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Chennai Network Previous Topic | Next Topic | Topics The Chennai Network Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts Hindi nahin maloom Views: 1216 Mar 09, 2009 11:11 am Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G Living in the US for 20 plus years, i used to wonder why americans made a big thing about Indians from India in far away call centers answering their phones. After all i thought, having grown up in Southern India and in TN, everyone i knew and spoke english(yes even the green grocer at the local corner knew a few words of what we called butler English), allowing kids to grow up not just not knowing Hindi but also skipping learning tamil(the trick was that TN had a 2 language formula so if you decided not to pick Tamil as a second language you could pick sanskrit and sanskrit exams were full of memorized conjugations and declensions and then of course the translations). So we led all our lives blissfully not knowing anything other than English. What i did not tell you was that i had not crossed Basin Bridge junction(the stop immediately before Madras Central) before i decided to leave for US to study and live there. I would tell my friends that everyone in India(I should have said the India i knew) knew some english and anyone in a customer facing job with a degree could speak as fluently as the next person. A return to India and a few visits away from Basin Bridge challenged that a bit, i presumed of course that i was wandering into the wrong lanes. This until i decided to buy a sattelite dish from Z(dishtv). Dish has customer service numbers for all parts of india, but regardless of how you dial you land in some hindi only speaking part of the nation. They do give you an option of dialing 1 for english and 1 i did dial. Ha ji kya karna hai...the voice replied, I said can you speak english please i cant understand hindi beyond a point. No problem sirji you explain problem to me. I go through 15 minutes of detailed explanation at the end of which i was speaking english like my friend sirji. I kept asking him do you understand english(my next door lady is a hindi teacher called for all such emergencies) he kept replying yes and so like the blind leading the blind we kept trying out the things i think he asked me to try because the language he was speaking was neither english nor hindi. Then the part came where i had to give him my address. OK lets put it this way, my address when spelt is picked up by an american operator. I finally said Chennai and he asked me if it was a locality and i said not its a city and i spelt it out for him. Then i gave him my pincode slowly one number after the other after listening to it he said sirji can u please give me your pincode and i did again. I know hindi but i swear i can speak but i cannot understand replies very well. So i dont open myself to transactions in hindi because i cannot explain what is happening. I just realized that a big populous part of India is not English speaking and to live beyond the south i better know tne rashtra basha or i sink. Better still buy products that are local so i can get decent customer support in languages i can understand. Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 09, 2009 11:51 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar I can hear BG coolly giving a look which says in as much as "I TOLD YOU NA?? Mohan..that brief (was it brief for you?) interlude with the Z (dish TV) network was great.. If I had been in your place, I would have replied in chaste Tamil ( Nandri Vanakkam, vadakai Oorthi type)... Still since the dish TV has to be set right, you were at the mercy of customer service personnel (Sirji) I understand.. Now I remember my friend (not verry conversant with Hindi) who used to go to Mumbai Malad Market for buying vegetables and most of the vendors would address him a 'Kaaka! kya chahiye" and (Kaaka in hindi means Uncle and our Hero did not knew it and took it as tamil kaaka meaning crow and being Vadivelu colour) he got angry and told him 'Poda Kuruvi' Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 09, 2009 12:30 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan Mr.Mohan I had a very brief stay of 6 months in Pune. I had a terrific time in answering my Dish TV customer support. Another worst experience I had was with Idea Customer Support. Where the same thing happened? I just wanted to change the plan which I was not able to do till I left Pune back to Chennai. As you said select for English and when I select it, this girl talks to me in same Marathi and when I ask for some English speaking person, she puts me on hold and this happened for the whole of 6 months. With Dish TV once they changes some code and so my line went blank. And this I was able to resolve only after lot of shouting and with a help of my marathi friend. One more information, you can very well study only English and French as languages and thus avoid Tamil totally. So fully a foreigner. Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 09, 2009 12:59 pm re: Hindi nahin maloom # Nagarajan Vadivel You are better than me. You chose to remain in Chennai and dare not to cross Basin Bridge. I had to go and work in Delhi in 1970 without knowing a single word of Hindi. I still remember the waiter in the India International Center talking to me in Hindi and when I told him I do not know Hindi then he asked me whether I know English. Due to my work i traveled very frequently and even after 39 years even today i do not know even a single word of Hindi. If any one speaks to me in Hindi I resigned to the point that he is not interested in communicating to me. Yes since in India (may be the only country) 100% of the graduates know English (of questionable standard) one may manage, unless the other person prefer to talk to you in a language you cannot understand. For six years I attended Board meetings regularly in Varanasi (best Hindi by any standard) and for the past four years I go to Kolkatta (most of the deliberations will be in Bengali) Only Tamils are exceptional. At the cost of their own language they prefer English without realizing that English is spoken by only 3% of the population. The largest English speaking population lives in china and I had the experience that most of the Chinese mug 100 English words to converse with English knowing people. I have traveled to seventeen countries and I noticed that the local language is the main mode of communication. My experience is that if you cannot know the local language whether Hindi, Bengali you will be disadvantaged. Of course if you are a business person (last month I met a person from Argentina) you can engage an interpreter or a friend to translate. I do not vouch that if you know Hindi you will be able to manage outside your own state without any difficulty. Nagarajan Private Reply to Nagarajan Vadivel Mar 09, 2009 2:02 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G i think its practical to learn hindi....however i dont know how one gets proficiency in any language. I struggle even with tamil sometimes..... Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 09, 2009 5:24 pm re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Ganesh Ram Before anyone starts punching around. I would like to add, NO THIS IS NOT A HINDI BASHING THREAD rather it is an inconvenience of call centers in a multilingual India. I was once told by a supervisor that being an Indian I should know Hindi(spoken), which I don't. I can read, write, understand but cannot speak Hindi. Private Reply to Ganesh Ram Mar 09, 2009 6:38 pm re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan //i think its practical to learn hindi I want to accept and go with Mr.Mohan on this. No way we have to learn atleast Hindi apart from English and Tamil. A Telegu guy from TamilNadu normally knows atleast 4 language 1. Telugu because speaks it at home 2. Tamil because he converses in that with his neighbours 3. Hindi because he takes Hindi as his second language 4. English as learns it in school and college. The same with most other state people who come into Tamil Nadu but we tamilians settle with two language Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 09, 2009 10:19 pm re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Ganesh Ram I really do not know why it should be practical to know hindi. I understand that if I am going to be working in a land where only hindi is spoken at business then it is a necessity. If I am in a land where my day to day shopping\ conversing with my neighbor is to be in hindi then it is practical to learn. But to converse to a call center just because the business found a inexpensive viable source to maintain its call center, I would disagree. The expansion of any business should cater to the needs of its consumer. In the case of dish network it has to put a call center in all places where there are non-hindi speaking people. IF not it should employ, multi lingual staff and the call center software should route to the correct person based on the incoming phone number. Software techies right time to create a call center software that would do this. Will sell in India, Europe easily. A billion dollar venture? might be. Private Reply to Ganesh Ram Mar 09, 2009 11:59 pm re: Hindi nahin maloom # T P Rajmanohar Barring Tamil Nadu people in most states understand Hindi Private Reply to T P Rajmanohar Mar 10, 2009 1:05 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # SOEB FATEHI if i say, "Hum aapko bahut paise dene aaye hain . . " i am sure even in Tamil Nadu i shall be understood very well . . . . Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI Mar 10, 2009 1:08 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban RM I agree,except Tamilnadu all other states are able to handle Hindi.But as a multi religious/lingual country it is essential that the supporting staff at call centre learn/ know the local lingo.If dish Tv finds it cheaper to employ only Hindi speaking people then they are not customer friendly so consequently going to lose customer support/preference in many places like Tamilnadu.I for one dislike this kind of unfriendly attitude towards customers.Had I been employed in Hindi speaking area I would have loved to learn the same and all languages if spoken to their people will sound like music to their ears.So first of all a sales person or a support staff speaks essentially in local tongue to build instant rapport,so correct me if I am wrong in my perception. Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 10, 2009 1:14 am re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # T P Rajmanohar I agree. If people in Tamil Nadu learn to atleast speak broken Hindi their job prospects outside Tamin Nadu will be very good. Private Reply to T P Rajmanohar Mar 10, 2009 1:27 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban SF,I can speak a little Kannada,Telugu,Malayalam,Hindi ofcourse, Tamil and English .But forcing people to learn hindi by adopting a very rigid stance is counter productive as I mentioned earlier each language has evolved into a beautiful/melodious one after being spoken for many years,so they do not need any hard selling.I normally tease people by speaking to people of different language in their mother tongue despite bad diction/pronunciation it is normally draws a ready smile.We don't need any politician to teach us national integrity or appreciation of language as people by nature are good in receiving /showing goodwill. Wht du say ?!!!!!!!!! Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 10, 2009 6:15 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Mohan, it is really strange that you can speak Hindi but not understand when spoken to. Usually people (like GR) understand a language first but are not still confident enough to speak. It is a myth that everybody in TN can speak English, and it is working pretty well for me. Most tele marketing people in Chennai can not speak English and whenever they call and start off in Tamil, I just have to tell them that I do not understand Tamil, and the call is disconnected! :) Finally, yes, as I had argued at length previously, it will be advantageous for the Tamilians to learn Hindi. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 10, 2009 6:19 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan //Most tele marketing people in Chennai can not speak English and whenever they call and start off in Tamil, I just have to tell them that I do not understand Tamil, and the call is disconnected! :) Just to ignite a controversy this is put forth here when there is no truth behind this. The case with Dish TV and Idea mobiles is even after selecting the service language as English we end up with Hindi speaking people. Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 10, 2009 6:42 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # T P Rajmanohar I agree with you even the shopkeeper in Chennai often speaks to me in Hindi. In Bangalore and Hyderabad also I am able to get along speaking Hindi. Private Reply to T P Rajmanohar Mar 10, 2009 6:52 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan And for everyone's kind information, most of the domestic call centres are located either at B'lore or at Mumbai and so I dont know how they speak Tamil unless you select the language as Tamil. If you want to call the customer care of Saravana Stores, may be the person will be speaking in Tamil.......... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 10, 2009 7:14 am re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar We, Indians working in the call centres learn to use the American accented English while replying to their queries then why can't the Dish TV customer service personnels learn either the local language or atleast English? Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 10, 2009 7:25 am re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Nagarajan Vadivel If you have an opportunity to visit a call center catering to Indian customers you will see the condition underwhich they work. You may also know that the people working there are paid meagre salary. There is a heavy attrition rate. Only 20% of the staff will pass the minimum quality standard. Nagarajan Private Reply to Nagarajan Vadivel Mar 10, 2009 7:33 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban English is spoken more widely in tamilnadu and ofcourse by telemarketing people .So far I have not come across any people from telemarketing who cannot speak english.On the contrary english speaking is considered as educated even for illeterate who try to speak gamely(eg.porters at railway station who speak many languages including english) .My intention is not to rake up any contraversy and be in tune with reality.So in conclusion it is better to use english as a link language even if you are not very fluent in it. Please add more Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 10, 2009 7:41 am re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # T P Rajmanohar Many call centres (HSBC and Tata AIG) regularly speak to me in Hindi. However in case you do not know Hindi they may get someone in English to spek to you Private Reply to T P Rajmanohar Mar 10, 2009 7:51 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh If facts start controversy, I can't help. I wonder which Dish TV Mohan was speaking about. I have Tata Sky and their customer service is in Bangalore and they speak fluent english (fluent enough to be understood), though sometimes they pretend not to understand you, specially if you have a legitimate complaint against their service. They have a technical service centre in Chennai, for installation and hardware related complaints. If you call that number, you are greeted with 'Sollam Sir'. Then you have to plough on, till someone speaking english takes over at the other end. I was under the impression that DISH TV was a south based company, so it is a surprise to hear that their customer service speaks Hindi only. Most Delhi / Gurgaon based customer service centres have people who speak english, sometimes in a Punjabi / Haryanvi accent (which can be difficult to understand for the uninitiated). Sify has a customer service centre in Chennai, and the English there is in typical South Indian accent. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 10, 2009 7:54 am re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan Does accent matters when you can understand the english. Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 10, 2009 8:32 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh It does, if you don't. E.g. when someone pronounces 'access' as 'assess' (typical Punjabi / Haryanvi english), you are left wondering what he really means! Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 10, 2009 9:17 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan I hope its better to hear assess atleast than to hear "kaun" "kya" when I dont know anything in Hindi.... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 10, 2009 10:08 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Ganesh Ram Accent does matter. Believe me, I am pounded by my son when I say Ahbraham Lincoln instead of ehbraham lincoln. Pronounciation was a big problem in Singapore as well. I had a friend who will say lock out of your computer when it is log off. Not only that, When I was visiting US for the first time and was about to catch a train to travel, I went to the supervisor and asked him, "hello sir, where should I ALIGHT for museum of science?". The supervisor was quizzically looking at me. Then I remembered that ALIGHT is not a US english word. So I said, "Where should I GET DOWN?", the supervisor was more quizzical. And then I came back to my uncle's place and was telling my adventure and you should have seen my cousins ROTFL. THen I was told that it it GET OFF the train and not get DOWN. I totally agree with BG in saying I am complexed to speak a known language(R,W,U). I also agree with Padmanabhan when he says , one cannot be forced to speak a language. And that is why I do not see it practical to sit in TNAdu and say one should coverse in hindi if you talk business to a non TNadu state in India. Private Reply to Ganesh Ram Mar 10, 2009 10:38 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G Basab, my ex boss who was a bengali had the same problem as me he could speak hindi but when replied to he would struggle to follow. That is because both of us learnt words in the language but what is spoken is complex. Its like knowing a 100 words and using with connectives over and over again. In the case of my ex boss it was even worse he picked those 100 words because they are common with Bengali he never apparently had to learn hindi(His family was from Bangladesh...he is hindu). I am explaining this to you coz you are also a native non hindi speaker. In TN all tech support ppl even at vivek and co speak english. The telemarketing folks maybe not(they probably speak but dont have fluency). In North India the front desk of a 3 star hotel does not speak English that is the difference Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 10, 2009 10:41 am re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G Dish TV is owned by Z Network that beleives even its 044 numbers have to go to hindiland.... Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 10, 2009 10:44 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan Some 5 years back I called to one of the universities in Punjab which had given a national advertisement in a English daily to ask about a distance education course which they had advertised, but in vain for no one at that office could answer my query in english........... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 10, 2009 11:01 am re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban This thread is not meant for Hindi bashing!? We need a link language for communication like hinglish,Thanglish,Punglish,Marwarilish,etc,etc,which makes life more meaningful to understand each other!!!!!!!!! wht do u say? Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 10, 2009 11:08 am re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan Thanglish is already very much in existence. But when u go North you cant even find a single word in English so that we can connect the words and understand what they speak. Yes we do understand that we should learn atleast Hindi to go around certain places. But will other learn Tamil when they want to come to Tamil Nadu.... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 10, 2009 11:25 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban We need to popularise thanglish,Telengish ,Hinglish,Punjablish,etc,etc, for our own convenience when English can borrow most of the words from other languages.There is no need to push Hindi from all sides as a national language as people themselves are learning it more by default to watch Hindi movies which have lot of originalities borrowed from hollywood!!!!!!!!! Lot of hindi movie fans are going bowl beamers at me for this !!!!!!!! Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 10, 2009 12:53 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Mohan, to speak, it is not enough to know the words, you need to know how to string them together into sentences. Once you have been able to do that, it is easy to understand what others are saying in the same language, if spoken slowly. Bengalis are possibly the second worst learners of Hindi. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 10, 2009 6:28 pm re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G Basab, Hindi Nahin Maloom are 3 words i have strung them together and like monkeys typing shakespeare it has become something that makes sense. I can give you more examples to prove. Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 10, 2009 6:33 pm re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Bengalis learn and understand Hindi.. But the Hindi they speak never sounds like Hindi.. Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 10, 2009 6:46 pm re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep Just butting my neck out - Language is for communication... Literature is for the puritan... (Not many of us are - Let us admit :-|) Personally, I'd love to learn more languages that I can communicate in (incl. Sign Language)... however - To appreciate any language and it's nuances of Literature - It is too much to ask of lay person to oblige... I am sure we all are capable of deciphering if / when someone is abusing us in his / her language... and are up to task 10 times in retort! It is a FACT that many in India can converse / write better than many 'Native' English speakers - but then we are multi-lingual - whereas the 'English' can well speak 'only' English!!! Long live the Queen! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 10, 2009 8:29 pm re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Ganesh Ram It is all in the thought process is MHO. If we speak a translated version of any language, for example I speak English by forming the words in the mother tongue/vernacular and then translate while speaking, I seldom communicate. What is good sentence formation in one language is not in the other. Private Reply to Ganesh Ram Mar 11, 2009 5:13 am Hindi nahin maloom # SOEB FATEHI . . . . distribute free dvds of tamil movies with bhojpuri subtitles at all railway station platforms in north . . . . in exchange distribute other language movie dvds with tamil subtitles in the south . . . . organize exchange programs for students under gram yuva sanskrutik vikas yojana to tour states other than their own in the vacation and remember to avail of the subsidies in the process! Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI Mar 11, 2009 5:23 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh "gram yuva sanskrutik vikas yojana...." Half here do not understand the meaning of these words, that is the hurdle Soeb. Mohan, 'Hindi nahi maloom', is like my saying 'Tamil illya' but I'd be dishonest if I say I can speak Tamil. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 11, 2009 5:27 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G Lavanya ur wrong. Actually i know half a dozen bengalis who do not speak hindi. they understand it coz of common words. same case as us except we dont have common words. There is this famous Annadurai speech in parliment where he was fighting Bhupesh Gupta CPI i think and Bhupesh Gupta kept insisting that hindi should be the national language and Anna asked him if he knew hindi. Bhupesh says i can understand but i did not have time to learn it. Then Anna takes off saying u can read marx and lenin and economic theories but u dont have time to understand the language that you advocate....(Anna had done his homework....) Until the DMK came to power TN had a 3 language formula where everyone learnt some hindi. My dad knows a spattering and oldies in my street seem to know it too. Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 11, 2009 5:28 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # SOEB FATEHI Basab the operative word to understand is "subsidies" . . . . Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI Mar 11, 2009 5:43 am re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # John Gancis By this thread i am reminded of me going to Mumbai for the first time- in 99. I landed there knowing not a single word in Hindi and was robbed of all the money i had with me within one hour of reaching Mumbai. Guys there knew little english, i knew no Hindi nor Marathi and Police who were disputing with me on the location of the robbery all gave me a hell of time. I was left with Just 27 Bugs and nothing else.. I had taken Hindi as my second language in College, But never attended Classes. You will not believe when i say i did not know to or was not confident to ask someone's name in Hindi when i reallly had to communicate. That Particular day i really wished that had i learned Hindi in my college or school days, i wouldn't have had to suffer that much. Today i am in Bangalore. The language i live by is Hindi, Two Years back i was in Hyderabad, there too i survived by Hindi not Telugu or Kannada. and Six years in Dubai i could keep connected with Paki's, Afghani's and Bengalis with Little Urdu and Hindi, and Knowing Hindi i understand Multiple languages today. I can Understand Gujarathi, Bengali, Marathi and Many dialects. Really it is a handy language and to anyone who intends to live not just in their own state but travel around, hindi will be of real convenience . Private Reply to John Gancis Mar 11, 2009 6:02 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G my suspicion is that the TN MPs in parliment vote for schemes like this because they dont understand what it means. We went on an all india tour in college. One of our guys wanted to buy bananas and the train stopped at a station called Balharshah(the first hindi only speaking station i think on the chennai to delhi route). So this vendor was selling chey(6) for a rupee, my friend(and all of us around him) said we wanted char(4) for a rupee. the vendor emphatically saying hum che denge and us replying hum ko char chahiye....the train moved out of the platform with the vendor making no sale and having a dazed look. Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 11, 2009 6:16 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Mohan ..I have mingled with many people from West Bengal who speak Hindi in the Bong accent and since you may not be able to differentiate between Hindi and Bengali (Pardon me if I call a spade a spade) you think they speak Bengali.Hindi 'Aaj' is pronounced as 'Oaj' likewise many hindi wodrs starting with 'aa' sound transform as 'Oa' in the paan chewing people from West Bengal. I have spent nearly 5 and half years in Kolkata travelling between Bhubaneshwar, Haldia and Tatanagar and hence I think I should know. Moreover, my interaction is with grassroot lever Bengalis who have learnt their Hindi from the Marwadis who have taken Kolkata as their second home. Now coming to SF(Sr) and his subsidies idea, are you not aware SF(Sr) about how much is spent on Hindi teaching scheme and how much freebies available to hindi learning people. Annadurai's main objection was based on the Government Policy to allow indians to write their UPSC and other governemnt job oriented written tests in Hindi or English and as his argument Annadurai took the case of South oriented people for whom Hindi is a learning language and for north oriented people for whom Hindi is a mother toungue,. That made Government to segragate states into A,B. and C grade for Hindi Teaching scheme and subsidies were allotted more for those from C grade where the south states were clustered and some other handicaps were also provided for them to get the benefit arising out of learning Hindi. Whatever is said and done, learning Hindi is very helpful when you are out of Tamilnadu like John Gancis has described his experience. Why should anyone have objections to learn a language which will help them to interact with 70% of other Indians, I am not able to understand. Ofcourse, it is a matter of fact that, each state has a different way of speaking Hindi. In Mumbai it is 'Tere Mere Sapne' sort of Hindi where 'Thu' 'Kyoonre' 'AapuN' sort of hindi language is used which I find even though sounding disrespectful but very friendly but if go further north, you will find even the children being addressed as 'Aap' respectuly and even a cab driver on New Delhi will use respectful words as 'haanji' unlike to our chennai Autowalas who start their dialect with 'saavugralkki' Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 11, 2009 6:36 