genes mapped and solved 3D protein structures. In each case, the level of analysis is not products or companies, but basic technological capabilities.
In his forthcoming book, Kurzweil summarizes the exponentiation of our technological capabilities, and our evolution, with the near-term shorthand: *the next 20 years of technological progress will be equivalent to the entire 20th century*.
For most of us, who do not recall what life was like one hundred years ago, the metaphor is a bit abstract. So I did a little research. *In 1900, in the U.S., there were only 144 miles of paved road, and most Americans (94%+) were born at home, without a telephone, and never graduated high school. Most (86%+) did not have a bathtub at home or reliable access to electricity. Consider how much technology-driven change has compounded over the past century, and consider that an equivalent amount of progress will occur in one human generation, by 2020.* It boggles the mind, until one dwells on genetics, nanotechnology, and their intersection.
Exponential progress perpetually pierces the linear presumptions of our intuition. “Future Shock” is no longer on an inter-generational time-scale. How will society absorb an accelerating pace of externalized change? What does it mean for our education systems, career paths, and forecast horizons?
Private Reply to Bala Pillai | May 17, 2005 1:35 pm | | re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Leo Fernandes | | Hi Bala,
You have always come with the most original of ideas but am very interested in looking at what kind of response this particular one gets. I suspect that this initiative will require individuals to share the information and knowledge they have for a greater cause. Will there be remuneration involved? I am asking because I too asked for articles for DIVE and there has been a very limited response [thanks to which the initiative is still afloat]. Perhaps the limited response was because the efforts were not being rewarded monetarily? I am just wondering aloud...
Regards,
Leo Private Reply to Leo Fernandes | May 18, 2005 5:47 am | | re: re: Building *The* Indian Knowledge Economy Brand | # | Bala Pillai | | Hi Leo,
Thanks for engaging. First of all, this project is happening thanks to energy from overseas. Serious response here will accelerate it. But to your secondary question -- my view: first we have to ask what is a reasonable response to expect.
And what is the basis of this expectation? For example, all else being equal, the more old, tried and tested, the greater the comprehension, the less the objection, the more the responses.
Conversely, the newer, the less references there are to imagine off, the lesser the comprehension, the greater the objections, the less the responses.
We then have to ask whether this phase in the lifecycle from pre-conception of an idea (parallel to someone courting prior to sex) to full-grown service (parallel to someone who has made it in life), can be avoided or if it is an integral part of the life-cycle, a part of the awareness raising/learning-through-exposure process.
So given a more perceptiveness-rich and reasoned stance, what would your expectations be?
There is money in this. Those who have the acumen to be early adopters, will know that one of the biggest job of a co-owner is articulating and deciding upon the quid pro quo. Between us, we will determine who owns what -- there are lots of network-centric ownership model options, and we can choose one of from.
cheers../balaPrivate Reply to Bala Pillai | May 19, 2005 5:40 am | | Load-Sharing Efforts: Indonesia.Net, Teleworkers & Blended-Media Apprenticeships | # | Bala Pillai | |
From: Bala Pillai [mailto:bala@apic.net]
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2005 3:08 PM
To: 'malaysiaindians@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Teleworkers & Blended-Media
Training Biz in Indonesia
via Indonesia.Net: Partners Wanted
Dear
all,
I’m
looking for an entrepreneurial partner from Malaysia Indians, to attend this
meeting on behalf of you/us (see http://www.indonesia.net
).
Objective:
Find an Indonesian Knowledge Economy partner who partners us in apprenticing
folks for jobs of the current and future. Benefit to them: we are doing this
for Malaysians, Tamils, India
and Singapore
so 1) have a R&D lead and 2) can share development costs with other
countries, which Indonesians can benefit from.
Cheers../bala
bala@apic.net
From: MAICCI
[mailto:info@maicci.org.my]
Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2005 2:35 PM
To: Bala Pillai
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Dear Sir/Madam
MAICCI wish to inform that Dewan Perniagaan Melayu Malaysia
(DPMM) together with Indonesia-Malaysia Business Council (IMBC) is organizing
a forum called “FORUM PERNIAGAAN INDONESIA-MALAYSIA” on 9th to 10th
Jun 2005 at Dewan Tun Hussein Onn,
Pusat Perniagaan Dunia Putra, Kuala Lumpur.
The objective of this Business Forum is to open up the business opportunity
and the market to all the EKS businessman in Malaysia or within Asia Pacific to invest in Indonesia.
The organizer has estimated that about 300 businessman will attend this two
days forum.
The admission is free and kindly contact En. Fazil
Bin Bahari at 03 4041 8522/ 7664 for further
information.
Thank you.
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