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| | The Legal Needs Network is not currently active and cannot accept new posts | | Paper-work | Views: 515 | | Nov 14, 2007 5:32 am | | Paper-work | # |
Dhara Kothari | | Hi,
Need some official paperwork done through a lawyer, know anyone?
Also why do lawyers charge differently for the same work to different clients based on their own analysis? How come there are no fixed charges for specific minor work like drawing up legal papers or official templates?
Dhara
http://whitedrums.comPrivate Reply to Dhara Kothari | | Nov 14, 2007 9:21 am | | re: Paper-work | # | 
Ruchira Gupta | | Please give details about the nature of papaerwork needs to be done.
RuchiraPrivate Reply to Ruchira Gupta | | Nov 14, 2007 1:20 pm | | re: Paper-work | # | 
Christina Rathnakar | | Lawyers are professionals having various levels of experience and expertise, we are not dealing in commodities as it were...where a fixed price is often quoted, but there is a variation in the sale price of commodities too. For example, if you buy rice , there are different varieties of rice and the rates for the same differ...
A senior counsel/lawyer can charge you more than a Junior lawyer, simply because the senior lawyer has many years of experience along with the expertise. Sometimes a Junior lawyer will charge more simply because he has specialised in a given area of practise or is highly qualified for the same.
Therefore there are no fixed rates for services rendered by lawyers.
Trust this helps you.Private Reply to Christina Rathnakar | | Nov 14, 2007 2:50 pm | | re: re: Paper-work | # |
Dhara Kothari | | Thanks Christina for that info, am happy to know lawyers like you, otherwise, you know better than me how they can be...
Dhara :)Private Reply to Dhara Kothari | | Nov 14, 2007 6:49 pm | | re: Paper-work | # | 
Jayant Tewari, OutSourced CFO | | Just my two bits worth ...
I believe lawyers either fail to or refuse to, due to the paucity of time, understand the basic business of the client. Their drafting is so caught up in legalese and downside protection that it becomes largely unimplementable from a business perspective. This is specially true for commercial business contracts and agreements.
My own experience has been to use lawyers as sounding boards or vetting agents - prepare the draft contracts / agreements myself and get it vetted by a lawyer to ensure that we haven't missed out anything or agreed to something which could have implications hitherto not considered.
As Service Providers from India, we are normally on the back-foot in terms of contract negotiation anyway - the clients tend to throw the book at us and we have negligible power to negotiate. In such a situation, lawyers who don't understand the business are quite mis-placed to provide both direction and advice ...
Moral of the story .... get your CFO to do his job and get his output vetted by a lawyer .... if you don't have a CFO, call me ....Private Reply to Jayant Tewari, OutSourced CFO | | Nov 15, 2007 5:46 am | | re: re: Paper-work | # |
Ruchira Gupta | | Hi Jayant,
Your views appear to be contradictory. If the lawyer doesnt know or understand the business, he will not be in a position to vet your contract in the right perspective. Private Reply to Ruchira Gupta | | Nov 15, 2007 6:16 am | | re: Paper-work | # |
Amal Tripathi | | You can contact Lawyer Ms usha Tiwari through email id tripathiamal@hotmail.com. She is from Mumbai Private Reply to Amal Tripathi | | Nov 18, 2007 4:19 pm | | re: re: Paper-work | # | 
Vijay Nair | | Jayant,
Promoting your business (which is not in line with the policy of this network) may still be considered acceptable. However, please do not be so single dimensional when you speak about professionals.
I guess you get a drift of what I mean....Private Reply to Vijay Nair | | Dec 04, 2007 1:07 am | | re: re: Paper-work | # | 
SOEB FATEHI | | dear Amal Tripathi Ji . . . is your post connected with Dhara's thread? Private Reply to SOEB FATEHI | | Dec 04, 2007 9:33 am | | re: re: re: Paper-work | # |
Jayant Tewari, OutSourced CFO | | Vijay, Thanks for your inputs .... but I've just communicated my experience over the last 15 years after interacting with lawyers from the best of firms. They do a great job of looking at legal terminology and giving advice to best protect the client's interest. Unfortunately, as small Indian companies we rarely have the authority to win the legal argument, howsoever sound it may be. That's when the lawyers tend to throw up their hands, and the client must protect himself using the options available in the execution of the deliverable rather than through the contract. Which is where the lawyers, taking a documentary view, are unable to guide us. I wasn't really promoting myself, just pointing out that the best advice to do this comes from the CFO or anyone who has an indepth understanding of the business and the deliverables itself. If the CFO can't bring about this protection, no one can.
I have the greatest respect for the lawyers on this forum, but also know what our expectations from them can be.
All the best ...Private Reply to Jayant Tewari, OutSourced CFO | | Dec 05, 2007 8:03 am | | re: re: re: re: Paper-work | # | 
Ehtesham Ahmed (Suhail) | | if a lawyer cannot understand his client's business and provide legal solutions for the business then there is no point being such a lawyer or hiring such a lawyer.A lawyer cannot provide any service to a cleint without understanding the business.So cant really say that the CFO can step into the shoes of a lawyer and do the needful since the vice versa is not possible.
A plumber cannot do the work of a electrcian and vice versa howsoever well equipped.
It's better lawyers do their work and CFO's theirs and not tread on the other's path.
Only when a contract lands up in court do you understand the importance of the good,relevant legal terminology and the importance of legal counsel.
Ehetesham Ahmed
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