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan No one would object to the idea of learning a language other than English or Mother tongue if its left to his choice instead of forcing it on them. During Anna's period the Congress Govt at central was trying to do that so those problems. Now we understand the necessity to be multi lingual and not necessarily only three languages, we try to learn as any languages as possible. We try to teach our children atleast 3 languages. We let our kids to select Frech at schools as second language. The subsidies for Hindi learning have vanished nowadays or being hidden by the corrupt. Iam not able to find the free prathmic classes which used to be the first place where we used to learn hindi. These classes have vanished and in those places costly hindi tutorials have come up. More than prathmic classes where written and reading skills are developed I wish speaking and listening skills be developed for more practical usage. I wish to tell all my Tamilians still in the process of building their career, leran Hindi and come out of TN where you can get more salary than what you get in TN, whatever may be your domain - IT/Manufaturing/Construction..... Like we learn English to earn more in UK and US, its a must that we have to learn Hindi to earn more in India out of TN. With Hindi knowledge, being in any place in India for a week or so you can communicate to the locals and also can learn the local language easily. Kannada and Telegu have more sanskrit(Hindi) words and you can with Tamil and Hindi knowledge you can understand these 2 south indian languages more easily... Learn Hindi. Make your kids to Learn Hindi. But never forget your mother tongue....whether it be Tamil/Bengali/Hindi/English.... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 11, 2009 7:40 am Hindi nahin maloom # SOEB FATEHI let us learn C++ and java instead . . . . Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI Mar 11, 2009 8:49 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh LK(g), fNekna bandh karo, Bangalion ke baare mein aapko kuchh bhi maloom nahi! Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 11, 2009 8:54 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar chalo theek hai..now LK(g) chupppppppppppppp Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 11, 2009 9:26 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar chalo theek hai..now LK(g) chupppppppppppppp Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 11, 2009 9:58 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan LK(G) and Mr.BG Hindi nahin maloom Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 11, 2009 10:43 am re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Curiosity is the mother of learning! Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 11, 2009 10:50 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # T P Rajmanohar Thanks. Wonderful writing. I agree Hindi has different ways of being spoken. In the British days all the Briishers knew Hindustani( mixture of Hindi and Urdu). I learnt a lot of my Hindi listening to Hindi film songs, seeing Hindi films and talking with my classmates in Hindi. Private Reply to T P Rajmanohar Mar 11, 2009 10:50 am re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Wellsaid, BG Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 11, 2009 10:58 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan Here its looking like forcing and not kindling the curiosity. Forcing gets back bashing which happened during Anna's period. Because you people expect us the learn things since you use it...And we revert back saying we can very well exist without learning Hindi.....and even successfully..... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 11, 2009 12:58 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban In TNadu also you can mange with hindi at many places and ofcourse the illiterate speak english called butler english traditionally spoken by cooks or attendants of white masters during colonial period.Buttlerish hindi,telugu,tamil,kannada ,etc,etc, are spoken by many even now.It is of great help to getover the communication barrier.But going to a foreign country you need to learn the local language compulsorily.If You say you managed well in arab countries with out knowing arabic it obviously means you would have done better with native tongue.Learning Arabic would have made a huge difference in communication alright and the added rapport you would strike instantly. Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 11, 2009 7:03 pm Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Surprisingly, in Chennai I have found quite a few traffic policemen speaking quite good Hindi, but no English. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 11, 2009 7:37 pm re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep @ sf - On a very personal note... Why in the hell are you feeling trifled / stifled here!? No. Not one single, genuine user of this forum is trying to trifle you or any non-hindi speaker nor or they deriving any ill-gotten pleasure on stepping on your little toe! FYI - I was born brought up schooling in Chennai / Trichy / Madurai - studied Engg. in Tumkur & settled in B'lore. This wee bit of additional exposure has 'opened' my eyes a bit wider. I sincerely miss not experiencing the bigger part of India (have seen a wider part of the world though!) I am in 'open' admiration of ppl. who have seen wider to talk longer... They bring color and depth to a conversation... Audaciously I may add...(old saying albeit) The frog thinks the well (world) is 5'X 5'X 5'............. Cheers! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 11, 2009 7:38 pm re: Hindi nahin maloom # Mohan G Lavanya, I am refering to non calcutta bengalis and specifically people who migrated from Bangladesh after partition(my ex boss moved with family in the 70s he grew up in chittagong). In fact i have a bong collegue now who understands but does not speak hindi(but can manage). All i was saying is its not just tamils who cant speak hindi there are others....Bengal was an easy example coz i know in real life people who dont speak hindi(Including Mr Bhupesh Gupta CPI...wonder how your theory can explain that....) Private Reply to Mohan G Mar 11, 2009 8:03 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan //On a very personal note... Why in the hell are you feeling trifled / stifled here!? No. Not one single, genuine user of this forum is trying to trifle you or any non-hindi speaker nor or they deriving any ill-gotten pleasure on stepping on your little toe CP If you are really genuine in your accusation/want to point my mistake to come out with a specifically mentioned personal note, can you mention me what made you to think that I felt trifled/stifled. When some is discussing that we dont know hindi and when someone gives out a comment in Hindi and when asked for the meaning again gives out a mocking statement in unison does that not amount to trifling or stifling..... Again I dont know how come you talk on behalf of others or support others here often. I dont know how come you come out so strongly on behalf of all here in this community to certify everyone here against basic human nature. From my POV I can easily single out some explicit characters roaming here......which is very common in every forums.. If you wish take sides well and good and that doesnt mean you have to say that Iam wrong dear...Iam not an intellect to handle my feelings and I vent out my feelings spontaneously which has done lot of good to my character and my health a lot again. I believe suppression of thoughts poisons your character and health... FYI I was a resident of Karnataka for 7 years and was driven on the road by Karnataka mob twice just because Iam a tamilian. How do u want me to admire that language after that. Iam not so much broad minded like you intellects to love someone after being hit by him. Iam a normal human not Gandhi nor Buddha nor Christ dear. Again FYI you should read my previous post in this same thread where I had written the importance of learning Hindi, but when it is forced on us by any means Iam bound to revolt....Hope you understand the meaning of revolting...... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 11, 2009 8:43 pm re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep Let me again regurgitate what I wrote earlier in this thread... IMHO - Language is for 'Communication' & 'Literature' is for the learned puritans! No human being can dictate or decide how I (you) as an individual (as a person) need to communicate... The body language is more powerful than the vocal vocabulary! The animosity / amity can be easily perceived sans language just by physical / psychological posturing!!! "Literature" - It is a holy grail; I leave it to the 'Learned' as territory to trodden at your peril! Each and every 'Language' has it's treasures - albeit very sacred to the 'keepers' of the treasure! Each and every 'Culture' has it's roots - which they like to cherish and preserve!! Gears & Clutches! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 11, 2009 9:58 pm re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban CP, cheers !I like what you write even when i am left clutching my foot !!!!! But the truth is each language widens of our circle of communication and which is to be enjoyed. Two Cheers to CP!!!!!!!!!!! Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 12, 2009 4:59 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar SF (Jr) mentioned "When some is discussing that we dont know hindi and when someone gives out a comment in Hindi and when asked for the meaning again gives out a mocking statement in unison does that not amount to trifling or stifling....." SF(Jr) ..Don't take things too seriously yaar..'LK(g) Chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup...can't you understand/ Namba kooda vaayile vechundu kozhandaikkku 'chup' (silence) sollarathillaya? See..SF(Jr) Sometimes we all use tamil language in the thread (which is not undertandable to BG, SF and some others too ..sometimes I do it intentionally just that they should not understand is another thing) because in any other language what we want to say won't sound better.. that is not mocking anyone na? Like our Vikramaaditya Padmania said 'Peter ottarathu thaan best' Take things casually yaar..Life is fun and don't spoil it by thnking otherwise. WE ALL including BG, SF(Sr) admires you for certain qualities and deplores you for certain other qualities. Even it is the same for LK(g) ..When someone deplores me, I take it that I have crossed the 'Lakshman Rekha' and say sorry and become 'Chuuup' only on that issue. Why do make anyone unhappy when Sekar Narikkutty (ooopppppppppppps) Narasimhamoorthy has given you 40 gospels to live happily and make others happy. LK(g) has serious thoughts to convey once in a while ... Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 5:19 am re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=1020824&confid=660 14. Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does.... Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 12, 2009 6:13 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar tooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad yaar,, I write soooooooooomuch breaking my head and heart, and he just brushes it with ' Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does....' sob sob..(I know this also won't be taken seriously by SME'ss) Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 6:29 am re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan LK(G) To be bit realistic, doesnt it sound ridiculous to say something purposefully in this thread just against the basis of the thread....it really hurts and that is what I want to tell you people. I had already told here no worries Iam not a person who takes it to the heart, but it will not be stop me from reverting back with replies which I think is correct as you people think what you do is justified..... Being in Mumbai I have been among more hostile crowds where I had many times singled out for my non-hindi speaking nature. This is nothing.... Do you want to say that genuinely you dont get hurt when someone during a conversation purposefully starts conversing in a language which is alien to you and still you want to call that person as good. I cant accept that character... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 12, 2009 8:28 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Number 14 is a very useful advice. One needs to understand that in the global scheme of things, one is just a bit player. One need not understand or jump into everything, specially when it is a dialogue between two other people. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 12, 2009 8:47 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Kanchana Ravichandran ah ha I remember Senthil accused me not so long ago of doing jus that once! Without mentioning that he wanted LR to reply to his posting, and I (in all my innocence) replied and got the rudest shock when he accused me of suddenly jumping in and replying! And as usual I had to defend my action saying that if he wanted LK to reply and not anyone else, he got to mention it clearly. Anyway, in a public forum anyone who wants to reply to anyone's posting or reply can do so and it is still ethical and correct. Hurting or abusing another in public is a big No No no matter what the provocation. It is better to jus ignore it and u and the world r in peace! cheers Private Reply to Kanchana Ravichandran Mar 12, 2009 8:58 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan KR Can you give me a reference to the thread so that I can go through it before I can give a reply on this. For I never had been rude unless I was treated rudely... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 12, 2009 9:07 am re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar KR/BG ..Don't take the name of LK(g) so much. I am getting hiccups after hiccups and even Maazaa lovingly offered by the canteenwala has not helped me. PS:: Do anyone of you know why the first name 'maza' was changed to 'maaza'? Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 9:45 am re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Kanchana Ravichandran Senthil - FYI http://www.ryze.com/posttopic.php?topicid=1015586&confid=660 (for fear that u may overlook what I meant) Smile Forever @Lk(G) Thanks for your support. But being a critic to the core, what to do everything appears on the wrong side for me. I was answering keeping LK(G) in mind but Kanchana came in middle(who is comparatively a serious person). All in the game. and my reply - Kanchana Ravichandran Ah ha Senthil - there u r at it again! Maybe if u were jus directing it at LK u got to mention that in brackets so that the likes of me will not reply. And for your info - am not a "serious person". People who know me would prefer to call me as a "she is a jolly good fellowe" Private Reply to Kanchana Ravichandran Mar 12, 2009 10:02 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh LK(g), do not drink too much Maaza, switch to Frootie! As a platformwasi, you must not discriminate. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 12, 2009 10:49 am re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan KR Though after me reading through the mentioned post and the contents pasted by you, Iam not able to recollect what I meant there. But anyhow Iam not shocked to hear that those words made you to feel the way you had mentioned it here. Wherein you had come with a more gentle reply at that time, but in contrast would have given me a better chance to explain myself at that time..... Anyhow no regrets.......... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 12, 2009 10:56 am re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar BG..you or any other CNK member have not answered my question.. Why the initial name of 'mazaa' was changed to 'Maaza' by the company? Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 11:39 am re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Must be numerology Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 12, 2009 12:02 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar No..it was for changed to improve the diminishing sales but why sales were diminishing ? now you reply... Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 12:19 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan LK(G) Following your footsteps Would the details depicted in this visual would have been the reason or what.. http://www.enjoymaaza.com/uk/eng/promotions/index/id/1 Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 12, 2009 12:28 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Kanchana Ravichandran Back to u Senthil! I jus mentioned this lil incident. It happens all the time to all of us - and if each of us react to it everytime then there will to be no end to it. I still treated it lightly but jus wanted u to know that sometimes such remarks in public forums is not too pleasant. I hope u understand what I am trying to say. U asked for the url and I had to really spend quite a long time to find it for u. And what I mentioned in this post was jus a reminder of our exchange in an earlier post. So lets jus enjoy this rocking CNK and have a wonderful time jus taking care not to hurt others but to entertain! Cheers Private Reply to Kanchana Ravichandran Mar 12, 2009 12:29 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan as with the words mazaa is the word that means happiness while maaza I dont know such a word but claimed by the promoters of maaza that this means enjoy. Is it true LK(G) Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 12, 2009 12:46 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Senthil SF you are getting nearer to the clue. But not yet..good visual but taking time to open and sound not coming properly. May be the problem with my Laptop too.. Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 12:59 pm Hindi nahin maloom # s venkatesan "Hindi nahin maloom" maaza maybe becoz, "maa" mother spreads happiness all the time............. Private Reply to s venkatesan Mar 12, 2009 1:11 pm re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Venkatesan your explanation for the present name 'maaza' can be accepted but the question is why the earlier name 'Mazaa' was changed.. Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 1:14 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Kanchana Ravichandran Its for legal reasons. Private Reply to Kanchana Ravichandran Mar 12, 2009 1:36 pm re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar no KR..chalo let me tell the reason.. see this happened in Mumbai and other some villages where the small shops and paanwaalas (betel nut shopowners) sell the softdrinks. When the name was 'mazaa' the sales were not as expected and marketing survey's were conducted and even free samples were given. During the survey, though everyone liked the taste of drink, purchase of mazaa by womenfolk were almost 'Nil' as compared to the men buying the drink from the shopkeepers. Again after lot of market surveys, ladies were hesitating to go and ask the shopkeeper 'mazaa deo' (in colochial terms 'mazaa' or 'majaa' had the meaning of 'jalsa') and that is why ladies were hesitating . Hence the name was changed to 'Maaza'. Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 12, 2009 1:48 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan KR I didnt mean to be rude in anyway at that answer which you mentioned. I didnt understand why it appeared rude to you. The way you see me matters a lot. think everyone here have come to the perspective that Senthil is a rude guy. Not an issue...All the answers I gave there was in total lighter sense Again I say to you Iam not Buddha nor Christ nor Gandhi to be cool when someone hurts me intentionally. Hope you can read the rational behind this statement. Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 12, 2009 2:51 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Ganesh Ram The Hindi pundit in me is asking, shouldn't the title be "Hindi mAlum Nahin"? Private Reply to Ganesh Ram Mar 15, 2009 6:59 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep IMHO... Language cannot afford to be a barrier for communication! You call your pet dog 'Tiger' and say 'Sit' - I guess it responds to your command; and does not bark asking you to bark in familiar language!? Language be damned - we are the worst communicators among the living species!! Disclaimer: This is my 'personal' opinion and intended to be derogatory only upon myself! Many Cheers! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 16, 2009 2:19 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan //Disclaimer: This is my 'personal' opinion and intended to be derogatory only upon myself! What a humble person................Hope everyone will applaud this attitude of CP.... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 16, 2009 2:43 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban WoW!!!! CP!!! pretty goodu inney!!! As a pathological animal lover ,especially dogs(my neighboue Mohan gopalakrishnan has a visceral hatred towards them and would like to shoot me & dogs ) , I wish to adopt the universal barking language of dogs to communicate with CP & all ,even if they/ he feels we are worst communicators !!! But sometimes a pronounced silence does communicate better than a thousand million words.We have all heard the sounds of silence (simon/garfunkel) to appreciate the same. I have sometimes communicated my friendship with more smiles than all hi funda polyglot language skills to people!!! CP summa appidi poddu inney!!!!Ellarum disclaimer specialist aayyudu vanngaa!!! VAAREE! VAA! Single cheer to CP (old monk)& to all glenfiddichian ishtyle! Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 16, 2009 5:48 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh As communication experts say, communication is 55% body language (which includes gestures), 38% tone of the voice and only 7% the words. As a consequence, face to face communication can take place (albeit with some difficulty) in most cases even if the two persons do not speak each other's language. But when it comes to the written word, letters, e-mails, internet chat or posts etc. it is the words which have to carry the entire essence of the communication, which is a tough task. So, one has to be very precise in the use of the language and ensure that the intended recepient has fully understood not only the words, but also the intent behind the words (which normally the tone and the body language conveys in a face to face conversation). If that does not happen, the communication is a failure and the communicator is to blame for that. That is probably why emoticons have been invented in today's e-mail / internet based conversations. These somewhat fill the gaps left by the absence of body language and tone. Therefore, one has to be very careful in choosing words in a public forum or even in one to one written conversation so as not to cheese off other people. Saying later that these were not one's intentions, is useless and a lame excuse. It is instead more gracious to accept the responsibility and apologise with genuine intent. Cheers! Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 16, 2009 5:49 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Slowly this board is catching the LK(g) language and 'ishtyle' and disclaimer mannerisms. Hope the 'father of the board' has got so worried and left India to land up in 'Koovam'. Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 16, 2009 5:54 am re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar BG ..Your quota of lecture for today is over.. athukkaga 'kovama koovathile kudhikkakoodathu' (translation: don;t get angry and jump in Koovam river') Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 16, 2009 5:54 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Why do you 'hope' for such a thing? Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 16, 2009 12:37 pm re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep 'Barking dogs seldom bite' illey!? PR - A small disclaimer is better than crass misinterpretation na!? BG - Point well emphasized... Sadly communication is more often taken for granted and seldom taught even at schools! The emphasis has predominantly been in the language and grammar with little or no impetus on the delivery and the articulation of the message!! Cheers! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 16, 2009 12:48 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan CP The learning curve should be in this order Listening Speaking Reading Writing But here we know how it is now and then where will you have communication skills.... The predecessors of Smileys were Please, Kindly, Sorry, Thank you, Humble, Regards..... and these words are seldom found in any kind of written communication today be it hand written or electronically typed... Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 16, 2009 3:41 pm re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep Sf - Communication is not a 'Fire & Forget' missile... It is the expression of an idea or thought that is comprehensible (understandable) to the listener, as clearly and cohesively as stated by the Speaker (writer, etc.). Most often, "We expect 'others' to automatically understand" what we are trying to say! Therein lies the problem!! Language is a tool for communication (Not the means). Cheers! CP PS: It is definitely more complex than stated as above! Otherwise all of us would be excellent communicators!! Leave alone dobakoors, Peters & Munniswamy's etc..... Cheers again & again! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 16, 2009 3:44 pm re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep Sf - Not intended to sound as an old college lecturer! Late Disclaimer please... :) CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 16, 2009 4:49 pm re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Lavanya Karalkar Now this topic can be changed to 'Communication nahin maaloom' na? SF( JR)..Just tell me why we need 'kindly, please, excuseme, thank you and all in the family., I prefer machi language to 'Nandri' language.. You wont believe even with Laloo I speak 'AapaN dekhega' or 'tere mere sapne' as it is called in Mumbai language. It is another matter, he is too far to listen to that., Private Reply to Lavanya Karalkar Mar 16, 2009 6:17 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Senthil Nathan LK(G) communication in written form is mostly practised officially and rarely in a family And even in relationship, when writing is used for communicating, you have to have that extra spice to express your feeligns. dear, love, sweety, hey, beauty are some of the words which are used and which makes a love letter more memorable. And even in this era of sms a love letter still is holding its place just for this reputation of the words used.. Private Reply to Senthil Nathan Mar 16, 2009 6:56 pm re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep Relatives are the relatively closer people... I have 2 sisters whom I have not seen eye to eye since 1995! Yet I have more relatives than many! God Bless!! Cheers! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 17, 2009 10:23 am Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Relatively speaking, the number of 'close' relatives is directly related to the money in your bank. Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 17, 2009 11:27 am Hindi nahin maloom # sujatha suresh SF, heard a joke the other day, A young man saw an elderly couple speaking with a lot of affection. He found the Old man always refering His wife as, sweeeeetie, Honey, pumpkins etc. Curiosity got the better of the young man and once the old lady turned away he whispered into the old mans' ears, "How come you still Love her so much?"...the old man whispered back,"Son past few years I cant recall her name ...." CP, sitting next to each other also, many can't see eye to eye!C'est La Vie! SS Private Reply to sujatha suresh Mar 17, 2009 11:40 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh Can Amitabh and Jaya bachchan see eye to eye when they are standing? Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 17, 2009 11:48 am re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban Kyo cera cera! We can always mend & repair the relationships if possible otherwise what will be will be!!! CP,I am also stuck in lot of relationship including those with close blood(y)relatives with whom I don't see eye to eye on many things!? Still if we care to speak the universal language of peaceful co-existence then we need not bother about anything. Life had been a long march where we never needed any approval from others to realize our individual self!!!!!! Mahatma said the greatest service you can do to your fellow being is not to harm them!! Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Mar 17, 2009 12:05 pm re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Charles Pradeep BG - Jaya would be looking up to Amitabh and Amitabh would be looking down upon her! Cheers! CP Private Reply to Charles Pradeep Mar 17, 2009 12:16 pm re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # Basab Ghosh How dare Amitabh look down upon Jaya? After all, she is a Rajya Sabha MP and a friend of Amar Singh! Private Reply to Basab Ghosh Mar 17, 2009 12:20 pm re: re: re: re: Hindi nahin maloom # padmanabhan ramasubban still discussing lambuji and chottu!!!!!!!!!! Private Reply to padmanabhan ramasubban Previous Topic | Next Topic | Topics Back to Chennai Network

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